Lebron has 4 gold medals and 6 silver medals.

This is the right framing on "finals recordings". It's always cringe when Lebron haters act like his finals record is somehow a negative on his resume :lol. Lebron in reality has 4 gold medals, 6 silver medals. It is NOT better to miss than finals than to lose in the finals.

By the way, "gold medals" need to have a FMVP with it. So let's look at the results below.

MJ: 6 gold medals
Lebron: 4 gold medals, 6 silver medals
Shaq: 3 gold medals, 2 silver medals
Duncan: 3 gold medals, 1 silver medal
Magic: 3 gold medals, 4 silver medals
Kareem: 2 gold medals, 4 silver medals
Kobe: 2 gold medals, 2 silver medals
Bird: 2 gold medals, 2 silver medals
Durant: 2 gold medals, 1 silver medal
Curry: 1 gold medal, 2 silver medals

[QUOTE=jayfan;14940755]Yet still, 6 gold medals looks better than 4 golds & 6 silver.


.[/QUOTE]

Maybe, maybe not. I generally agree with you.

How about this.

What is better out of the below options.

Option 1: 6 Gold Medals
Option 2: 6 Gold Medals, 2 Silver Medals.

I like the idea that losing in the finals as favorites can be masked as a "silver" win.

Stupid comparison.

If you finish 2nd in the Olympics, you get a silver medal.

If you lose the NBA finals, you get nothing.

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Better to play for Gold than watching on TV.

LeBron has 3 golds, 1 bronze in the olympics.

Jordan has 2.


LeBron also better olympic performer and olympic MVP at age 39.


LeBron is a vastly better performer in he olympics vs tougher competition than Jordan was.




Jordan worship is 100% nostalgia at this point.

Imagine having the best second option in the history of the sport.....

And being a perennial play in guy with him.

And imagine stanning a guy who has the most choke jobs in the history of the sport.

:lebroncry:

[QUOTE=Full Court;14940769]Imagine having the best second option in the history of the sport.....

And being a perennial play in guy with him.

And imagine stanning a guy who has the most choke jobs in the history of the sport.

:lebroncry:[/QUOTE]
I don't think OP's a Wilt stan.

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14940771]I don't think OP's a Wilt stan.[/QUOTE]
:oldlol:

[QUOTE=Nowoco;14940761]Stupid comparison.

If you finish 2nd in the Olympics, you get a silver medal.

If you lose the NBA finals, you get nothing.

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It's to represent a second place finish and how finishing second is not a "negative" lol. Guess you are too dumb to understand.

[QUOTE=Airupthere;14940758]I like the idea that losing in the finals as favorites can be masked as a "silver" win.[/QUOTE]

2nd place is 2nd place :confusedshrug:

Obviously WINNING is the ideal outcome, but getting second place is better than missing the finals completely.

[QUOTE=Axe;14940773]:oldlol:[/QUOTE]

What up, stinkpot?

:lebronamazed:

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14940771]I don't think OP's a Wilt stan.[/QUOTE]

It was primarily directed toward that insecure Canadian 8ball.

Also, they didn't have the play in tourney back when Wilt played. FYI.

[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14940775]2nd place is 2nd place :confusedshrug:

Obviously WINNING is the ideal outcome, but getting [B]second place is better than missing the finals completely.[/B][/QUOTE]

I've never seen anyone ever try to dispute that. It's a straw man argument created by Bronies. :confusedshrug:

However, one finals WIN is worth more than an infinite number of second places.

[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14940774]It's to represent a second place finish and how finishing second is not a "negative" lol. Guess you are too dumb to understand.[/QUOTE]
I remember John8204 telling in another thread about preferring a team making the finals multiple times and not winning over a team appearing to win the title and not appear again. To each his own, i guess[url=https://i.ibb.co/JmpGnKz/IMG-20230528-095117.jpg].[/url]

[QUOTE=Full Court;14940783]I've never seen anyone ever try to dispute that. It's a straw man argument created by Bronies. :confusedshrug:

However, one finals WIN is worth more than an infinite number of second places.[/QUOTE]

It's not a strawman, it's probably a top-3 "go to" point for Lebron haters. They try their hardest to make it seem like going 4-6 in the finals is some colossal failure in Lebron's career :lol

How do we account for a weak conference? Was Cleveland truly the second-best team in 2007? Of course not!

[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;14940792]How do we account for a weak conference? Was Cleveland truly the second-best team in 2007? Of course not![/QUOTE]

Do you want to go that route every single year? Feel free to try that exercise every year since 1970 and post your results on ISH.

[QUOTE=Nowoco;14940761]Stupid comparison.

If you finish 2nd in the Olympics, you get a silver medal.

If you lose the NBA finals, you get nothing.

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That's weird, I guess they take back the conference championship trophy and celebration if you lose the finals?

Good insight

[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14940788]It's not a strawman, it's probably a top-3 "go to" point for Lebron haters. They try their hardest to make it seem like going 4-6 in the finals is some colossal failure in Lebron's career :lol[/QUOTE]

Show me one person that's ever claimed that it's better not to make it to the finals than to lose the finals. Just one person.









Hint: you can't.





And by the way, when you say "not six...not seven....." then yes, it's a colossal failure. And when you have the biggest finals choke in the history of the sport, you can't be the GOAT. Sorry, but that's just the truth - hurt as it may.

Iguodala: 1 gold medal, 3 silver medals

[QUOTE=iamgine;14940818]Iguodala: 1 gold medal, 3 silver medals[/QUOTE]

:rockon:

[QUOTE=Full Court;14940810]Show me one person that's ever claimed that it's better not to make it to the finals than to lose the finals. Just one person.









Hint: you can't.





And by the way, when you say "not six...not seven....." then yes, it's a colossal failure. And when you have the biggest finals choke in the history of the sport, you can't be the GOAT. Sorry, but that's just the truth - hurt as it may.[/QUOTE]

It's been said millions of times on social media and even ISH itself. I'm sure you yourself have tried to paint Lebron going 4-6 in the finals as this awful, resume killing thing. I would say "quit acting dumb" but you just are dumb so...

[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14940788]It's not a strawman, it's probably a top-3 "go to" point for Lebron haters. They try their hardest to make it seem like going 4-6 in the finals is some colossal failure in Lebron's career :lol[/QUOTE]

You're talking about guys who still build their arguments with stone tools in 2024 though. It's only really an issue when someone is being disingenuous and try to equate rings to level of play, assuming you can't have possibly have had an all time great year without winning the finals. Or played at a higher level than someone who managed to win another season. Maybe next they will discover fire.....

[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14940835]It's been said millions of times on social media and even ISH itself. I'm sure you yourself have tried to paint Lebron going 4-6 in the finals as this awful, resume killing thing. I would say "quit acting dumb" but you just are dumb so...[/QUOTE]

Yes, he massively underachieved. When you lose the finals as a favorite with home court advantage due to the star choking, that adds context. You can try to sugar coat it all you want, but the dude underachieved.

Bronies have no counter to that except to create a straw man and try to twist that into someone saying it's better to not make the finals. That's just silly, and you know it.

Now, again, show me someone who's claimed that it's better to not make the finals.




Hint: you can't.

[QUOTE=Full Court;14940840]Yes, he massively underachieved. When you lose the finals as a favorite with home court advantage due to the star choking, that adds context. You can try to sugar coat it all you want, but the dude underachieved.

Bronies have no counter to that except to create a straw man and try to twist that into someone saying it's better to not make the finals. That's just silly, and you know it.

Now, again, show me someone who's claimed that it's better to not make the finals.




Hint: you can't.[/QUOTE]

How has Lebron massively underachieved? He has 4 FMVPs, second most all time.

He literally lost one finals as the favorite, which was 2011. And he deserves tons of criticism for that because he played poorly in that 2011 series.

It's hilarious that you are saying "no one misrepresents Lebron's finals performances" and yet you are literally doing that in your own posts :oldlol:

[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14940845]How has Lebron massively underachieved? He has 4 FMVPs, second most all time.

He literally lost one finals as the favorite, which was 2011. And he deserves tons of criticism for that because he played poorly in that 2011 series.

It's hilarious that you are saying "no one misrepresents Lebron's finals performances" and yet you are literally doing that in your own posts :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

You put quotation marks around something I literally didn't say. :roll:

See, all you can do is try to twist the arguments of Lebron critics. Fact is, he didn't meet expectations. He himself claimed he'd win eight titles.

But that aside - the argument his critics put forward is that you Bronies give him way to MUCH credit for making it TO the finals when he had an incredibly easy road there in the Weak East for many of his finals....only to then lose on the big stage. That is a sound argument. NOBODY has EVER said or implied it would have been better for him to have gotten eliminated in the first round in the Weak East (like he did in the West by Phoenix and Denver :lebronamazed:). But surely you know that's not what was meant and are just trying to twist things in your favor. Or are you guys really that dumb.......?

[QUOTE=Full Court;14940848]You put quotation marks around something I literally didn't say. :roll:

See, all you can do is try to twist the arguments of Lebron critics. Fact is, he didn't meet expectations. He himself claimed he'd win eight titles.

But that aside - the argument his critics put forward is that you Bronies give him way to MUCH credit for making it TO the finals when he had an incredibly easy road there in the Weak East for many of his finals....only to then lose on the big stage. That is a sound argument. NOBODY has EVER said or implied it would have been better for him to have gotten eliminated in the first round in the Weak East (like he did in the West by Phoenix and Denver :lebronamazed:). But surely you know that's not what was meant and are just trying to twist things in your favor. Or are you guys really that dumb.......?[/QUOTE]

Bro TONS of Lebron haters think Lebron going 4-6 in the finals is the WORST thing about him. Having a "losing record" in the finals and claim its some kind of huge failure.

Even you said he massively underachieved by "only" winning 4 rings/4 FMVPs.

Either way, the guy has 4 1st place finishes and 6 second place finishes. I agree he should've at least won 2011 however. Either way it's still insanely impressive.

[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14940849]Bro TONS of Lebron haters think Lebron going 4-6 in the finals is the WORST thing about him. Having a "losing record" in the finals and claim its some kind of huge failure.

Even you said he massively underachieved by "only" winning 4 rings/4 FMVPs.

Either way, the guy has 4 1st place finishes and 6 second place finishes. I agree he should've at least won 2011 however. Either way it's still insanely impressive.[/QUOTE]

The worst thing about Lebron is his choking, not his finals record....

And yes, I agree that his finals record is enough to get him in the top ten of all time.

But what we've demonstrated here is that you can't show a single instance of someone claiming it's better to not make the finals. Which makes the entire premise of this thread invalid.

You're welcome.

[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14940849]Bro TONS of Lebron haters think Lebron going 4-6 in the finals is the WORST thing about him. Having a "losing record" in the finals and claim its some kind of huge failure.

Even you said he massively underachieved by "only" winning 4 rings/4 FMVPs.

Either way, the guy has 4 1st place finishes and 6 second place finishes. I agree he should've at least won 2011 however. Either way it's still insanely impressive.[/QUOTE]

When you put yourself in the GOAT debate, there is an inherent high expectation that comes with it. Lebron has played in a number of loaded teams (a lot of which he handpicked), and the benefit of a weak conference. But the ability to play consistently when the stakes are highest (finals), is a huge mark of a great player.

[QUOTE=Full Court;14940851]The worst thing about Lebron is his choking, not his finals record....

And yes, I agree that his finals record is enough to get him in the top ten of all time.

But what we've demonstrated here is that you can't show a single instance of someone claiming it's better to not make the finals. Which makes the entire premise of this thread invalid.

You're welcome.[/QUOTE]

Ah I forgot you are just a troll. Weren't you the guy who initially had Kobe, Shaq, and Lebron outside of the top ten?

[QUOTE=Gudo;14940852]When you put yourself in the GOAT debate, there is an inherent high expectation that comes with it. Lebron has played in a number of loaded teams (a lot of which he handpicked), and the benefit of a weak conference. But the ability to play consistently when the stakes are highest (finals), is a huge mark of a great player.[/QUOTE]

Exactly.

It's like Team USA winning silver or bronze. Nobody would be happy with that.

GOATs have different expectations and MJ was the Gold standard by far without team hopping every couple years in his prime with tons of star talent... and then still losing more than he won while doing that.

[QUOTE=Gudo;14940852]When you put yourself in the GOAT debate, there is an inherent high expectation that comes with it. Lebron has played in a number of loaded teams (a lot of which he handpicked), and the benefit of a weak conference. But the ability to play consistently when the stakes are highest (finals), is a huge mark of a great player.[/QUOTE]

I agree the standards are high. 10 finals, 4 rings, 4 FMVP, 4 MVPs, 20 all-nba teams. Only MJ has a better resume in the 3 point era.

[QUOTE=tpols;14940855]Exactly.

It's like Team USA winning silver or bronze. Nobody would be happy with that.

GOATs have different expectations and MJ was the Gold standard by far without team hopping every couple years in his prime with tons of star talent... and then still losing more than he won while doing that.[/QUOTE]

Everyone loses more than they won. Remember all those times MJ lost BEFORE the finals?

I love how the Lebron haters are just proving my point while trying to say I am wrong. Tpols right here claiming "lebron lost more than he won". This is the illogical "Framing" of Lebron's resume, particularly the 4-6 finals record. The haters TRY to make it seem like going 4-6 in the finals is a "bad" thing. Making the finals itself as the best player on your team is a huge accomplishment no matter how you slice it.

Somehow Lebron having the second most "golds" in the 3-point era is still "losing" in their minds.

[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14940857]Everyone loses more than they won. Remember all those times MJ lost BEFORE the finals?

I love how the Lebron haters are just proving my point while trying to say I am wrong. Tpols right here claiming "lebron lost more than he won". This is the illogical "Framing" of Lebron's resume, particularly the 4-6 finals record. The haters TRY to make it seem like going 4-6 in the finals is a "bad" thing. Making the finals itself as the best player on your team is a huge accomplishment no matter how you slice it.

Somehow Lebron having the second most "golds" in the 3-point era is still "losing" in their minds.[/QUOTE]

People on both sides of the issue tend to make overly-simplistic one-liners. "1-9 hehehe" or "4/10 hehehe."

That doesn't change the fact that when you look at the overall context, Lebron has underachieved. And that too is relative, because he's still one of the all time greats. But when you compare him to the other all time greats, nobody else has as many egregious choke jobs as he does. For example, in 2008 he had an epic choke job against the Celtics in the conference finals - something that doesn't get talked about much due to being overshadowed by his greatest-choke-job-of-all-time in 2011. That 2008 playoffs loss was DEFINITELY worse than if he had made it to the finals and lost there.

It's about expectations. When you're expected to win, and you blow it, it's a black mark. Like it or not. If you go to a super team (not to mention make a documentary trying to sugar coat it), claim you're going to win eight titles, then go on to have the worst choke job of all time and ultimately only end up winning two, most people are going to consider that underachievement.

We've already established that you do not consider it underachievement, but your supporting argument lacks any context. It boils down to "silver medals are still pretty good." Ok....sure.

[QUOTE=Full Court;14940861]People on both sides of the issue tend to make overly-simplistic one-liners. "1-9 hehehe" or "4/10 hehehe."

That doesn't change the fact that when you look at the overall context, Lebron has underachieved. And that too is relative, because he's still one of the all time greats. But when you compare him to the other all time greats, nobody else has as many egregious choke jobs as he does. For example, in 2008 he had an epic choke job against the Celtics in the conference finals - something that doesn't get talked about much due to being overshadowed by his greatest-choke-job-of-all-time in 2011. That 2008 playoffs loss was DEFINITELY worse than if he had made it to the finals and lost there.

It's about expectations. When you're expected to win, and you blow it, it's a black mark. Like it or not. If you go to a super team (not to mention make a documentary trying to sugar coat it), claim you're going to win eight titles, then go on to have the worst choke job of all time and ultimately only end up winning two, most people are going to consider that underachievement.

We've already established that you do not consider it underachievement, but your supporting argument lacks any context. It boils down to "silver medals are still pretty good." Ok....sure.[/QUOTE]

Your entire "Lebron chokes" schtick was completely disproven a while back. We saw that troll thread buddy So yeah, your comments on Lebron choking and underachieve are completely false.

You are bad at trolling.

You can't troll facts -> Lebron has the second most GOLDs besides MJ, and also has 6 2nd place finishes too. Only MJ's resume is better as evidenced by my OP.

Again go ahead and claim finals losses are bad and don't count...we can look at just the gold numbers if you want.

[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14940863]Your entire "Lebron chokes" schtick was completely disproven a while back. We saw that troll thread buddy So yeah, your comments on Lebron choking and underachieve are completely false.

You are bad at trolling.

You can't troll facts -> Lebron has the second most GOLDs besides MJ, and also has 6 2nd place finishes too. Only MJ's resume is better as evidenced by my OP.

Again go ahead and claim finals losses are bad and don't count...we can look at just the gold numbers if you want.[/QUOTE]

You call it "trolling," but none of you have been able to counter my list of choke jobs with anything other than attempts to redefine what a choke is. Here's the data (updated with his two choke jobs against Denver this past season):



2007 game 1 against Detroit. 10 points on 33% shooting. LOSS.

Game 2 against Detroit. 19 points on 37% shooting. LOSS.

Game 1 against the Spurs. 14 points on 25% shooting. LOSS.

2008 game 1 against Boston. 12 points and 10 turnovers on 11% shooting. 0/6 from three. LOSS.

Game 2 against Boston. 21 points on 25% shooting. LOSS.

Game 3 against Boston. 21 points on 31% shooting.

Game 4 against Boston. 21 points on 35% shooting.

2009 game 3 against Orlando. He scored 41 points, but on absolutely horrendous efficiency. 39% shooting and 1/8 from three. LOSS. Someone should have made him stop shooting.

2010 game 5 against Boston. 15 points on 21% shooting!!! LOSS. The series was tied 2-2 until that game. That Lebron choke put the Cavs down 3-2, and they went on to lose the series.

2011 game 1 against Philadelphia. 21 points on 29% shooting.

Game 5 against Philadelphia. 16 points on 39% shooting.

Game 3 against Boston. 15 points on 38% shooting. LOSS.

Game 1 against Chicago. 15 points on 33% shooting. LOSS.

Finals against Dallas. Most epic choke job of all time. Game 3, 17 points.

Game 4, 8 points on 27% shooting. LOSS.

Game 5, 17 points. LOSS.

Game 6, 21 points and 6 turnovers. LOSS.

2013 game 2 against San Antonio. 17 points on 41% shooting. LOSS.

Game 3 against San Antonio, 15 points on 33% shooting. LOSS.

Game 5 against San Antonio, 25 points on 36% shooting. LOSS.

2014 game 5 against Indiana. 7 points on 20% shooting. Whooaaaaaaaa! LOSS.

2015 game 1 against Chicago. 19 points on 41% shooting. LOSS.

Game 6 against Chicago. 15 points on 30% shooting.

Game 4 against Golden State. 20 points on 32% shooting.

2016 game 3 against Detroit. 20 points on 33% shooting.

Game 2 against Golden State. 19 points on 42% shooting. LOSS.

2017 game 3 against Boston. 11 points on 31% shooting. LOSS.

2018 game 1 against Indiana. 24 points on 41% shooting. 0% from three. LOSS.

Game 1 against Boston. 15 points on 31% shooting. LOSS.

2020 game 2 against Portland. 10 points on 36% shooting.

Game 1 against Houston. 20 points. LOSS.

Game 4 against Houston. 16 points on 41% shooting.

Game 1 against Denver. 15 points.

2021 game 1 against Phoenix. 18 points on 46% shooting. LOSS.

Game 3 against Phoenix. 21 points and 7 turnovers on 47% shooting.

Game 6 against Phoenix. 29 points on 11/26 shooting. ELIMINATION.

2023 game 5 against Memphis. 15 points on 29% shooting. 1-9 from three. LOSS.

Game 1 against Golden State. 22 points on 38% shooting. 1-8 from three.

Game 2 against Denver. 22 points. 0-6 from three. LOSS.

Game 4 against Denver. Wasted multiple possessions in 4th quarter, missed key shots, and blew the game-tying shot in the last possession. SWEPT.

2024 game 1 against Denver. 0 points in the fourth quarter of a close game. Actually, he had two points, but that was from an uncontested layup in the final minute of the game after Denver had already closed the game out. LOSS

Game 2 against Denver. The game is tied and the Lakers have the final possession. Instead of running the clock down, Lebron clanks a low-IQ three point shot, leaving Denver with plenty of time for a final possession. Murray, who is way more clutch than Lebron, makes the buzzer beater. LOSS.



If his career goes on for too many more years, I'll run out of character space for his choke jobs. :lol

[QUOTE=Full Court;14940866]You call it "trolling," but none of you have been able to counter my list of choke jobs with anything other than attempts to redefine what a choke is. Here's the data (updated with his two choke jobs against Denver this past season):



2007 game 1 against Detroit. 10 points on 33% shooting. LOSS.

Game 2 against Detroit. 19 points on 37% shooting. LOSS.

Game 1 against the Spurs. 14 points on 25% shooting. LOSS.

2008 game 1 against Boston. 12 points and 10 turnovers on 11% shooting. 0/6 from three. LOSS.

Game 2 against Boston. 21 points on 25% shooting. LOSS.

Game 3 against Boston. 21 points on 31% shooting.

Game 4 against Boston. 21 points on 35% shooting.

2009 game 3 against Orlando. He scored 41 points, but on absolutely horrendous efficiency. 39% shooting and 1/8 from three. LOSS. Someone should have made him stop shooting.

2010 game 5 against Boston. 15 points on 21% shooting!!! LOSS. The series was tied 2-2 until that game. That Lebron choke put the Cavs down 3-2, and they went on to lose the series.

2011 game 1 against Philadelphia. 21 points on 29% shooting.

Game 5 against Philadelphia. 16 points on 39% shooting.

Game 3 against Boston. 15 points on 38% shooting. LOSS.

Game 1 against Chicago. 15 points on 33% shooting. LOSS.

Finals against Dallas. Most epic choke job of all time. Game 3, 17 points.

Game 4, 8 points on 27% shooting. LOSS.

Game 5, 17 points. LOSS.

Game 6, 21 points and 6 turnovers. LOSS.

2013 game 2 against San Antonio. 17 points on 41% shooting. LOSS.

Game 3 against San Antonio, 15 points on 33% shooting. LOSS.

Game 5 against San Antonio, 25 points on 36% shooting. LOSS.

2014 game 5 against Indiana. 7 points on 20% shooting. Whooaaaaaaaa! LOSS.

2015 game 1 against Chicago. 19 points on 41% shooting. LOSS.

Game 6 against Chicago. 15 points on 30% shooting.

Game 4 against Golden State. 20 points on 32% shooting.

2016 game 3 against Detroit. 20 points on 33% shooting.

Game 2 against Golden State. 19 points on 42% shooting. LOSS.

2017 game 3 against Boston. 11 points on 31% shooting. LOSS.

2018 game 1 against Indiana. 24 points on 41% shooting. 0% from three. LOSS.

Game 1 against Boston. 15 points on 31% shooting. LOSS.

2020 game 2 against Portland. 10 points on 36% shooting.

Game 1 against Houston. 20 points. LOSS.

Game 4 against Houston. 16 points on 41% shooting.

Game 1 against Denver. 15 points.

2021 game 1 against Phoenix. 18 points on 46% shooting. LOSS.

Game 3 against Phoenix. 21 points and 7 turnovers on 47% shooting.

Game 6 against Phoenix. 29 points on 11/26 shooting. ELIMINATION.

2023 game 5 against Memphis. 15 points on 29% shooting. 1-9 from three. LOSS.

Game 1 against Golden State. 22 points on 38% shooting. 1-8 from three.

Game 2 against Denver. 22 points. 0-6 from three. LOSS.

Game 4 against Denver. Wasted multiple possessions in 4th quarter, missed key shots, and blew the game-tying shot in the last possession. SWEPT.

2024 game 1 against Denver. 0 points in the fourth quarter of a close game. Actually, he had two points, but that was from an uncontested layup in the final minute of the game after Denver had already closed the game out. LOSS

Game 2 against Denver. The game is tied and the Lakers have the final possession. Instead of running the clock down, Lebron clanks a low-IQ three point shot, leaving Denver with plenty of time for a final possession. Murray, who is way more clutch than Lebron, makes the buzzer beater. LOSS.



If his career goes on for too many more years, I'll run out of character space for his choke jobs. :lol[/QUOTE]

Again this was already debunked. His RATIO of elite games/series is far higher than any other player outside of MJ. So you can pick out his bad games all you want, it doesn't change the fact that he has way more good ones. For every bad game he has, he has 10 good ones.

So yeah you are an idiot. You'll have to come up with something else because everything you've posted in this thread is wrong :lol

Anyways back to the OP. Here is a quick summary of finals results below. Clearly MJ and Lebron are above the rest.

MJ: 6 gold medals
Lebron: 4 gold medals, 6 silver medals
Shaq: 3 gold medals, 2 silver medals
Duncan: 3 gold medals, 1 silver medal
Magic: 3 gold medals, 4 silver medals
Kareem: 2 gold medals, 4 silver medals
Kobe: 2 gold medals, 2 silver medals
Bird: 2 gold medals, 2 silver medals
Durant: 2 gold medals, 1 silver medal
Curry: 1 gold medal, 2 silver medals

Your "medal" rankings are also down right embarrassing as well.

Like... Curry has 1 Gold Medal? Because he didn't win FMVP over Iggy who averaged like 10ppg on the year while Steph was the league MVP?

Duncan's 2007 ring doesn't count as a Gold Medal because Tony Parker won FMVP?

Bird and Magics titles don't count as Gold Medal because Maxwell and Worthy had great Finals series?

Despite being his best championship playoff run ever Kobes 2001 15-1 superstar playoff run doesn't count in this criteria?

:oldlol:

OP, you are a certified clown.