The Tucker Carlson Vladimir Putin Interview

[video=youtube_share;fOCWBhuDdDo]https://youtu.be/fOCWBhuDdDo[/video]

I suggest starting after the Russia history lesson, due to the lenght of the video. ([B]One of the top comments[/B]: "Imagine Biden giving an uninterrupted history of America for 30 minutes." I would LOVE to see that.)

[URL="https://twitter.com/w_terrence/status/1755749631789514962"][B]Here's the CNN Vladimyr Zelenski interview[/B][/URL]. (For Blade, Off the Court, Axe, RRR3, etc.)

And here's the mainstream media meltdown, and overall meltdown of Tucker Carlsen interviewing Vladimir Putin. Including calls to prevent Tucker from reentering the United Stats, and to be sanctioned by the European Union.

[video=youtube_share;TpeSVOwys6M]https://youtu.be/TpeSVOwys6M[/video]

Why don't you all just move to Russia?

Been waiting for this

Putin must trust Tucker so much the table in between them is so small. :oldlol:

[QUOTE=jstern;14882759]
[URL="https://twitter.com/w_terrence/status/1755749631789514962"][B]Here's the CNN Vladimyr Zelenski interview[/B][/URL]. (For Blade, Off the Court, Axe, RRR3, etc.)
[/QUOTE]
Apparently heavily edited. Why the hell it zooms so closely? :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=jstern;14882759][video=youtube_share;fOCWBhuDdDo]https://youtu.be/fOCWBhuDdDo[/video]

I suggest starting after the Russia history lesson, due to the lenght of the video. ([B]One of the top comments[/B]: "Imagine Biden giving an uninterrupted history of America for 30 minutes." I would LOVE to see that.)

[URL="https://twitter.com/w_terrence/status/1755749631789514962"][B]Here's the CNN Vladimyr Zelenski interview[/B][/URL]. (For Blade, Off the Court, Axe, RRR3, etc.)

And here's the mainstream media meltdown, and overall meltdown of Tucker Carlsen interviewing Vladimir Putin. Including calls to prevent Tucker from reentering the United Stats, and to be sanctioned by the European Union.

[video=youtube_share;TpeSVOwys6M]https://youtu.be/TpeSVOwys6M[/video][/QUOTE]

Great share.

Sadly the braindead left bots here will shriek. How can you look at demented biden alongside Putin. Anyone who voted for Biden should be ashamed of themselves.

Trump - like it or not - can hold audience with other leaders. Biden seriously would be put in a home but for his handlers and even with them, he has days where he should be in a hospital mental ward to get help.

Putin is deluded completely... He claimed that Poland assisted the Nazis in 1939? And then completely forgots over the fact that the Soviet union cooperated with the Nazis to split Poland from both sides? so many bad takes in this shitshow and tucker is the main clown here.."journalist"

Im only halfway through and its pretty much what I expected. Same ol putin talking about 1k year ago we wuz kangs and shit therefore ukraine belongs to us. Oh and they are nazis while ilyin who is a state hero in russia is wholesome totally not a russian fascist. And btw they started it were just friendly neighbor whos afraid of being attacked.

It's so weird to see all of these people on the right that have become fans of a tyrant dictator.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14882820]It's so weird to see all of these people on the right that have become fans of a tyrant dictator.[/QUOTE]

^ Says the guy who supported mandatory vaccinations and 10-20 year jail sentences for capitol protestors who didn't even step foot into the building.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14882820]It's so weird to see all of these people on the right that have become fans of a tyrant dictator.[/QUOTE]

it's not about that. it's about putting both sides of the story out there and allowing the american people to utilize that information in order to figure the truth of the matter out for themselves. that doesn't mean you have to believe or like what putin says.

the media in our country doesn't do their job - all they do is regurgitate whatever they hear from our government as if it's truth, especially when it comes to war. they fawn over zelensky. they ignore historical context, great power politics and geopolitical dynamics. it's always as simple as "putin invaded a sovereign country. putin is the aggressor" programming americans to do things like swap their american flag on their porches out for a ukrainian one.

literally nothing bad can come out of conducting this interview. it can only benefit americans. as long as americans keep an open mind and turn off "entertainment tonight" for one night, anyway.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14882820]It's so weird to see all of these people on the right that have become fans of a tyrant dictator.[/QUOTE]

It's all in the name of tribal politics. They root for Russia because libs put Ukraine flags next to their twitter names.

That is basically a summery of why they support Trump. To troll liberals. All they care about is sticking it to the libs.

[QUOTE=diamenz;14882837]it's not about that. it's about putting both sides of the story out there and allowing the american people to utilize that information in order to figure the truth of the matter out for themselves. that doesn't mean you have to believe or like what putin says.

the media in our country doesn't do their job - all they do is regurgitate whatever they hear from our government as if it's truth, especially when it comes to war. they fawn over zelensky. they ignore historical context, great power politics and geopolitical dynamics. it's always as simple as "putin invaded a sovereign country. putin is the aggressor" programming americans to do things like swap their american flag on their porches out for a ukrainian one.

literally nothing bad can come out of conducting this interview. it can only benefit americans. as long as americans keep an open mind and turn off "entertainment tonight" for one night, anyway.[/QUOTE]

Russia IS the aggressor. Unprovoked.

I mean almost all of the US agrees that us invading Iraq was wrong, and Saddam was actually a horrible dictator. But now we are open to hearing out Putin and excusing his actions?

[QUOTE=Off the Court;14882839]Russia IS the aggressor. Unprovoked.

[/QUOTE]

there's truth to that but it's really not that simple.

[QUOTE=Baller234;14882832]^ Says the guy who supported mandatory vaccinations and 10-20 year jail sentences for capitol protestors who didn't even step foot into the building.[/QUOTE]
None of that is true but I suppose the truth doesn't matter to a stupid asshole.

[QUOTE=diamenz;14882837]it's not about that. it's about putting both sides of the story out there[/QUOTE]A Russian citizen would get thrown in jail or killed for doing that.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14882845]A Russian citizen would get thrown in jail or killed for doing that.[/QUOTE]

good thing we're americans.

[QUOTE=diamenz;14882837]it's not about that. it's about putting both sides of the story out there and allowing the american people to utilize that information in order to figure the truth of the matter out for themselves. that doesn't mean you have to believe or like what putin says.

the media in our country doesn't do their job - all they do is regurgitate whatever they hear from our government as if it's truth, especially when it comes to war. they fawn over zelensky. they ignore historical context, great power politics and geopolitical dynamics. it's always as simple as "putin invaded a sovereign country. putin is the aggressor" programming americans to do things like swap their american flag on their porches out for a ukrainian one.

literally nothing bad can come out of conducting this interview. it can only benefit americans. as long as americans keep an open mind and turn off "entertainment tonight" for one night, anyway.[/QUOTE]

Putin's story is more like "1000 years ago, Russia were powerful and united.... :blah , thus Ukraine and every other countries that used to be under USSR should return to us."

Yeah he is still mentioning USSR often in the interview. Clearly, his ambition is to unify the USSR at all cost before he croaks.

Still the main reason Putin started the Ukrainian war was Nazi accusation but now it has been shifted to Ukraine trying to join NATO. He will continue to shift the goal post as many times as he wants to permanently take Ukraine territories.

[QUOTE=BurningHammer;14882853]Putin's story is more like "1000 years ago, Russia were powerful and united.... :blah , thus Ukraine and every other countries that used to be under USSR should return to us."

Yeah he is still mentioning USSR often in the interview. Clearly, his ambition is to unify the USSR at all cost before he croaks.

Still the main reason Putin started the Ukrainian war was Nazi accusation but now it has been shifted to Ukraine trying to join NATO. He will continue to shift the goal post as many times as he wants to permanently take Ukraine territories.[/QUOTE]

whether or not putin has ideological dreams of recreating the soviet empire is irrelevant. what's relevant is whether he will actually take action in doing so. a war with the collective west is a war that russia would not win. putin knows this. russia has neither the military might nor the economic foundation to pull off such a large-scale invasion of eastern europe. it would be an absolute blunder of a move and would ensure the destruction of russia or at the very least, forced regime change in moscow.

to address your second point, there are a number of factors that led up to this crisis and ultimately the invasion of ukraine. the leading cause of which is nato expansion as you mentioned but to a lesser extent eu expansion. there are also secondary causes such as the orange revolution, our backing of it, and ultimately the 2014 us-backed coup in ukraine to overthrow their democratically-elected pro-russian president... which we all know was the last straw that sparked this conflict and led to the invasion of crimea and today, ukraine.

so the invasion of ukraine should have come as no surprise and certainly isn't as simple as saying putin is the aggressor and that the invasion was unprovoked. going back decades, russian leaders have made clear that they would not stand idly by while their strategically-important neighbor turned into a western bastion. this is how great powers act. imagine if china had built a military alliance the size and scale of nato and tried to include canada and mexico in it. do you think washington would tolerate something like that?

there's a lot more to this than meets the eye... or at least a lot more than what the us media lays on the table and what the government shoves down your throat. that's why i said that nothing bad can come of this interview. it doesn't excuse putin's actions nor does it take his side - it only provides russia's side of the story to amercans who may otherwise remain clueless.

[QUOTE=diamenz;14882879]whether or not putin has ideological dreams of recreating the soviet empire is irrelevant. what's relevant is whether he will actually take action in doing so. a war with the collective west is a war that russia would not win. putin knows this. russia has neither the military might nor the economic foundation to pull off such a large-scale invasion of eastern europe. it would be an absolute blunder of a move and would ensure the destruction of russia or at the very least, forced regime change in moscow.

to address your second point, there are a number of factors that led up to this crisis and ultimately the invasion of ukraine. the leading cause of which is nato expansion as you mentioned but to a lesser extent eu expansion. there are also secondary causes such as the orange revolution, our backing of it, and ultimately the 2014 us-backed coup in ukraine to overthrow their democratically-elected pro-russian president... which we all know was the last straw that sparked this conflict and led to the invasion of crimea and today, ukraine.

so the invasion of ukraine should have come as no surprise and certainly isn't as simple as saying putin is the aggressor and that the invasion was unprovoked. going back decades, russian leaders have made clear that they would not stand idly by while their strategically-important neighbor turned into a western bastion. this is how great powers act. imagine if china had built a military alliance the size and scale of nato and tried to include canada and mexico in it. do you think washington would tolerate something like that?

there's a lot more to this than meets the eye... or at least a lot more than what the us media lays on the table and what the government shoves down your throat. that's why i said that nothing bad can come of this interview. it doesn't excuse putin's actions nor does it take his side - it only provides russia's side of the story to amercans who may otherwise remain clueless.[/QUOTE]

The funny thing in all this is that russia kind of lost ukraine some 10 years ago when population got fed up being friends with a broke ass country when the western world is all happy ,richer and more sane (trust me russia is crazy and it stems mostly from corruption) . After this war they hate russia more and trust them less so unless putin absorbs all ukraine they gonna keep spamming "join nato" button. They got this weird problem now frfr

[QUOTE=diamenz;14882837]it's not about that. it's about putting both sides of the story out there and allowing the american people to utilize that information in order to figure the truth of the matter out for themselves. that doesn't mean you have to believe or like what putin says.

the media in our country doesn't do their job - all they do is regurgitate whatever they hear from our government as if it's truth, especially when it comes to war. they fawn over zelensky. they ignore historical context, great power politics and geopolitical dynamics. it's always as simple as "putin invaded a sovereign country. putin is the aggressor" programming americans to do things like swap their american flag on their porches out for a ukrainian one.

literally nothing bad can come out of conducting this interview. it can only benefit americans. as long as americans keep an open mind and turn off "entertainment tonight" for one night, anyway.[/QUOTE]

So you are 100% buying every word Colonel putin says?

[QUOTE=diamenz;14882879]whether or not putin has ideological dreams of recreating the soviet empire is irrelevant. what's relevant is whether he will actually take action in doing so. a war with the collective west is a war that russia would not win. putin knows this. russia has neither the military might nor the economic foundation to pull off such a large-scale invasion of eastern europe. it would be an absolute blunder of a move and would ensure the destruction of russia or at the very least, forced regime change in moscow.

to address your second point, there are a number of factors that led up to this crisis and ultimately the invasion of ukraine. the leading cause of which is nato expansion as you mentioned but to a lesser extent eu expansion. there are also secondary causes such as the orange revolution, our backing of it, and ultimately the 2014 us-backed coup in ukraine to overthrow their democratically-elected pro-russian president... which we all know was the last straw that sparked this conflict and led to the invasion of crimea and today, ukraine.

so the invasion of ukraine should have come as no surprise and certainly isn't as simple as saying putin is the aggressor and that the invasion was unprovoked. going back decades, russian leaders have made clear that they would not stand idly by while their strategically-important neighbor turned into a western bastion. this is how great powers act. imagine if china had built a military alliance the size and scale of nato and tried to include canada and mexico in it. do you think washington would tolerate something like that?

there's a lot more to this than meets the eye... or at least a lot more than what the us media lays on the table and what the government shoves down your throat. that's why i said that nothing bad can come of this interview. it doesn't excuse putin's actions nor does it take his side - it only provides russia's side of the story to amercans who may otherwise remain clueless.[/QUOTE]

Why did Russia wait until 8 years to attack Ukraine if those were the reasons? Ukraine has been trying to join nato since Bush administration. The coup you mentioned was 2014. Neo-nazis didn't suddenly appear in Ukraine in 2022. Why did it take 8yrs if those were the reasons?

Russia also controls the pro-russia territories like donbas or w/e. What are they waiting around for if they had no intention of capturing all of Ukraine? What are they waiting for? (do you want me to answer that question?)

[QUOTE=bladefd;14882916]? (do you want me to answer that question?)[/QUOTE]

sure.

[QUOTE=bladefd;14882913]So you are 100% buying every word Colonel putin says?[/QUOTE]

my argument isn't based on "what putin says". my argument is based on history and geopolitics.

I wonder if God will accept the slaughter of innocent families after Putin gives him a history lesson.

[QUOTE=bladefd;14882913]So you are 100% buying every word Colonel putin says?[/QUOTE]

This is what you pulled from his post you illiterate moron?

He simply stating it's good to hear all sides of the story. Never once did he say he's believing any word of it but simply people speak with their biases/agenda.

You never fail to come off as a moron, even in a post with less than ten words in it.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14882820]It's so weird to see all of these people on the right that have become fans of a tyrant dictator.[/QUOTE]

They are scared.

[QUOTE=diamenz;14882922]sure.[/QUOTE]

US Election result. If the perfect idiot Trump wins, the Ukraine aid stops, and Putin can finish the job of overtaking Ukraine. If Biden wins, aid continues and then Putin has to decide (perhaps save face?)


I will re-post the questions you conveniently passed on. Why did Russia wait until 8 years to attack Ukraine if those were the reasons? Ukraine has been trying to join nato since Bush administration. The coup you mentioned was 2014. Neo-nazis didn't suddenly appear in Ukraine in 2022. Why did it take 8yrs if those were the reasons?

[QUOTE=rawimpact;14882929]This is what you pulled from his post you illiterate moron?

He simply stating it's good to hear all sides of the story. Never once did he say he's believing any word of it but simply people speak with their biases/agenda.

You never fail to come off as a moron, even in a post with less than ten words in it.[/QUOTE]

And one side is from Putin, dumbass. Can you believe anything Putin says and take at face value? Dude is an authoritarian tyrant serving like his 6th term and no intention of ever leaving office. Are you that clueless to not understand that? Ofc you are.

My questions also apply to you. Why did Russia wait until 8 years to attack Ukraine if those were the reasons? Ukraine has been trying to join nato since Bush administration. The coup you mentioned was 2014. Neo-nazis didn't suddenly appear in Ukraine in 2022. Why did it take 8yrs if those were the reasons?

[QUOTE=diamenz;14882840]there's truth to that but it's really not that simple.[/QUOTE]

It's pretty clear they were provoked, and did quite a lot to try and avoid war.

[QUOTE=bladefd;14883068]And one side is from Putin, dumbass. Can you believe anything Putin says and take at face value? Dude is an authoritarian tyrant serving like his 6th term and no intention of ever leaving office. Are you that clueless to not understand that? Ofc you are.

My questions also apply to you. Why did Russia wait until 8 years to attack Ukraine if those were the reasons? Ukraine has been trying to join nato since Bush administration. The coup you mentioned was 2014. Neo-nazis didn't suddenly appear in Ukraine in 2022. Why did it take 8yrs if those were the reasons?[/QUOTE]

Blade is the person who literally believed that Putin decided to invade the whole of Ukraine, completely out of the blue, after waking up one day. Completely shocking the world, in the same manner that the world would be shocked if Japan invaded Costa Rica out of the blue. So he cannot bring up any points that Putin made and counter it, just like Off the Court, he can only respond in CNN propaganda narratives. I love Blade, but this is why I can never have any discussions with him. It's a waste of time. He didn't even watch the interview.

[QUOTE=bladefd;14883067]why did russia invade ukraine when it did?[/QUOTE]

there's no short answer to this. for the sake of not sounding like a broken record, i'll skip past everything i've already covered in the ukraine thread, as well as this thread [I]and[/I] the 'joe biden is a terrible president' thread in the ofc forum and start off on the timeline at 2014.

*this ended up being a mess of a post and wasn't structured or articulated very well but whatever... everything is there including referenced links.*

so you would think that after the events of 2014, the us and it's allies would have either drew down, began to de-escalate or even consider taking nato enlargement completely off of the table... especially in regard to ukraine, right? wrong - they instead doubled-down.

first, nato began [URL="https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraine-military-success-years-of-nato-training-11649861339"]training the ukrainian military in 2014[/URL], totaling approximately 10k troops trained over the course of the next eight years. in 2017, the [URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/2017/12/20/trump-administration-approves-lethal-arms-sales-to-ukraine/"]trump admin provided kiev with "defensive weapons"[/URL] with other nato countries following suit. the military of ukraine then also started participating in joint military exercises with nato. in 2021, kiev and the us [URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/07/02/ukraine-us-military-black-sea/"]hosted "operation sea breeze"[/URL] as well as "operation trident 21", the former of which was a naval exercise aimed directly towards russia.

in addition to nato's efforts to turn the ukrainian military into a more formidable fighting force, there were political moves made as well - both on the side of the biden as well as the zelensky administrations. despite the fact that zelensky was elected in 2019 on a platform that was supposed to push towards solving the ongoing crisis, he out-of-the blue reversed course in 2021 and not only welcomed nato expansion, but turned to a hard-line approach against moscow. must have been talking to someone in washington or the uk, huh? now joe biden, who started his term in 2021, had already [URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/03/21/biden-crimea-russia-ukraine/"]been committed[/URL] in the long-term to bringing ukraine into nato and with his typical 'dc-brain' was uber-hawkish towards russia.

[URL="https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_185000.htm"]on june 14, 2021, nato issued the following statement:[/URL]

[QUOTE]We reiterate the decision made at the 2008 Bucharest Summit that Ukraine will become a member of the Alliance with the Membership Action Plan (MAP) as an integral part of the process; we reaffirm all elements of that decision, as well as subsequent decisions, including that each partner will be judged on its own merits. We stand firm in our support for Ukraine’s right to decide its own future and foreign policy course free from outside interference.[/QUOTE]

to top it all off and what really got the party started, in september of 2021, our brave hero zelensky visted the wh where biden [URL="https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2021/09/01/remarks-by-president-biden-and-president-zelenskyy-of-ukraine-before-bilateral-meeting/"]made it very clear[/URL] that the us was "firmly committed" to ukraine's nato aspirations. then, in november of 2021, sec state blinken and his ukrainian counterpart [URL="https://www.state.gov/u-s-ukraine-charter-on-strategic-partnership/"]joined together in signing[/URL] the "us - ukraine charter in strategic partnership", the aim of which was to "underscore a commitment to Ukraine’s implementation of the deep and comprehensive reforms necessary for full integration into European and Euro-Atlantic institutions". i don't think that could make the imminent intentions of ukraine's integration into nato any clearer.

in dec of 2021, [URL="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/17/russia-issues-list-demands-tensions-europe-ukraine-nato"]putin sent a letter to biden & nato[/URL] that more or less demanded a written guarantee that not only would ukraine not join nato but no offensive weapons nor troops would be stationed near russia's borders and any existing ones in eastern euroepe would be moved back west. putin also made a number of public statements around this time implying that he viewed nato expansion as an existential threat. [URL="en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/67402"]in december, he said:[/URL]

[QUOTE]what they are doing, or trying or planning to do in Ukraine, is not happening thousands of kilometres away from our national border. It is on the doorstep of our house. They must understand that we simply have nowhere further to retreat to. Do they really think we do not see these threats? Or do they think that we will just stand idly watching threats to Russia emerge?[/QUOTE]

[URL="http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/67838"]two months later, just a few days before the invasion of ukraine, putin said:[/URL]

[QUOTE]“We are categorically opposed to Ukraine joining NATO because this poses a threat to us, and we have arguments to support this. The United States and its allies continue to pump the current Kiev authorities full of modern types of weapons. If this is not stopped, Moscow “would be left with an ‘anti-Russia’ armed to the teeth. This is totally unacceptable.”[/QUOTE]

sounds a bit similar to what our monroe doctrine stipulates, huh?

[URL="https://www.state.gov/secretary-antony-j-blinken-at-a-press-availability-13/"]blinken responded to putin in jan of 2022[/URL] in a nutshell saying "“There is no change. There will be no change.”

and before you knew it, the russians were coming.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14882844]None of that is true but I suppose the truth doesn't matter to a stupid asshole.[/QUOTE]
:oldlol:

[QUOTE=diamenz;14883122]*Cherry picks time frame and continues to defend Russia and her murderous leader*[/QUOTE]

:facepalm

[QUOTE=SATAN;14883126]:facepalm[/QUOTE]

i shouldn't even entertain you because you offer nothing, but blade specifically asked for it.

Just keep rooting for USA to lose power on the global stage while defending competition when they try to overthrow allied countries. Solid plan, terrorist.

[QUOTE=diamenz;14883122]there's no short answer to this. for the sake of not sounding like a broken record, i'll skip past everything i've already covered in the ukraine thread, as well as this thread [I]and[/I] the 'joe biden is a terrible president' thread in the ofc forum and start off on the timeline at 2014.

*this ended up being a mess of a post and wasn't structured or articulated very well but whatever... everything is there including referenced links.*

so you would think that after the events of 2014, the us and it's allies would have either drew down, began to de-escalate or even consider taking nato enlargement completely off of the table... especially in regard to ukraine, right? wrong - they instead doubled-down.

first, nato began [URL="https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraine-military-success-years-of-nato-training-11649861339"]training the ukrainian military in 2014[/URL], totaling approximately 10k troops trained over the course of the next eight years. in 2017, the [URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/2017/12/20/trump-administration-approves-lethal-arms-sales-to-ukraine/"]trump admin provided kiev with "defensive weapons"[/URL] with other nato countries following suit. the military of ukraine then also started participating in joint military exercises with nato. in 2021, kiev and the us [URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/07/02/ukraine-us-military-black-sea/"]hosted "operation sea breeze"[/URL] as well as "operation trident 21", the former of which was a naval exercise aimed directly towards russia.

in addition to nato's efforts to turn the ukrainian military into a more formidable fighting force, there were political moves made as well - both on the side of the biden as well as the zelensky administrations. despite the fact that zelensky was elected in 2019 on a platform that was supposed to push towards solving the ongoing crisis, he out-of-the blue reversed course in 2021 and not only welcomed nato expansion, but turned to a hard-line approach against moscow. must have been talking to someone in washington or the uk, huh? now joe biden, who started his term in 2021, had already [URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/03/21/biden-crimea-russia-ukraine/"]been committed[/URL] in the long-term to bringing ukraine into nato and with his typical 'dc-brain' was uber-hawkish towards russia.

[URL="https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_185000.htm"]on june 14, 2021, nato issued the following statement:[/URL]



to top it all off and what really got the party started, in september of 2021, our brave hero zelensky visted the wh where biden [URL="https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2021/09/01/remarks-by-president-biden-and-president-zelenskyy-of-ukraine-before-bilateral-meeting/"]made it very clear[/URL] that the us was "firmly committed" to ukraine's nato aspirations. then, in november of 2021, sec state blinken and his ukrainian counterpart [URL="https://www.state.gov/u-s-ukraine-charter-on-strategic-partnership/"]joined together in signing[/URL] the "us - ukraine charter in strategic partnership", the aim of which was to "underscore a commitment to Ukraine’s implementation of the deep and comprehensive reforms necessary for full integration into European and Euro-Atlantic institutions". i don't think that could make the imminent intentions of ukraine's integration into nato any clearer.

in dec of 2021, [URL="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/17/russia-issues-list-demands-tensions-europe-ukraine-nato"]putin sent a letter to biden & nato[/URL] that more or less demanded a written guarantee that not only would ukraine not join nato but no offensive weapons nor troops would be stationed near russia's borders and any existing ones in eastern euroepe would be moved back west. putin also made a number of public statements around this time implying that he viewed nato expansion as an existential threat. [URL="en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/67402"]in december, he said:[/URL]



[URL="http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/67838"]two months later, just a few days before the invasion of ukraine, putin said:[/URL]



sounds a bit similar to what our monroe doctrine stipulates, huh?

[URL="https://www.state.gov/secretary-antony-j-blinken-at-a-press-availability-13/"]blinken responded to putin in jan of 2022[/URL] in a nutshell saying "“There is no change. There will be no change.”

and before you knew it, the russians were coming.[/QUOTE]

Okay, let's say I accept your argument that it was provoked. It's detailed and has sources.

Russia now controls the pro-russia territories in Eastern Ukraine like donbas. What's next if Putin has no intention of capturing all of Ukraine? Will they stop the offensive or will they not stop until the Ukrainian government in Kiev is toppled?

[QUOTE=SATAN;14883135]Just keep rooting for USA to lose power on the global stage while defending competition when they try to overthrow allied countries. Solid plan, terrorist.[/QUOTE]

Ah man. This is a Bladefd level simplistic comment. Who thinks all this death and destruction, money laundering is for the benefit of the US citizens. Do you think the US politician who push for war over the slightest things (ex. Lindsey Graham) are doing it because it helps the United States? Do you think politicians who push for open borders, wasting hundreds of millions of dollar, billions to take care of the illegal immigrants (help with rent, food, prepaid debit cards, $500 a night hotel rooms) are doing it because they care about the United States and its citizens?

These people would have you and everyone in the United States killed in 50 years, if it means a little bit of power for them during their lifetime.

I can understand Blade, he has a Pfizer tattoo, but not Satan.

Did Tucker get a word in edgewise?

This was not an interview. This was just one monologue by Putin.

Loved it when Putin told Tucker he was not a serious journalist, but rather an entertainer.

Tucker did a forced fake laugh to act like he wasn't being used.

[QUOTE=Lakers Legend#32;14883152]
Loved it when Putin told Tucker he was not a serious journalist, but rather an entertainer.[/QUOTE]

A broken clock is right twice a day. :ohwell:

I'm not particularly educated. But here's my take. I doubt it's as simple as "Putin = bad" and I also doubt it's as simple as "nato is on our doorstep and we've warned you for years" also.

Two reasons.

1) Nato is already on Russia's borders.
2) If Russia takes all of Ukraine and Ukraine ceases to exist and is just Russia now and everyone leaves it at that. Guess what? NATO is still on Russia's border. In fact, even more than it already is.

So what's really going on here? I can tell you one thing, I very much doubt it's going to be found in this thread as people spout off nonsensical talking points from their favorite political commentators.