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He's averaged 23 PPG in the regular season and playoffs and is about to make $65M. What do you think?
No fan is thinking "I need to go pick up the new variant of Jaylen Brown's jersey! " or "Jaylen is coming to town, let me blow my allowance money on tix!"
[QUOTE=beasted;14914384]He's averaged 23 PPG in the regular season and playoffs and is about to make $65M. What do you think?
No fan is thinking "I need to go pick up the new variant of Jaylen Brown's jersey! " or "Jaylen is coming to town, let me blow my allowance money on tix!"[/QUOTE]
I would cop a jaylen jersey over a tatum
[QUOTE=warriorfan;14914386]I would cop a jaylen jersey over a tatum[/QUOTE]
Without looking it up I'd assume he's not top 15 in jersey sales.
[QUOTE=beasted;14914384]He's averaged 23 PPG in the regular season and playoffs and is about to make $65M. What do you think?
No fan is thinking "I need to go pick up the new variant of Jaylen Brown's jersey! " or "Jaylen is coming to town, let me blow my allowance money on tix!"[/QUOTE]
Last year JB was in the top 15 of jersey sales. Not that that is the reason why he's worth paying all that money, just pointing out that when you say no fan buys his jersey? You're wrong.
The justification for his pay is the same as most any player with that kind of contract: it's the going rate for a star. With the CBA rules and all of the money the league makes in the backs of players his contract will be repeatedly exceeded to the point where it's just a trivia question. His was the first 300 million dollar deal. It will not be the only one. In 4 years evert playoffs team will have one guy with a bigger contract than his and many will have two. People keep freaking out at the numbers and ignore that it's just the going rate.
[QUOTE=beasted;14914388]Without looking it up I'd assume he's not top 15 in jersey sales.[/QUOTE]
[url]https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-celtics/2023/04/12/jayson-tatum-jaylen-brown-nba-jersey-sales/[/url]
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14914390][url]https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-celtics/2023/04/12/jayson-tatum-jaylen-brown-nba-jersey-sales/[/url][/QUOTE]
Tbf that was last year, he didn't make it this time
[URL="https://www.nba.com/news/top-selling-jerseys-2023-24-season-2"]https://www.nba.com/news/top-selling-jerseys-2023-24-season-2[/URL]
Nice to see Jokic managed to sneak into the top 15 and top LaMelo Ball.
Brown, making that much cash, should stand out as the go to first option guy. Him and Tatum have been deep in the postseason since 2018 but here 6yrs later, we still don't know which guy it is?
Just seems like a weird scenario so far.
[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14914391]Tbf that was last year, he didn't make it this time
[URL]https://www.nba.com/news/top-selling-jerseys-2023-24-season-2[/URL]
Nice to see Jokic managed to sneak into the top 15 and top LaMelo Ball.[/QUOTE]
Ok but the point still stands. If a team wants to win then they have to Supermax a guy like JB. Or the Celtics had been stupid and tried to haggle they likely lose him. Imagine if he had joined Philly in a sign and trade. Sixers would be on their way to the finals right now. Tatum would have to regularly have 40 point games to win in the playoffs, especially while Porzingis is out and wouldn't have home court. You can't win in the playoffs if you are letting a star like JB walk because you have some dumb list of 10 players worth the max and won't give it to anyone else.
[QUOTE=Hey Yo;14914393]Brown, making that much cash, should stand out as the go to first option guy. Him and Tatum have been deep in the postseason since 2018 but here 6yrs later, we still don't know which guy it is?
Just seems like a weird scenario so far.[/QUOTE]
Any team with multiple Allstars is going to have multiple guys making the max. They can't all be the #1 option all the time. Besides celtics feature Brown plenty. So long as it leads to winning its not important that he doesn't lead the team in scoring. He could lead plenty of teams in scoring. That's not the goal.
He’s been good this post season, one thing I always respect about Tatum and Brown both is they are excellent defenders, even tho I often criticize them as overrated for their offense.
That said, the Beantown duo rarely have a problem looking good in the earlier rounds against the non contenders. Their path has been especially easy this year with no serious contenders in the whole conference.
Lets see what Brown does in the finals then we’ll talk.
[QUOTE=beasted;14914384]He's averaged 23 PPG in the regular season and playoffs and is about to make $65M. What do you think?
No fan is thinking "I need to go pick up the new variant of Jaylen Brown's jersey! " or "Jaylen is coming to town, let me blow my allowance money on tix!"[/QUOTE]
This is the sort of casual fan, points-humping mentality that fails to understand how games are won or lost. Of course the casual fan isn't going to buy his jersey when all he cares about is ESPN highlight reels, exciting ISO, and indifferent to defense or the team aspect of the game.
He ain't worth shit, anyone could drop 40 against that pathetic defense
No supermax is for at least perennial all-nba lvl guys. Some think it should only be for mvp guys. He wasn’t going make more anywhere else. You haggle like the Jazz did for gobert when he was best guy on a title favorite team, clips did for kawhi, Mavs did for Kyrie and kings did for sabonis. The heat for jimmy and clippers for George are haggling rn. Just a few mil less a year even though he still be overload imo could mean an extra bench guy.
The problem is that Tatum is currently on a cheap contract himself, and once he declines his player option and they give him the new max in 2025 they're going to have problems as far as team building goes. Boston was able to have the deepest/most talented team in their Conference for years thanks to their two best players being young and on cheap contracts. Once both of them are making 55-65+ million a year they're not going to be able to maintain that advantage.
Will have to see what they offer Jrue or if they S&T him for younger players after this season and what they can do with Porzingis. I don't think this current version of the Celtics is staying together for long. They need to get younger around the two Jays or trade Brown after next season if this doesn't work out. They're already lacking in depth and Jrue is 34 next season and KP might as well be in his mid-30s too with how often he's hurt.
[QUOTE=NBAGOAT;14914414]No supermax is for at least perennial all-nba lvl guys. Some think it should only be for mvp guys. He wasn’t going make more anywhere else. You haggle like the Jazz did for gobert when he was best guy on a title favorite team, clips did for kawhi, Mavs did for Kyrie and kings did for sabonis. The heat for jimmy and clippers for George are haggling rn. Just a few mil less a year even though he still be overload imo could mean an extra bench guy.[/QUOTE] Did you not notice the metric ton of ****ing up Irving did to make himself a nonmax player? You don't see how George and Leonard's injury history changes his value? Brown is starting his prime. Most of the guys you mention are in their thirties and have major problems. The Celtics with Brown have made the Conference finals almost every year and gotten to the finals once in recent history. He was averaging almost 27 points as the second star. You don't jeopardize that because you think that maybe you could get some bench guy for the cap space that actually would not be created if you got him to take 50 mil per instead of 60. Porzingis and Holiday have both gotten big deals since he signed and Tatum is going to get a contract even bigger than his. Why should Brown settle? He is one of the cornerstones to a perennial championship contender.
[QUOTE=ImKobe;14914415]The problem is that Tatum is currently on a cheap contract himself, and once he declines his player option and they give him the new max in 2025 they're going to have problems as far as team building goes. Boston was able to have the deepest/most talented team in their Conference for years thanks to their two best players being young and on cheap contracts. Once both of them are making 55-65+ million a year they're not going to be able to maintain that advantage.
Will have to see what they offer Jrue or if they S&T him for younger players after this season and what they can do with Porzingis. I don't think this current version of the Celtics is staying together for long. They need to get younger around the two Jays or trade Brown after next season if this doesn't work out. They're already lacking in depth and Jrue is 34 next season and KP might as well be in his mid-30s too with how often he's hurt.[/QUOTE]
They've already extended Holiday and Porzingis. Any team that has collected a great core is going to have to pay out a lot of money but so long as the Celtics ownership is willing to pay the bill (and they are) its not a problem.
Absolutely not. Jaylen Brown to me is around top 50ish player level. About the same with Brandon Ingram.
But when you have really underpaid studs like Derrick White and Al Horford in your team, having an overpaid player like Brown hurts a lot less.
[QUOTE=iamgine;14914423]Absolutely not. Jaylen Brown to me is around top 50ish player level. About the same with Brandon Ingram.
But when you have really underpaid studs like Derrick White and Al Horford in your team, having an overpaid player like Brown hurts a lot less.[/QUOTE]
Top 50ish?? I don't think there's 25 guys better than Jaylen personally.
[QUOTE=Wally450;14914435]Top 50ish?? I don't think there's 25 guys better than Jaylen personally.[/QUOTE]
Opinions can differ
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14914421]They've already extended Holiday and Porzingis. Any team that has collected a great core is going to have to pay out a lot of money but so long as the Celtics ownership is willing to pay the bill (and they are) its not a problem.[/QUOTE]
Yeah so they have little to improve around the edges or to add any significant depth unless they luck out with some of the younger players or unless they trade those older guys. They're pretty much where the Clippers were in 2020 but their 2 stars are more reliable health-wise. Keeping this current team together a few years down the line would mean that they'd have to go into the 2nd apron, and if they do that they're going to be further limited in what they can do to improve the roster.
[QUOTE=ImKobe;14914446]Yeah so they have little to improve around the edges or to add any significant depth unless they luck out with some of the younger players or unless they trade those older guys. They're pretty much where the Clippers were in 2020 but their 2 stars are more reliable health-wise. Keeping this current team together a few years down the line would mean that they'd have to go into the 2nd apron, and if they do that they're going to be further limited in what they can do to improve the roster.[/QUOTE]They won 64 games. This isn't a team that needs to be overhauled.
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14914450]They won 64 games. This isn't a team that needs to be overhauled.[/QUOTE]
Well you've had a championship window for 3 seasons now and will have at least 2 more years to win one after this. Jaylen's contract will be an issue but tbh most teams would have signed off on his deal just for team chemistry reasons. You will need an overhaul with Horford & Holiday aging though and Jaylen's contract will make it a bit harder to build a similar team around Tatum once JT gets that new contract.
I mean... he's beating up on injured crippled opponents. It's hard to count a title with such a joke path. I know the 2015 warriors had a similar circumstance but they won 3 times after to prove it wasn't a fluke.
Bottom line, if the Celtics win the ring this year it won't really count. Nobody is impressed with yall beating up on cans.
If you knocked a healthy heavyweight out we would show respect but this is just weak.
[QUOTE=ImKobe;14914454]Well you've had a championship window for 3 seasons now and will have at least 2 more years to win one after this. Jaylen's contract will be an issue but tbh most teams would have signed off on his deal just for team chemistry reasons. You will need an overhaul with Horford & Holiday aging though and Jaylen's contract will make it a bit harder to build a similar team around Tatum once JT gets that new contract.[/QUOTE]
They won 64 games. This isn't a team that needs to be overhauled. If you have a starting five that lead you to over 60 wind that should be good for two years, maybe even three depending on how Holiday ages, you keep that core intact. Brad Stevens is an excellent executive, he'll keep the supporting cast solid (and with Pritchard signed had a leg up in that regard).
[QUOTE=tpols;14914459]I mean... he's beating up on injured crippled opponents. It's hard to count a title with such a joke path. I know the 2015 warriors had a similar circumstance but they won 3 times after to prove it wasn't a fluke.
Bottom line, if the Celtics win the ring this year it won't really count. Nobody is impressed with yall beating up on cans.
If you knocked a healthy heavyweight out we would show respect but this is just weak.[/QUOTE] It's bad luck and a bit arrogant to talk as if the Celtics already have the championship this year but generally speaking, if a pro sports team wins a championship they have achieved the ultimate goal in their sport, will be remembered and celebrated by the city and state they represent, and could not give a damn about the opinion of some random idiot on the internet.
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14914389]Last was in the top 15 of jersey sales. Not that that is the reason why he's worth paying all that money, just pointing out that when you say no fan buys his jersey? You're wrong.
The justification for his pay is the same as most any player with that kind of contract: it's the going rate for a star. With the CBA rules and all of the money the league makes in the backs of players his contract will be repeatedly exceeded to the point where it's just a trivia question. His was the first 300 million dollar deal. It will not be the only one. In 4 years evert playoffs team will have one guy with a bigger contract than his and many will have two. People keep freaking out at the numbers and ignore that it's just the going rate.[/QUOTE]
An NBA team is a business like any other business. Each contract should come with a risk and cost analysis. If player X is signed to Y contract should contribute to Z. Z variables are jersey sales, TV appearances, fans in attendance, projected wins, years of high level production, etc.
To simplify it to "that's what stars get paid" would justify Harden getting a $55M+ max last year from Morey, which we know would have been a poisonous contract. It's never that simple and there are a variety of factors.
Good to know Brown is a bit more popular than I would have thought. I was wrong in that regard.
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14914475]It's bad luck and a bit arrogant to talk as if the Celtics already have the championship this year but generally speaking, if a pro sports team wins a championship they have achieved the ultimate goal in their sport, will be remembered and celebrated by the city and state they represent, and could not give a damn about the opinion of some random idiot on the internet.[/QUOTE]
Us "idiots" made these guys collectively billions of dollars. Without our viewership and money these dudes wouldn't have squat. And that actually makes our opinions matter MORE. We fans are the backbone of the NBA. If everybody tuned out, theyd be nothing.
So of course we idiots matter. We're the only reason the league exists as a profitable enterprise.
And I want to re-iterate... if yall don't beat a healthy Dallas? It doesn't count. It's a joke ring that carries no respect. Nobody will be amazed or bowing their heads in respect like we've had to do for other champions.
[QUOTE=beasted;14914482]An NBA team is a business like any other business. Each contract should come with a risk and cost analysis. If player X is signed to Y contract should contribute to Z. Z variables are jersey sales, TV appearances, fans in attendance, projected wins, years of high level production, etc.
To simplify it to "that's what stars get paid" would justify Harden getting a $55M+ max last year from Morey, which we know would have been a poisonous contract. It's never that simple and there are a variety of factors.
Good to know Brown is a bit more popular than I would have thought. I was wrong in that regard.[/QUOTE]
You think the Celtics don't make money?
[QUOTE=tpols;14914483]Us "idiots" made these guys collectively billions of dollars. Without our viewership and money these dudes wouldn't have squat. And that actually makes our opinions matter MORE. We fans are the backbone of the NBA. If everybody tuned out, theyd be nothing.
So of course we idiots matter. We're the only reason the league exists as a profitable enterprise.
And I want to re-iterate... if yall don't beat a healthy Dallas? It doesn't count. It's a joke ring that carries no respect. Nobody will be amazed or bowing their heads in respect like we've had to do for other champions.[/QUOTE]
The Celtics don't know you or care about your existence. Bow your head or scratch your balls, no one cares. The banner will go up in the Garden, the city will have a parade, and the team will be remembered as champions. No one in the team is concerned with whatever 5 bucks or 50 bucks you contribute to their collective wealth.
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No one in the team is concerned with whatever 5 bucks or 50 bucks you contribute to their collective wealth.
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It's way more than that... but if you add it all up across the entire fanbase? Billions of dollars.
No one cares?
:lol
The league wouldn't EXIST if no one cared. And they'd be making no money and this very thread dedicated to a certain players contract wouldn't exist.
You can hang all the banners you want. Certain victories are appreciated more than others.
I give the USA more credit for beating SS Germany in World War 2 than beating up on poor people in Afganistan. You might not. Because you don't know what the word context means.
No one cares.
Playing 3 teams in a row missing their 1st option….. so sad. I just feel sorry for ant or Luka because they are going to get hurt next round
This is almost as weak of a run as the nuggets last year
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14914418]Did you not notice the metric ton of ****ing up Irving did to make himself a nonmax player? You don't see how George and Leonard's injury history changes his value? Brown is starting his prime. Most of the guys you mention are in their thirties and have major problems. The Celtics with Brown have made the Conference finals almost every year and gotten to the finals once in recent history. He was averaging almost 27 points as the second star. You don't jeopardize that because you think that maybe you could get some bench guy for the cap space that actually would not be created if you got him to take 50 mil per instead of 60. Porzingis and Holiday have both gotten big deals since he signed and Tatum is going to get a contract even bigger than his. Why should Brown settle? He is one of the cornerstones to a perennial championship contender.[/QUOTE]
irving also had all the leverage and lowkey the reason he got traded from bkn was he didnt like the contract they offered. George doesnt have that serious an injury history and is all-nba lvl every year. sabonis is young and turned around the kings gobert was the best player on a 1 seed and all-nba multiple times. I ofc dont need to tell you how bad miami is without jimmy. Brown should settle because he's the 2nd guy, 2nd guys dont always deserve the supermax. 27ppg is great he played the best defense this year he had in awhile. Still he's not a perennial all-nba guy like booker or mitchell and you feel iffy giving those guys supermaxes because they're not superstars. Porzingis took a short term deal and only makes 30mil/yr that was a steal and he wouldve gotten more as a free agent even with his injury history. holiday got a lot of yrs but arguably took a discount too. he'll make 30 mil next year. whites extension is coming up we'll see what he gets but if he takes less than 40mil, imo it's a steal. I argue jrue/porzingis of those guys took less than market value why shouldnt brown to win a title? I get where you're coming from but youve also overrated brown for last few years on this board compared to consensus.
Yes you won 64 games. The same core doesnt win 64 games every year, they decline to some extent and your bench surprising people was a small part of that. you're going lose some of those pieces. Horford will age likely cant resign hauser etc. One bench piece like hauser can absolutely be the difference between repeating or not. the nuggets went from champions to a 2nd round exit without bruce brown(there were other factors but this is what happened roster wise). If Murray and mpj werent overpaid yea there's a higher chance they still have him.
Edit: looked at sportrac if brown made a few mil less celtics couldve avoided the 2nd apron next year. That makes a huge difference for team building. No it doesnt create cap space but you can lump a bunch of useless vet mins for a bench guy who plays like the suns did for royce o'neale. suns did that move at deadline because that was last time they could do that deal.
[QUOTE=NBAGOAT;14914510]irving also had all the leverage and lowkey the reason he got traded from bkn was he didnt like the contract they offered.[/QUOTE]If Irving has all this leverage then he gets offered a contract that he would find acceptable. He originally got the max when he signed woth Brooklyn. A long list of crap off the court happened that led to him not being offered the max when the time came to negotiate again, Unexcused or explained absences, the war between him the team and the city over the vaccineand then finally the controversy over the movie ge promoted along with a rough injury history all combined to make it so that no one wanted to pay him. Situation doesn't compare to Brown. If Irving wasn't a problem off the court he would get the max. If he was a free agent right now he likely gets the max. [QUOTE]George doesnt have that serious an injury history and is all-nba lvl every year. sabonis is young and turned around the kings gobert was the best player on a 1 seed and all-nba multiple times. [/QUOTE]Four of the last 5 years George has played under 60 games. Sabonis and the Kings level of success doesn't compare to the Celtics at all. [QUOTE]I ofc dont need to tell you how bad miami is without jimmy.[/QUOTE]Yes and that's why Riley publicly, recently complained about how many games Butler misses when he was discissing the possible deal Butler may get.Butler is what, 8 years older than Brown? Doesn't compare. [QUOTE]Brown should settle because he's the 2nd guy, 2nd guys dont always deserve the supermax. [/QUOTE]If the Celtics were dumb enough not to pay him someone else would have. This is capitalism. What you "deserve" is what you can get paid. [QUOTE]27ppg is great he played the best defense this year he had in awhile. Still he's not a perennial all-nba guy like booker or mitchell and you feel iffy giving those guys supermaxes because they're not superstars. [/QUOTE]He's made All-NBA twice and has in no way declined as a player. You let him go and the Celtics are no longer a Contender while some team like Philly or New York takes him and becomes just as good as if not better than Boston. Star players are actually important.[QUOTE]Porzingis took a short term deal and only makes 30mil/yr that was a steal and he wouldve gotten more as a free agent even with his injury history. holiday got a lot of yrs but arguably took a discount too. he'll make 30 mil next year. whites extension is coming up we'll see what he gets but if he takes less than 40mil, imo it's a steal. I argue jrue/porzingis of those guys took less than market value why shouldnt brown to win a title? I get where you're coming from but youve also overrated brown for last few years on this board compared to consensus.[/QUOTE]So tou feel that JB makes too much money but Derrick White should get 40 mil? Please tell me what team would pay Derrick White 40 mil. I am not even going to argue about that I'm just curious why you think that's happening.
Your "I think KP and Holiday are underpaid so Brown should take less" isn't real logic, it's just bad business.
[QUOTE]Yes you won 64 games. The same core doesnt win 64 games every year, they decline to some extent and your bench surprising people was a small part of that. you're going lose some of those pieces. Horford will age likely cant resign hauser etc. One bench piece like hauser can absolutely be the difference between repeating or not. the nuggets went from champions to a 2nd round exit without bruce brown(there were other factors but this is what happened roster wise). If Murray and mpj werent overpaid yea there's a higher chance they still have him.[/QUOTE]Hauser is signed through 2025.If in a few years some team offers him a deal Boston can't match then he's about to have an incredible season.
[quote]Edit: looked at sportrac if brown made a few mil less celtics couldve avoided the 2nd apron next year. That makes a huge difference for team building. No it doesnt create cap space but you can lump a bunch of useless vet mins for a bench guy who plays like the suns did for royce o'neale. suns did that move at deadline because that was last time they could do that deal.[/QUOTE]It's nice that you're worried about Wyc B rousbeck's money but I assure you he's a wealtjy man. He himself, during a Celtics broadcast, said that any team owner that is not willing to pay Jaylen Brown should not own the Boston Celtics.
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14914523]If Irving has all this leverage then he gets offered a contract that he would find acceptable. He originally got the max when he signed woth Brooklyn. A long list of crap off the court happened that led to him not being offered the max when the time came to negotiate again, Unexcused or explained absences, the war between him the team and the city over the vaccineand then finally the controversy over the movie ge promoted along with a rough injury history all combined to make it so that no one wanted to pay him. Situation doesn't compare to Brown. If Irving wasn't a problem off the court he would get the max. If he was a free agent right now he likely gets the max. Four of the last 5 years George has played under 60 games. Sabonis and the Kings level of success doesn't compare to the Celtics at all. Yes and that's why Riley publicly, recently complained about how many games Butler misses when he was discissing the possible deal Butler may get.Butler is what, 8 years older than Brown? Doesn't compare. If the Celtics were dumb enough not to pay him someone else would have. This is capitalism. What you "deserve" is what you can get paid. He's made All-NBA twice and has in no way declined as a player. You let him go and the Celtics are no longer a Contender while some team like Philly or New York takes him and becomes just as good as if not better than Boston. Star players are actually important.So tou feel that JB makes too much money but Derrick White should get 40 mil? Please tell me what team would pay Derrick White 40 mil. I am not even going to argue about that I'm just curious why you think that's happening.
Your "I think KP and Holiday are underpaid so Brown should take less" isn't real logic, it's just bad business.
Hauser is signed through 2025.If in a few years some team offers him a deal Boston can't match then he's about to have an incredible season.
It's nice that you're worried about Wyc B rousbeck's money but I assure you he's a wealtjy man. He himself, during a Celtics broadcast, said that any team owner that is not willing to pay Jaylen Brown should not own the Boston Celtics.[/QUOTE]
even in half a season dallas was happy with kyrie they're the one who gave him a slight discount not bkn. sure he has his issues but he was an all-nba lvl guy not even getting the 30% max. George only missed playoffs one year and had all-nba impact pretty much every year including top 10 in every impact metric this year. I never said jaylen shouldnt make more than sabonis. I used Sabonis as example because he was only eligible for the 30% max and they negotiated a slight discount. sabonis would have plenty of playoff success too if he had porzingis white and jrue on his team. Butler is 8 years older he's also lead the heat to 2 finals as their clear best player and he's only asking for a 3 year extension.
No one else can pay brown what boston can. He gets 4 yrs with 5% increases in free agency, boston only has to beat that number not their own max extension.
Where did i say he declined?? he's made 2 teams but he's not an all-nba lock every year. Also never said to let him go you haggle over the contract. how do the knicks get him without a trade?
A bunch of teams would trade multiple 1sts for current derrick and extend him for 40mil. lakers would trade dlo and 3 1sts in a heartbeat to name one team. the vets who get around 30mil are guys like porzingis, jrue, cj, jerami grant etc and white's clearly better than them besides porzingis who's underpaid too and more injury prone. Derrick will be getting a huge contract that eclipses holiday's unless white does boston a favor(he might).
If that's not real logic then your logic of jrue and porzingis being on big contracts means jaylen should not take a discount is also not real logic. I dont even agree with your premise that those guys didnt take discounts however.
hauser wont have to be offered that much for the celtics not to be able to match. celtics can only offer him 140% of an average nba salary for an extension. He'll get more in free agency and what are you talking about with matching. he's unrestricted not restricted. It's pretty damn unlikely he resigns especially with boston in 2nd apron. I'm not worried about the owners pocketbook. overpaying guys infringes on how well you can build the rest of the roster. We just seen this with denver and their bench and not being able to resign bruce brown. Overpaying mpj was one cause of that.
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14914487]You think the Celtics don't make money?[/QUOTE]
Boston is going to likely make money regardless of Jaylen Brown. The question and cost analysis remains. The Celtics governors have a business to run and still want higher profits every year, and if you want to trade him, the next team does the same cost risk analysis on his incoming contract.
There's 3-4 players at most that have the value of a super max. It is one of the worst additions to the NBA, it crushes the income that the rest of the "team" can actually earn.
[QUOTE=NBAGOAT;14914532]even in half a season dallas was happy with kyrie they're the one who gave him a slight discount not bkn. sure he has his issues but he was an all-nba lvl guy not even getting the 30% max. George only missed playoffs one year and had all-nba impact pretty much every year including top 10 in every impact metric this year. I never said jaylen shouldnt make more than sabonis. I used Sabonis as example because he was only eligible for the 30% max and they negotiated a slight discount. sabonis would have plenty of playoff success too if he had porzingis white and jrue on his team. Butler is 8 years older he's also lead the heat to 2 finals as their clear best player and he's only asking for a 3 year extension.[/QUOTE] You pay players for what they will do not what they have done. Of course Riley won't want to hand Butler 60 mil a year when he's 36 when he's missing a ton of games and similar logic applies to Paul George except that unlike Butler you don't have postseason greatness to be grateful for so there's even less reason for a big payday. History tells us that these are guys that probably won't play 65 games.
I am bored with rehashing Irving's history. If you want to think there's no difference between what he did with/to the Nets and Brown helping the Celtics make conference finals five times that's your business.
[QUOTE]No one else can pay brown what boston can. He gets 4 yrs with 5% increases in free agency, boston only has to beat that number not their own max extension.[/QUOTE] But if you don't pay him supermax he is likely to feel slighted and may well decide he wants to find a team where he's the undisputed franchise player or that he has a better shot at a championship with a great big like Embiid, wants to go home to ATL. Any number of things could effect his decision if the Celtics don't show him that they value him at the highest level.
[QUOTE]Where did i say he declined?? he's made 2 teams but he's not an all-nba lock every year. Also never said to let him go you haggle over the contract. how do the knicks get him without a trade?[/QUOTE]I am pointing out that he didn't decline to illustrate the flaw in making a big deal over whether or not he is AllNBA one particular year. Last season he was 2nd team. Is he any worse now or did his stats take a hit because he's surrounded by talent?
[QUOTE]A bunch of teams would trade multiple 1sts for current derrick and extend him for 40mil. lakers would trade dlo and 3 1sts in a heartbeat to name one team. the vets who get around 30mil are guys like porzingis, jrue, cj, jerami grant etc and white's clearly better than them besides porzingis who's underpaid too and more injury prone. Derrick will be getting a huge contract that eclipses holiday's unless white does boston a favor(he might).[/QUOTE] The idea that White is worth 40 mil while Brown is overpaid is amusing to me. Moving on.
[QUOTE]If that's not real logic then your logic of jrue and porzingis being on big contracts means jaylen should not take a discount is also not real logic. I dont even agree with your premise that those guys didnt take discounts however.[/QUOTE]I didn't say they took discounts. I don't know who would be offering them a lot more as free agents. What I do know is that Brown has no reason to care what they get paid while his agent negotiates max dollars.
[QUOTE]hauser wont have to be offered that much for the celtics not to be able to match. celtics can only offer him 140% of an average nba salary for an extension. He'll get more in free agency and what are you talking about with matching. he's unrestricted not restricted. It's pretty damn unlikely he resigns especially with boston in 2nd apron. I'm not worried about the owners pocketbook. overpaying guys infringes on how well you can build the rest of the roster. We just seen this with denver and their bench and not being able to resign bruce brown. Overpaying mpj was one cause of that.[/QUOTE] You have this strange idea that the Celtics are hurting for money. Groesbeck paid 360 mil for the team. It's currently worth 4.7 billion with annual revenue of 443 million. And that's likely just how they report their numbers for tax purposes.
[QUOTE=beasted;14914553]Boston is going to likely make money regardless of Jaylen Brown. The question and cost analysis remains. The Celtics governors have a business to run and still want higher profits every year, and if you want to trade him, the next team does the same cost risk analysis on his incoming contract.[/QUOTE]
Do you think the Celtics governors are unaware of what Brown is being paid? That they made a mistake or that Bad Stevens is sneakily getting them to sign checks they don't see?