PResidential Rankings on a tier list

Let's go on ahead and rank the President's on a tier list

Rule 1 - you can only for 5 in S this is your top five
Rule 2 - Every tier has to be even so you 8 in each row

S - Washington, Lincoln, T. Roosevelt, FDR, Kennedy
A - Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Polk, Coolidge, Truman, Eisenhower, Obama
B - Adams, Quincy Adams, Grant, Arthur, Cleveland, Taft, LBJ, Biden
C - W. Harrison, Taylor, Garfield, Carter, Ford, Reagan, HW Bush, Clinton
D - Van Buren, Tyler, Fillmore, Hayes, Benjamin Harrison, Harding, Nixon, Trump
F - Jackson, Pierce, Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, McKinely, Wilson, Hoover, George W Bush

Four out of the top Five are easy, the Roosevelts, Washington and Lincoln. The fifth spot is tricky it's between Kennedy, Eisenhower, and Jefferson.

For A tier, I'm going to put Obama and Coolidge in for taking over terrible administrations and correcting the issues. The Sedition Act knocks John Adams down to B but I'll keep Madison and Monroe at A. Polk is number 2 President when it came to expanding the US and I'll give the final spot in A to Truman for the end of WWII over LBJ and his handling of the Vietnam War.

Quincy Adams is an A political figure but his presidency was filled with gridlock. Still set the foundation for future presidents. Grant underrated while he had corruption in his adminstration he also did the best job with reconstruction. Taft, Arthur, and Celevand were all solid presidents...the fact that they brought Cleveland back after Harrison's terrible administration says a lot. It's early to tell with Biden but I'd give him a solid B, history might push him up to an A.

The C tier was the mid-range guys, so I put the three guys that died in office here (Garfield, Taylor, and Harrison). Bush, Carter, and Ford all had short term presidencies that were failures but nothing that ranks him in the D or F tier. Clinton and Reagan are both mixed bag presidencies you had really good and really bad parts. I also had Nixon here who had better highs but he still resigned so Watergate and the racism knocks him down to D.

D tier Harding, Nixon, and Trump are here for their corruption. Hayes is here because of his work against reconstruction, Fillmore for the fugitive slave act, Tyler gave us Texas but he was also a pretty bad president. Harrison is here for his foreign policy issues. Van Buren is here because of the Jackson administration and his role in the Panic of 1837 that he caused.

F tier Pierce and Buchanan are here because of the Civil, Pierce was I believe drunk and completely broken during his entire run after the decapitation of his son. W was to me the worst President of my lifetime, between 9/11, the Iraq war (which led to ISIS), and Katrina to go along with the recession based on his policies. Hoover is here for his botching of the Great Depression. McKinley and Wilson for basically killing reconstruction and terrible foreign policy issues. And Johnson's failures at the end of the Civil War caused reconstruction to go on for way to long

What if I think they should all be in F?

Why is Jackson F tier?

JFK was in office too briefly to be considered S tier.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14930268][B]Why is Jackson F tier?[/B]

JFK was in office too briefly to be considered S tier.[/QUOTE]
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears[/url]

[QUOTE=RRR3;14930269][url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears[/url][/QUOTE]

[video=youtube;1nq7iinuDd4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nq7iinuDd4[/video]

One thing OP did get right was having Wilson as F tier because of the federal reserve.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14930268]Why is Jackson F tier?

JFK was in office too briefly to be considered S tier.[/QUOTE]

In my opinion I would have Jackson as the worst president for three reasons.

1. His administration changed the policy of retention so now every administration has to put new people in office as opposed to keeping the same heads. This caused what was 6 very strong presidents before him that did a lot to establish the country that came to an end during his administration.

2. The Panic of 1837 was our first financial crisis, We got it worst than most other countries because Jackson didn't want a central bank and we needed it.

3. Indian Removal Act, he ran a death march it was genocide that killed thousands at the start and millions over time. It's the worst thing in American history in my opinion.

[QUOTE=John8204;14930272]In my opinion I would have Jackson as the worst president for three reasons.

1. His administration changed the policy of retention so now every administration has to put new people in office as opposed to keeping the same heads. This caused what was 6 very strong presidents before him that did a lot to establish the country that came to an end during his administration.

2. The Panic of 1837 was our first financial crisis, We got it worst than most other countries because Jackson didn't want a central bank and we needed it.

3. Indian Removal Act, he ran a death march it was genocide that killed thousands at the start and millions over time. It's the worst thing in American history in my opinion.[/QUOTE]

Did you know Jackson is the only president in history to pay off the national debt? He knew the dangers of these asshole bankers and now this country is basically run by them.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14930273]Did you know Jackson is the only president in history to pay off the national debt? He knew the dangers of these asshole bankers and now this country is basically run by them.[/QUOTE]

Yeah he paid off the debt in 32 and the economy collapsed in 37....his short term thinking did major long term damage to the country. If we look at US economic history the Panic of 37, Depression, and W's administration are the top three worst things that happened in US history.

While the guys before him ran up debt they also y'know built the country. The Jackson/Van Buren led to us having one good President (Polk) for 30 years.

And then you have the whole genocide thing

Putting Kennedy S tier is almost as bad as you putting Shaq below Stockton all-time. Almost.

Good to know your takes are atrocious in other subjects outside of sports as well. At least you're consistent

[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;14930295]Putting Kennedy S tier is almost as bad as you putting Shaq below Stockton all-time. Almost.

Good to know your takes are atrocious in other subjects outside of sports as well. At least you're consistent[/QUOTE]

Pushed the Civil Rights Act
Set our Moon Mission
Stopped us from going to war with Russia during the Cuban missile crisis

So yeah I'm okay putting Kennedy at top 5

[B][U][I]I'd love to see your own list.[/I][/U][/B]

What was Shaq's head to head record against Stockton in the playoffs again?

[QUOTE=John8204;14930301]Pushed the Civil Rights Act
Set our Moon Mission
Stopped us from going to war with Russia during the Cuban missile crisis

So yeah I'm okay putting Kennedy at top 5

I'd love to see your own list.

[B]What was Shaq's head to head record against Stockton in the playoffs again?[/B][/QUOTE]
You actually do seem genuine with your thread here, but your basketball takes can only be construed as trolling.

S - Washington, Lincoln, T. Roosevelt, JFK, Trump
A - Jefferson, Madison, Truman, FDR, Eisenhower, Adams, Monroe, Reagan
B - Polk, Coolidge, Grant, Quincy Adams, Arthur, Cleveland, W. Harrison, Taft
C - B. Harrison, Taylor, HW Bush, Clinton, Nixon, Hayes, Harding, Ford
D - Fillmore, Wilson, Pierce, Van Buren, Tyler, LBJ, Garfield, Hoover
F - Jackson, Buchanan, A. Johnson, McKinley, Carter, Bush Jr, Obama, Biden

LOL @ having Obama anywhere but the bottom. Dude was the first DEI hire.

[QUOTE=JohnnySic;14930304]S - Washington, Lincoln, T. Roosevelt, JFK, Trump
A - Jefferson, Madison, Truman, FDR, Eisenhower, Adams, Monroe, Reagan
B - Polk, Coolidge, Grant, Quincy Adams, Arthur, Cleveland, W. Harrison, Taft
C - W, Harrison, Taylor, HW Bush, Clinton, Nixon, Hayes, Harding, Ford
D - Fillmore, B. Harrison, Pierce, Van Buren, Tyler, LBJ, Garfield, Hoover
F - Jackson, Buchanan, A. Johnson, McKinley, Wilson, Carter, Obama, Biden

LOL @ having Obama anywhere but the bottom. Dude was the first DEI fire.[/QUOTE]

i see you are still on cloud nine. When r u going off the drugs u r on ?

[QUOTE=JohnnySic;14930304]Dude was the first DEI hire.[/QUOTE]

damn that's brutal.

[QUOTE=JohnnySic;14930304]S - Washington, Lincoln, T. Roosevelt, JFK, Trump
A - Jefferson, Madison, Truman, FDR, Eisenhower, Adams, Monroe, Reagan
B - Polk, Coolidge, Grant, Quincy Adams, Arthur, Cleveland, W. Harrison, Taft
C - W, Harrison, Taylor, HW Bush, Clinton, Nixon, Hayes, Harding, Ford
D - Fillmore, B. Harrison, Pierce, Van Buren, Tyler, LBJ, Garfield, Hoover
F - Jackson, Buchanan, A. Johnson, McKinley, Wilson, Carter, Obama, Biden

LOL @ having Obama anywhere but the bottom. Dude was the first DEI fire.[/QUOTE]

The Obama presidency has aged well in my eyes. Obamacare curtailed the monstrous healthcare crisis that was coming. His foreign policy opened up Cuba and Iran which is working out for one and not the other. His economic policy while increasing the debt we did recover from the Bush administration and his energy policy crippled countries like Venezuela and Russia. You must of forgotten when gas prices where over five dollars a gallon. He also killed Osama Bin Laden.

Any case or argument against Biden or Obama isn't really going to be based on facts which is what's important to me.

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14930302]You actually do seem genuine with your thread here, but your basketball takes can only be construed as trolling.[/QUOTE]

I've always been willing to talk about any take I've ever had. This is a discussion forum the point of this place is discussion. I'm more than willing to talk to anyone about anything with an open mind. Do you think maybe you should just kinda let it go that I don't think highly of Shaq? Is it really that crazy to accept that people who saw this stuff first hand might have different takes than you?

[QUOTE=John8204;14930301]Pushed the Civil Rights Act
Set our Moon Mission
Stopped us from going to war with Russia during the Cuban missile crisis

So yeah I'm okay putting Kennedy at top 5

[B][U][I]I'd love to see your own list.[/I][/U][/B]

What was Shaq's head to head record against Stockton in the playoffs again?[/QUOTE]

It took a seasoned politician in LBJ to actually get it to pass. Under JFK it never would've passed, his approval rating was dropping massively by late 63 and it was a toss-up if he'd have actually been reelected.

Lol @ thinking 2 years in office where he had to clean up his own mess with the CMC is top 5 worthy. You're like a little kid.

[QUOTE=diamenz;14930307]damn that's brutal.[/QUOTE]

Do you believe that to be true? Just out of curiosity.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14930332]Do you believe that to be true? Just out of curiosity.[/QUOTE]

there's certainly truth to it.

how many young or new voters came out in 07 to vote for our first black president, 100% based on race? quite a many, i imagine.

...wouldn't you agree?

[QUOTE=diamenz;14930335]there's certainly truth to it.

how many young or new voters came out in 07 to vote for our first black president, 100% based on race? quite a many, i imagine.

...wouldn't you agree?[/QUOTE]
But that would imply anyone who isn't a white Christian male that achieves anything of note in politics didn't do so of their own volition, that it was [I]always[/I] due to their race, religion or gender.

Say what you want about his tenure as president, but Obama was a young, charismatic candidate and a very talented speaker. If being black was all it took to be president, Corey Booker would be our current commander in chief.

Sure, I think it helped Obama to be black, but he still had to earn his way past Hillary in the primary, who was basically preordained the nomination before campaigning even started. But chalking him becoming president up solely to being black is definitely inaccurate, and equating it to Kamala's situation is straight up retarded :lol

[QUOTE=John8204;14930263]For A tier, I'm going to put Obama[/QUOTE]

This ****ing guy :facepalm

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;14930363]This ****ing guy :facepalm[/QUOTE]

Who are your top five presidents and bottom 8 ones Pat?

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14930349]But that would imply anyone who isn't a white Christian male that achieves anything of note in politics didn't do so of their own volition, that it was [I]always[/I] due to their race, religion or gender.

Say what you want about his tenure as president, but Obama was a young, charismatic candidate and a very talented speaker. If being black was all it took to be president, Corey Booker would be our current commander in chief.

Sure, I think it helped Obama to be black, but he still had to earn his way past Hillary in the primary, who was basically preordained the nomination before campaigning even started. But chalking him becoming president up solely to being black is definitely inaccurate, and equating it to Kamala's situation is straight up retarded :lol[/QUOTE]

that's why i limited my answer to "there's certainly truth to it".

The black vote is the most overrated thing in politics. Not only do blacks vote in small percentages but all of the blacks in the US are in the deep south which is ruby red. The only place I can seen it mattering is Georgia and maybe N. Carolina. Either way Obama would have won without the black vote.

[QUOTE=Off the Court;14930414]The black vote is the most overrated thing in politics. Not only do blacks vote in small percentages but all of the blacks in the US are in the deep south which is ruby red. The only place I can seen it mattering is Georgia and maybe N. Carolina. Either way Obama would have won without the black vote.[/QUOTE]but to Soubeach’s point, saying Obama only won because of the black vote is like saying all the straight, white, Christian presidents only win because of the wasp vote.

[QUOTE=j3lademaster;14930416]but to Soubeach’s point, saying Obama only won because of the black vote is like saying all the straight, white, Christian presidents only win because of the wasp vote.[/QUOTE]
Diamenz literally admitted he's racist (like he straight up said he doesn't like black people), idk why anyone listens to him.

[QUOTE=John8204;14930301]Pushed the Civil Rights Act
Set our Moon Mission
Stopped us from going to war with Russia during the Cuban missile crisis

So yeah I'm okay putting Kennedy at top 5

[B][U][I]I'd love to see your own list.[/I][/U][/B]

What was Shaq's head to head record against Stockton in the playoffs again?[/QUOTE]I guess we give credit to JFK for the space race? Even though our technology was headed that direction no matter who is president, and we have been gathering the best talent in the world because of the new deal to help us reach that point.

Other than that he got a lot of credit for civil rights legs passed under Lyndon Johnson, and he didn’t get blamed for the Nam debacle because he got assassinated. Vietnam kept going and going because it allowed him to fund tax dollars into military spending and line the pockets of defense contractors. You can argue it’s what ballooned the corruption into what it is today. He also cut taxes for the wealthy during this time of increased deficit spending.

Overall, just putting a guy who only served 2.5 years in the top 5 is weird.

[QUOTE=j3lademaster;14930423]I guess we give credit to JFK for the space race? Even though our technology was headed that direction no matter who is president, and we have been gathering the best talent in the world because of the new deal to help us reach that point.

Other than that he got a lot of credit for civil rights legs passed under Lyndon Johnson, and he didn’t get blamed for the Nam debacle because he got assassinated. Vietnam kept going and going because it allowed him to fund tax dollars into military spending and line the pockets of defense contractors. You can argue it’s what ballooned the corruption into what it is today. He also cut taxes for the wealthy during this time of increased deficit spending.

Overall, just putting a guy who only served 2.5 years in the top 5 is weird.[/QUOTE]

Vietnam is tricky to blame on Kennedy, the situation was under control in the early 60's. We had only lost dozens of men and the war was winnable. The shift didn't really happen until LBJ committed half a million men to just try and decimate the region. And we also don't know who in the US ordered the assassination of Diem and the failed coup. If that was Johnson, Kennedy, or McNamara.

Who do you replace Kennedy with though...Eisenhower had Korea and China falling under his watch and he started US support of Vietnam during his regime. I guess you could go with Jefferson but he did play a big part in the War of 1812

[QUOTE=diamenz;14930335]there's certainly truth to it.

how many young or new voters came out in 07 to vote for our first black president, 100% based on race? quite a many, i imagine.

...wouldn't you agree?[/QUOTE]

It perhaps helped account for the massive victory, but I think any democratic candidate would have won the presidency in 08 after the shitshow that was the Bush administration. Of those candidates, Obama was certainly among the most, if not THE most qualified, intelligent, and charismatic.

Using "DEI hire" implies that he received the position over more qualified candidates because he was black. I don't believe that to be true.

[QUOTE=John8204;14930375]Who are your top five presidents and bottom 8 ones Pat?[/QUOTE]

There’s been too many Presidents to give you a list like that. Considering none of us were alive with the exception of Jasper to witness a majority of these guys in office.

Top 5 List:

Washington
Lincoln
Teddy Roosevelt
Ronald Reagan
Donald Trump

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;14930506]

Top 5 List:

Donald Trump[/QUOTE]

TDS

[QUOTE=Off the Court;14930522]TDS[/QUOTE]
I kid you not, he once wrote out a post fantasizing about Trump having sex with Melania on the Oval Office desk.

[QUOTE=RRR3;14930524]I kid you not, he once wrote out a post fantasizing about Trump having sex with Melania on the Oval Office desk.[/QUOTE]

Find that post please. Otherwise quit lying you pedo.

[QUOTE=fatrick "6 alts" chewing]look at all these white knights here

You can almost bet your last dollar these guys are the real deviants too.

At the risk of being called an alt again, PC is right, no one is saying what The Mailman did was right. But by definition he is not a pedophile. Every definition of pedophile mentions puberty or prepubescence. Obviously she was a bleeder or she wouldn't have gotten pregnant duh. Add in the fact he was basically a teenager himself, and it's not anything super crazy. Wrong but not, "Wow. He's a monster!"

We are not biological drawn to a certain age. If a female has the curves of a JLo, I don't care if you tell me she's 2 years old, I'm attracted to her. I don't do anything out of respect that she's probably not competent to consent and it's highly illegal but if she has very womanly curves, we can't help but notice and are attracted, even if it's something we push to the back of our mind. Any red blooded male here who tells you different is lying. Low Ts and homos might not though.[/QUOTE]

I don't remember exactly what you said so I can't find it but I did find THIS :eek:

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?515716-Epstein-List-to-be-released-today/page6[/url]

[QUOTE=RRR3;14930536]I don't remember exactly what you said so I can't find it but I did find THIS :eek:

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?515716-Epstein-List-to-be-released-today/page6[/url][/QUOTE]

Yeah I’m not Media Moderator you dumbass. Give it a rest.

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;14930538]Yeah I’m not Media Moderator you dumbass. Give it a rest.[/QUOTE]
No one believes that, fats, that account only shows up when you need backup. Just like LLL3 and TeflonDonTrump...

Chewing has said repeatedly he would murder and die for Trump and that is about as tribal and deranged as it can get.

[QUOTE=RRR3;14930540]No one believes that, fats, that account only shows up when you need backup. Just like LLL3 and TeflonDonTrump...[/QUOTE]

You’re only accusing me of being someone else because you want to make it seem that there aren’t that many people that actually despise you on this site. But I’m here to tell you, there ARE that many people and plenty more that despise you.

[QUOTE=Off the Court;14930543]Chewing has said repeatedly he would murder and die for Trump and that is about as tribal and deranged as it can get.[/QUOTE]

I want to save the world from Liberalism and Islam. These two things are the Devil’s handy work.

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;14930544]You’re only accusing me of being someone else because you want to make it seem that there aren’t that many people that actually despise you on this site. But I’m here to tell you, there ARE that many people and plenty more that despise you.[/QUOTE]
Nah, I'm aware there are plenty of conservatives here besides you, I can just recognize the accounts that are obviously you. You aren't good at hiding it, fats.