say what?

$61 billion for ukraine's borders.

$14 billion for israel's borders.

$6 billion for taiwan's borders.

$0.[B]00[/B] for our border.

what's going on?

why won't our politicians on the hill take action to protect our identity and national security?

why won't the uni-party take action to stop the slaughter in ukraine and gaza?

...because there's no $ in it for them. there's nothing to gain for themselves or their donors.

war keeps the gravy train going and right now the money is flowing... like a flood.

#ukrainefirst

#israelfirst

you last.

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Russia is the Israel in that situation, not Ukraine. Critical thinking isn't your strong suit.

Also Ukraine is being invaded and America is not :lol

RRR3 is gonna follow this up with a facepalm emoji on his satan account

altfan the obese crack addict projecting as usual.

[QUOTE=RRR3;14886030]altfan the obese crack addict projecting as usual.[/QUOTE]

:facepalm

[QUOTE=RRR3;14886027]Russia is the Israel in that situation, not Ukraine. Critical thinking isn't your strong suit.

Also Ukraine is being invaded and America is not :lol[/QUOTE]

our propping up of ukraine is a lost cause and our endless support is the only reason ukrainians are still dying.

ukraine is on life support. the patient (ukraine) is effectively dead. every time were send another "aid package" all we're doing is giving the patient a shave and a haircut. biden can stop the slaughter with a single phone call signifying that we're out.

you aren't stopping the russians - their military is more formidable than it's ever been and their economy is humming. there's no beating them either outright nor in a war of attrition.

anyway, way to miss the underlying point i was trying to make.

[QUOTE=RRR3;14886027]

Also Ukraine is being invaded and America is not :lol[/QUOTE]

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You never have any points, you just regurgitate what right wing media tells you :lol

[QUOTE=RRR3;14886039]You never have any points, you just regurgitate what right wing media tells you :lol[/QUOTE]

do you wanna have a discussion here or are you bowing out per usual?

#ukrainefirst / #israelfirst members so far:

rrr3

[QUOTE=diamenz;14886043]#ukrainefirst / #israelfirst members so far:

rrr3[/QUOTE]
I spent like 30 pages arguing for Palestine, are you retarded?

Short term memory loss? Senile?


This idiot legit can't remember things from a few months ago but expects us to take him seriously about politics.

[QUOTE=diamenz;14886040]do you wanna have a discussion here or are you bowing out per usual?[/QUOTE]

He’s gonna bow out and try to reinforce his nonsensical points with a face palm emoji from his other account


aka the rrr3 special. The height of intellectual discussion.

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And he has the nerve to accuse other people :facepalm

[QUOTE=RRR3;14886044]I spent like 30 pages arguing for Palestine, are you retarded?

Short term memory loss? Senile?[/QUOTE]

that's fair. however you're still #ukrainefirst and that's where most of the $ is going.

you're in favor of the invasion at the us border, aren't you? don't lie.

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And he has the nerve to accuse other people :facepalm[/QUOTE]

You are mentally ill.

[QUOTE=warriorfan;14886045]He’s gonna bow out and try to reinforce his nonsensical points with a face palm emoji from his other account


aka the rrr3 special. The height of intellectual discussion.[/QUOTE]

he's the most passive-aggressive bitch on this forum.

[QUOTE=diamenz;14886050]that's fair. however you're still #ukrainefirst and that's where most of the $ is going.

you're in favor of the invasion at the us border, aren't you? don't lie.[/QUOTE]
I think Ukraine has the right to defend themselves from imperialism and colonialism yeah. Anyone with a conscience does.

And what invasion? Who's being attacked? :roll: Yeah anarchists are against borders, no shit.

just to reiterate, before the point of the op is lost - washington is corrupt and your vote is meaningless.

[QUOTE=diamenz;14886052]he's the most passive-aggressive bitch on this forum.[/QUOTE]

What’s funny is most of it stems because he cannot be aggressive even if he wants too, he knows his positions he so often takes don’t have a real leg to stand on, so he subsequently resorts to 3 year old not getting a candy bar at the check out isle style meltdowns.

It’s almost equally pathetic as it is amusing. Leaning a bit on the pathetic side though.

[QUOTE=RRR3;14886053]I think Ukraine has the right to defend themselves from imperialism and colonialism yeah. Anyone with a conscience does.

And what invasion? Who's being attacked? :roll: Yeah anarchists are against borders, no shit.[/QUOTE]

does russia have the right to defend themselves from nato encroachment as well as a western military front on their border?

imagine china forming an alliance the size and scope of nato and bringing canada and mexico into their ranks. how would we (the us) react?

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?516313-The-Tucker-Carlson-Vladimir-Putin-Interview&p=14883122&viewfull=1#post14883122[/url]

[QUOTE=warriorfan;14886055]he knows his positions he so often takes don’t have a real leg to stand on, [/QUOTE]

i mean, it's one thing to have an extreme ideology like he does. because hey, whatever - everybody is entitled to their opinions.

...but to completely ignore reality and apply your fantasyland policies to real-world issues is just beyond childish.

[QUOTE=diamenz;14886026]$61 billion for ukraine's borders.

$14 billion for israel's borders.

$6 billion for taiwan's borders.

$0.[B]00[/B] for our border.

what's going on?

why won't our politicians on the hill take action to protect our identity and national security?

why won't the uni-party take action to stop the slaughter in ukraine and gaza?

...because there's no $ in it for them. there's nothing to gain for themselves or their donors.

war keeps the gravy train going and right now the money is flowing... like a flood.

#ukrainefirst

#israelfirst

you last.

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First, US spends 25 billion per year for border security. That doesn't even include Homeland Security's 122 billion annual budget.

Second, there was a bipartisan immigration bill ready to go (written by Oklahoma Republican senator), where democrats gave most of the things the GOP wanted including $118 billion extra funding and strict immigration laws. Trump, in wanting to play politics in time for election to not let Biden look good, told Republicans to vote against it. Republicans fell in line like the good sheep they are for Donald the shepherd. I'm sure Americans saw that, and I suspect Republicans just shot themselves over that.

[QUOTE=diamenz;14886057]does russia have the right to defend themselves from nato encroachment as well as a western military front on their border?

imagine china forming an alliance the size and scope of nato and bringing canada and mexico into their ranks. how would we (the us) react?

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?516313-The-Tucker-Carlson-Vladimir-Putin-Interview&p=14883122&viewfull=1#post14883122[/url][/QUOTE]
Please explain how invading a foreign country and killing civilians is defending yourself :lol

[QUOTE=diamenz;14886034]our propping up of ukraine is a lost cause and our endless support is the only reason ukrainians are still dying.

ukraine is on life support. the patient (ukraine) is effectively dead. every time were send another "aid package" all we're doing is giving the patient a shave and a haircut. biden can stop the slaughter with a single phone call signifying that we're out.

you aren't stopping the russians - their military is more formidable than it's ever been and their economy is humming. there's no beating them either outright nor in a war of attrition.

anyway, way to miss the underlying point i was trying to make.[/QUOTE]

If things went your way, you would pull all support for Ukraine and cheer on Colonel Putin to finish the job in Ukraine.

[QUOTE=bladefd;14886061]First, US spends 25 billion per year for border security. That doesn't even include Homeland Security's 122 billion annual budget.

Second, there was a bipartisan immigration bill ready to go (written by Oklahoma Republican senator), where democrats gave most of the things the GOP wanted including $118 billion extra funding and strict immigration laws. Trump, in wanting to play politics in time for election to not let Biden look good, told Republicans to vote against it. Republicans fell in line like the good sheep they are for Donald the shepherd. I'm sure Americans saw that, and I suspect Republicans just shot themselves over that.[/QUOTE]

follow the money blade and don't be so easily fooled. it's all a show.

nothing in any proposed bill from either party addresses the extreme influx of "asylum seekers" at our border. it's a game of catch and release (release into the us). "border security". :roll:

[QUOTE=bladefd;14886065]If things went your way, you would pull all support for Ukraine and cheer on Colonel Putin to finish the job in Ukraine.[/QUOTE]

putin's going to finish the job regardless. not coming forth with a settlement now only prolongs that fact and continues the death and destruction of ukraine and it's people.

[QUOTE=RRR3;14886063]Please explain how invading a foreign country and killing civilians is defending yourself :lol[/QUOTE]

see the link. it answers your question extensively.

[QUOTE=diamenz;14886068]follow the money blade and don't be so easily fooled. it's all a show.

nothing in any proposed bill from either party addresses the extreme influx of "asylum seekers" at our border. it's a game of catch and release (release into the us). "border security". :roll:[/QUOTE]

You don't know about the immigration bill, do you?

[url]https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/new-immigration-asylum-reform-bill-released-senate-text-rcna136602[/url]

You said "0 dollars for our border", and I blew down that strawman argument. You retort with "well, it's all a show."

No, it's not. One party decide to play politics in election season even though the bill was written by a Republican conservative. That one party decided to not pass the funding/stricter immigration bill

[QUOTE=diamenz;14886070]see the link. it answers your question extensively.[/QUOTE]
With bullshit I've heard a million times from people who have been programmed by the same media you eat up like a good little stooge. Ukraine and Palestine are excellent litmus tests for who is actually thinking for themselves or not. It's not exact but this is a pretty good guide in general

Pro-Ukraine/Pro-Israel: listening to mainstream liberal media

Pro-Russia/Pro-Israel: listening to mainstream conservative media

Pro-Russia/Pro-Palestine: listening to third party conspiracy cranks and/or alternative right wing media (you are here), listening to Marxist-Leninist media (not you, but this is people on the left who have this opinion on Ukraine/Russia), or listening to mainstream conservative media but just hates Israel because they associate it with Jews.

Pro-Ukraine/Pro-Palestine: consistently against imperialism and colonialism regardless and thinking for themselves.

[QUOTE=diamenz;14886069]putin's going to finish the job regardless. not coming forth with a settlement now only prolongs that fact and continues the death and destruction of ukraine and it's people.[/QUOTE]

So you just want to speed up the death and destruction of Ukraine and its people. Got it.

[QUOTE=RRR3;14886073]With bullshit I've heard a million times from people who have been programmed by the same media you eat up like a good little stooge. Ukraine and Palestine are excellent litmus tests for who is actually thinking for themselves or not. It's not exact but this is a pretty good guide in general

Pro-Ukraine/Pro-Israel: listening to mainstream liberal media

Pro-Russia/Pro-Israel: listening to mainstream conservative media

Pro-Russia/Pro-Palestine: listening to third party conspiracy cranks and/or alternative right wing media, listening to Marxist-Leninist media, or listening to mainstream conservative media but just hates Israel because they associate it with Jews.

Pro-Ukraine/Pro-Palestine: consistently against imperialism and colonialism regardless and thinking for themselves.[/QUOTE]

i'm against what the netanyahu government is doing in gaza and the west bank. i think it's unacceptable and has little to do with eliminating hamas or rescuing hostages at this point. as a matter of fact, i don't think it can be any more clear that this is now a campaign to create a greater israel and push the threat of the palestinian people in general (along with hamas) out into the sinai. i don't think it does anything to make israel safer in the long-run, is bad for their global relations and can be labeled as ethnic cleansing - some would even argue genocide. we shouldn't support it.

otoh, you know where i stand with regard to the russo-ukrainian war. so where does that put me on the spectum? am i only thinking for myself on one side of the equation and not the other?

[QUOTE=bladefd;14886074]So you just want to speed up the death and destruction of Ukraine and its people. Got it.[/QUOTE]

we've gone over this. this war is going to go one of two ways. either russia takes eastern ukraine by force and installs a russian-friendly government in kiev ensuring a neutral ukraine or the west comes forth with a settlement stating likewise.

or

we continue to supply ukraine with limited equipment and ammunitions to a dwindling army who's ranks cannot be replaced quick enough to prolong the fight. at that point, biden puts us troops on the ground and we've more or less triggered a global conflict or at the least a war between two nuclear superpowers.

there's no defeating the russian army unless we get involved directly. otherwise, we're only prolonging the inevitable. so what's the sensible move?

[QUOTE=diamenz;14886080]we've gone over this. this war is going to go one of two ways. either russia takes eastern ukraine by force and installs a russian-friendly government in kiev ensuring a neutral ukraine or the west comes forth with a settlement stating likewise.

or

we continue to supply ukraine with limited equipment and ammunitions to a dwindling army who's ranks cannot be replaced quick enough to prolong the fight. at that point, biden puts us troops on the ground and we've more or less triggered a global conflict or at the least a war between two nuclear superpowers.

there's no defeating the russian army unless we get involved directly. otherwise, we're only prolonging the inevitable. so what's the sensible move?[/QUOTE]

You have 6,666 posts. For now.

[QUOTE=bladefd;14886072]You don't know about the immigration bill, do you?

[url]https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/new-immigration-asylum-reform-bill-released-senate-text-rcna136602[/url]

You said "0 dollars for our border", and I blew down that strawman argument. You retort with "well, it's all a show."

No, it's not. One party decide to play politics in election season even though the bill was written by a Republican conservative. That one party decided to not pass the funding/stricter immigration bill[/QUOTE]

isn't this the previous bill that's already been shot down? is this what the senate just recently passed to the house a few days ago? this article is dated the 4th of feb.

because i'll admit i was wrong if that's the case. i'll have to take a closer look at it.

[QUOTE=jstern;14886081]You have 6,666 posts. For now.[/QUOTE]

:lol

[QUOTE=jstern;14886081]You have 6,666 posts. For now.[/QUOTE]

i have a ways to go before i catch axe, don't i?

[QUOTE=diamenz;14886054]washington is corrupt and your vote is meaningless. [/QUOTE]

You're essentially saying there's nothing anyone can do. Both parties are corrupt...But I'll insist on bickering and causing division for one of them.

Dumb

[QUOTE=diamenz;14886077]i'm against what the netanyahu government is doing in gaza and the west bank. i think it's unacceptable and has little to do with eliminating hamas or rescuing hostages at this point. as a matter of fact, i don't think it can be any more clear that this is now a campaign to create a greater israel and push the threat of the palestinian people in general (along with hamas) out into the sinai. i don't think it does anything to make israel safer in the long-run, is bad for their global relations and can be labeled as ethnic cleansing - some would even argue genocide. we shouldn't support it.

otoh, you know where i stand with regard to the russo-ukrainian war. so where does that put me on the spectum? am i only thinking for myself on one side of the equation and not the other?[/QUOTE]
Apparently you had trouble reading my post.

[QUOTE=RRR3;14886108]Apparently you had trouble reading my post.[/QUOTE]

no don't generalize me into some hack category of mass groups. because in all modesty, my views and posts regarding both wars have been extensive and thorough, are more than simple talking points and don't represent any group of people you've outlined. if i'm split on the two subjects, then it should be assumed that i'm taking a fair approach to both , which i believe i am because i have genuine interest in seeking the truth.

[QUOTE=diamenz;14886121]no don't generalize me into some hack category of mass groups. because in all modesty, my views and posts regarding both wars have been extensive and thorough, are more than simple talking points and don't represent any group of people you've outlined. if i'm split on the two subjects, then it should be assumed that i'm taking a fair approach to both , which i believe i am because i have genuine interest in seeking the truth.[/QUOTE]
You literally say the exact same things everyone else I've encountered who consume alternative "third party" media says about the issue. There is literally no difference. The EXACT same things. You keep saying "well because I have inconsistent views I must be thinking for myself" as if these inconsistent views aren't pushed by certain sectors of the media, which I went over already. Just because media isn't mainstream doesn't mean they're not selling you bullshit. The only people I see consistently supporting Palestinian and Ukranian right to self-determination are anarchists and democratic socialists. Liberals, conservatives, conspiracy nuts, Marxist-Leninists, and fascists are all pure shit on one side or the other (if not both). Afaik, I'm the only person on the board who's come down strongly on both of the sides I'm coming down on here too.