Naz Reid can space the floor, he can drive the ball, he can pass, he can play D
Naz Reid is a legit better all around player than Gobert and it will show once he goes to his own team.
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Naz Reid can space the floor, he can drive the ball, he can pass, he can play D
Naz Reid is a legit better all around player than Gobert and it will show once he goes to his own team.
Better than Toody, sure, but his own team!?
Hes not THAT good bro :lol
According to Xiao he might be Puerto Rico bound soon.
But yeah I agree, far more valuable skill set in the modern NBA and a very well composed under pressure player. Reminds me of a more athletic, much better shooting Al Horford with his diversity. Certainly doesn't get played off the floor like Rudy. Thank god he isn't on the Celtics.
I'm not so sure about that but he's probably better at his role than Gobert is at his. His energy off the bench has been bananas. He's been all over the floor on both ends.
Gobert just has this inexplicable ability to become such a liability on offense it wipes out his defense.
[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE;14914011]Better than Toody, sure, but his own team!?
Hes not THAT good bro :lol[/QUOTE]
if you look at all the pros and cons and limitations rudy has on your team, it becomes about portability as they say on realgm…rudy is a one of a kind and he’s great but his skillset is so unique i really think it handicaps rosters and rotations
[QUOTE=Proctor;14914013]According to Xiao he might be Puerto Rico bound soon.
But yeah I agree, far more valuable skill set in the modern NBA and a very well composed under pressure player. Reminds me of a more athletic, much better shooting Al Horford with his diversity. Certainly doesn't get played off the floor like Rudy. Thank god he isn't on the Celtics.[/QUOTE]
Trolls making shit up again :facepalm
[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;14914023]Trolls making shit up again :facepalm[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?508829-Wolves-bench-center-Naz-Reid-outperforms-Toody&p=14913997&viewfull=1#post14913997[/url]
He's better than Gobert but like Fultz said, he's not leading a team anywhere.
[QUOTE=Proctor;14914029][url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?508829-Wolves-bench-center-Naz-Reid-outperforms-Toody&p=14913997&viewfull=1#post14913997[/url][/QUOTE]
:roll:
[QUOTE=warriorfan;14914022]if you look at all the pros and cons and limitations rudy has on your team, it becomes about portability as they say on realgm…rudy is a one of a kind and he’s great but his skillset is so unique i really think it handicaps rosters and rotations[/QUOTE]
Yeah but you dont see him going and being the best player on a team somewhere do you? Outside of maybe the Wizards I dont see where thatd even be possible. And certainly not anywhere thats doing anything but tanking.
Hes a great do-everything energy guy, kinda like a half step up from PJ Washington on the other side… but I dont think you go and specifically build around him. Hes a great complement but he’s still a complement.
Rudy is a cheating frenchie.
Literally has no offensive game except illegal screens and constantly pushes people in the rebounding.
Reid can score but he doesn't have the impact that Toody does and it showed in this game. Was a layup line with Gobert on the bench and that's what lost them the game. Had no business losing a game where the Mavs couldn't make 3s.
No, he can't.
But depending on what his next contract costs, you might find better value starting him and spending Gobert's $45M on other positions of need.
[QUOTE=ImKobe;14914075]Reid can score but he doesn't have the impact that Toody does and it showed in this game. Was a layup line with Gobert on the bench and that's what lost them the game. Had no business losing a game where the Mavs couldn't make 3s.[/QUOTE]
+10
[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;14914084]+10[/QUOTE]
According to you +/- doesn't mean anything
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?478123-How-many-of-you-actually-believe-single-game-tells-you-who-had-the-most-impact&p=14761717&viewfull=1#post14761717[/url]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?498994-Game-of-the-year-Jazz-at-Heat-game-thread&p=14470240&viewfull=1#post14470240[/url]
Anything else?
[QUOTE=Proctor;14914088]According to you +/- doesn't mean anything
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?478123-How-many-of-you-actually-believe-single-game-tells-you-who-had-the-most-impact&p=14761717&viewfull=1#post14761717[/url]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?498994-Game-of-the-year-Jazz-at-Heat-game-thread&p=14470240&viewfull=1#post14470240[/url]
Anything else?[/QUOTE]
Single game +/- can be very misleading due to sub patterns but it's obvious from watching games that Rudy's defense is far more important than Reid's offense. The 5-10 extra points he might score due to his shooting ability mean nothing when the opposing team is constantly getting buckets in the paint to offset whatever he's doing on offense. Reid also gambles a lot for steals/blocks on D where if he doesn't get it it's an easy bucket for the opponent, and he's nowhere near as good at boxing out & rebounding the ball.
I solemnly agree with you op.
[QUOTE=Proctor;14914088]According to you +/- doesn't mean anything
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?478123-How-many-of-you-actually-believe-single-game-tells-you-who-had-the-most-impact&p=14761717&viewfull=1#post14761717[/url]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?498994-Game-of-the-year-Jazz-at-Heat-game-thread&p=14470240&viewfull=1#post14470240[/url]
Anything else?[/QUOTE]
Poor Xiao :roll:
I think most of this forum is emotional towards Gobert. He has an ugly game on offense but he is their most important big and 2nd best player on the team. Xiao is a good troll and all i know but this is getting silly.
[QUOTE=Proctor;14914088]According to you +/- doesn't mean anything
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?478123-How-many-of-you-actually-believe-single-game-tells-you-who-had-the-most-impact&p=14761717&viewfull=1#post14761717[/url]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?498994-Game-of-the-year-Jazz-at-Heat-game-thread&p=14470240&viewfull=1#post14470240[/url]
Anything else?[/QUOTE]
That's pretty funny. You will find in life people make up their mind(aka belief) ahead of time and build their argument backwards from there. Cognitive dissonance of the highest order, if need be.
[QUOTE=ImKobe;14914098]Single game +/- can be very misleading due to sub patterns but it's obvious from watching games that Rudy's defense is far more important than Reid's offense. The 5-10 extra points he might score due to his shooting ability mean nothing when the opposing team is constantly getting buckets in the paint to offset whatever he's doing on offense. Reid also gambles a lot for steals/blocks on D where if he doesn't get it it's an easy bucket for the opponent, and he's nowhere near as good at boxing out & rebounding the ball.[/QUOTE]
Weve got 10 years of rudys impact. Ignore it if you must
[QUOTE=Akeem34TheDream;14914138]I think most of this forum is emotional towards Gobert. He has an ugly game on offense but he is their most important big and 2nd best player on the team. Xiao is a good troll and all i know but this is getting silly.[/QUOTE]
Trolls and facts dont mix. Dont waste your breath
[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE;14914011]Better than Toody, sure, but his own team!?
Hes not THAT good bro :lol[/QUOTE]
I think he is.
His skillset is insane.
He has star / superstar type attributes.
Just hope the Wolves dont quite utilize that this series.
He is very good and if you compare him to someone, maybe Bam but with more range?
Has that similar hybrid PF-C build and allround skillset.
[QUOTE=Proctor;14914088]According to you +/- doesn't mean anything
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?478123-How-many-of-you-actually-believe-single-game-tells-you-who-had-the-most-impact&p=14761717&viewfull=1#post14761717[/url]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?498994-Game-of-the-year-Jazz-at-Heat-game-thread&p=14470240&viewfull=1#post14470240[/url]
Anything else?[/QUOTE]
+/- is the most telling stat with the correct sample size, but single game can be very misleading.
[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;14914151]Weve got 10 years of rudys impact. Ignore it if you must[/QUOTE]
10 years and not one conference finals appearance :oldlol:
[QUOTE=j3lademaster;14914189]+/- is the most telling stat with the correct sample size, but single game can be very misleading.[/QUOTE]
It's not, really.
It can be. But it can also not be. Even over large sample sizes.
[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;14914166]I think he is.
His skillset is insane.
He has star / superstar type attributes.
Just hope the Wolves dont quite utilize that this series.[/QUOTE]
I could be wrong. I guess I dont see him as a guy you put the ball in his hands and tell him to figure out what to do. I feel like hes a guy who responds to plays and finishes them, not necessarily sets things up. Ive not seen any indication hes a guy you consistently play THRU.
Again, I think hes like a PJ Washington Plus. He can do a lot on the court. But I dont see the evidence that hes a guy who quarterbacks the offense. Which is I think what you generally expect when you build around a guy.
[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE;14914223]I could be wrong. I guess I dont see him as a guy you put the ball in his hands and tell him to figure out what to do. I feel like hes a guy who responds to plays and finishes them, not necessarily sets things up. Ive not seen any indication hes a guy you consistently play THRU.
Again, I think hes like a PJ Washington Plus. He can do a lot on the court. But I dont see the evidence that hes a guy who quarterbacks the offense. Which is I think what you generally expect when you build around a guy.[/QUOTE]
I think you could probably do it.
Its just so uncommon to us.
He came up as an absolute role player guy.
Its just about setting him free.
I think the same for Derrick White, Norman Powell. Maybe OG too.
These guys are stars restricted by role / volume.
[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;14914232]I think you could probably do it.
Its just so uncommon to us.
He came up as an absolute role player guy.
Its just about setting him free.
I think the same for Derrick White, Norman Powell. Maybe OG too.
[B]These guys are stars restricted by role / volume.[/B][/QUOTE]
Well why the hell doesnt Lebron ever get to play with guys like that??
[QUOTE=Manny98;14914217]10 years and not one conference finals appearance :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
In the Western Conference, the Minnesota Timberwolves knocked off three-time MVP Nikola Jokic and the defending champion Denver Nuggets in a thrilling Game 7 comeback to reach the conference finals for the first time since 2004. :coleman:
Any rebuttal troll? Thought Naz was Puerto Rico bound when we told you all along he was a stud?
:roll:
Rudy gobert is a liability on defense. Can’t defend the pick & roll. Drops too far back. What a joke as a DPOY.
[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;14914232]I think you could probably do it.
Its just so uncommon to us.
He came up as an absolute role player guy.
Its just about setting him free.
I think the same for Derrick White, Norman Powell. Maybe OG too.
These guys are stars restricted by role / volume.[/QUOTE]
Norman Powell is in the best situation he could possibly find himself right now. What more do you think he has to offer?
[QUOTE=ImKobe;14914075]Reid can score but he doesn't have the impact that Toody does and it showed in this game. [B]Was a layup line with Gobert on the bench[/B] and that's what lost them the game. Had no business losing a game where the Mavs couldn't make 3s.[/QUOTE]
To be fair, they were getting what they wanted around the rim with him in the game. Kyrie and Luka would drive and make Gobert commit to them, then dump if off to someone around the rim for an easy bucket.
Rudy's playoff on/off is crazy! +22.8 net rating with a +16.2 on-court. That's comfortably the most out of all the rotation guys and it doesn't include game 2 against Denver! The next highest is Conley with a +13.7 net rating with a +13.8 on-court.
Now, these numbers might not mean much when compared to players from other teams. However, they are intriguing impact signals that point to Minnesota's unique makeup and team dynamics. Rudy also had the highest combined (net on/off + on-court) of all the rotation guys in the regular season.
[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;14914260]Rudy's playoff on/off is crazy! +22.8 net rating with a +16.2 on-court. That's comfortably the most out of all the rotation guys and it doesn't include game 2 against Denver! The next highest is Conley with a +13.7 net rating with a +13.8 on-court.
Now, these numbers might not mean much when compared to players from other teams. However, they are intriguing impact signals that point to Minnesota's unique makeup and team dynamics. Rudy also had the highest combined (net on/off + on-court) of all the rotation guys in the regular season.[/QUOTE]
Lol.
Rudy Gobert has Minnesota winning by 16 points per every game worth a time when on the court.
On the other hand Naz Reid is at +0.5 for the entire playoffs.
They only win when Gobert is on the court, and by a lot and only lose when Reid is out there, but Reid should have his own team. :lol
This message board is truly retarded. This is like saying Shaun Livingston should've had Curry on the bench.
edit: and the only one on the entire team, who has played more losing basketball than Naz Reid, is the snail of a man, Kyle Anderson.
[QUOTE=GOBB;14914246]Rudy gobert is a liability on defense. Can’t defend the pick & roll. Drops too far back. What a joke as a DPOY.[/QUOTE]
3 years ago he was the best pick and roll defender in the league. Doubt much changed other than having more help now
[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;14914260]Rudy's playoff on/off is crazy! +22.8 net rating with a +16.2 on-court. That's comfortably the most out of all the rotation guys and it doesn't include game 2 against Denver! The next highest is Conley with a +13.7 net rating with a +13.8 on-court.
Now, these numbers might not mean much when compared to players from other teams. However, they are intriguing impact signals that point to Minnesota's unique makeup and team dynamics. Rudy also had the highest combined (net on/off + on-court) of all the rotation guys in the regular season.[/QUOTE]
Hes been doing that for almost 10 years. Trolls hate facts
[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;14914260]Rudy's playoff on/off is crazy! +22.8 net rating with a +16.2 on-court. That's comfortably the most out of all the rotation guys and it doesn't include game 2 against Denver! The next highest is Conley with a +13.7 net rating with a +13.8 on-court.
Now, these numbers might not mean much when compared to players from other teams. However, they are intriguing impact signals that point to Minnesota's unique makeup and team dynamics. Rudy also had the highest combined (net on/off + on-court) of all the rotation guys in the regular season.[/QUOTE]
Gafford and Lively bring something to the table that Denver did not have... rim protection AND you have to respect them on the offensive end because they can catch the ball clean and finish something Rudy has not shown he is capable of.
The challenges in playing offense around Rudy leaves Minny with a razor thin margin for error.
[QUOTE=Charlie Sheen;14914252]Norman Powell is in the best situation he could possibly find himself right now. What more do you think he has to offer?[/QUOTE]
How so?
You didnt know Powell can create his own shot?
Hes not doing that currently.
All of these guys are on uber stacked teams, Powells situation is no different than Reids or Whites.