Anyone else have a problem with charging a 14 year old as an adult?

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So let me see if I get this Georgia shooting case straight. A 13 year old gets flagged as a potential shooter his parents still keep guns in the house a year later he kills four people...let's put the child in prison for the rest of his life.

This is the third case I know of, of a teenage boy who was identified as a potential shooter and we did nothing about it until the actual shooting happened.

Most of the time it shouldn't happen but in this case I don't see how this kid is redeemed. If there was some doubt over his guilt or what he had done wasnt this serious then maybe you treat him like a child. But when we are talking about a killer several times over who killed people for no reason beyond the screwed up shit going on in his own head, really what is the point behind ever releasing him? If you have a CORI file for selling drugs you will have a hard time finding a job. So you would have to release him without aCORI file a condition under which he would only be hired by someone that didn't know his story, basically we need someone to take him in not knowing they are hiring a crazy killer. That's completely unfair to the potential employer and coworkers. And I'm someone that doesn't like the effect of having aCORI file.... but what he did is just too serious. People have to know. When he showed that he is capable of being such an unreasonable, unjustified killer he made it so that for the sake of other people he had to be dealt with severely.

if we had built a wall in the south border, we wouldn't have so many school shootings damn mexicans and arabs taking our jerbs :mad: #trump2024 #FJB #CanIGetAHellYeahBrother #LetMeSleepWithMyCousin #MyCousinMyChoice #What2CousinsDoInThePrivacyOfTheirTrailerHomeIsTheirBusiness #TrailerParksOfAmericaForTrump2024

Not in this case, no. He’s an obvious danger to society at this point. Parents should also stand trial for negligence.

So many people failed this kid. His father was just arrested and charged with manslaughter and second degree murder. Apparently his father beat him and berated him and of course allowed him access to his guns.

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;14941310]So many people failed this kid. His father was just arrested and charged with manslaughter and second degree murder. Apparently his father beat him and berated him and of course allowed him access to his guns.[/QUOTE]

I would beat his ass too. He has that highweight personality going on.

[QUOTE=BigKobeFan;14941325]I would beat his ass too. He has that highweight personality going on.[/QUOTE]


Highweight is the direct result of not getting the belt, the spoon, and the foot up his ass taco-eating ass.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14941288]Most of the time it shouldn't happen but in this case I don't see how this kid is redeemed. If there was some doubt over his guilt or what he had done wasnt this serious then maybe you treat him like a child. But when we are talking about a killer several times over who killed people for no reason beyond the screwed up shit going on in his own head, really what is the point behind ever releasing him? If you have a CORI file for selling drugs you will have a hard time finding a job. So you would have to release him without aCORI file a condition under which he would only be hired by someone that didn't know his story, basically we need someone to take him in not knowing they are hiring a crazy killer. That's completely unfair to the potential employer and coworkers. And I'm someone that doesn't like the effect of having aCORI file.... but what he did is just too serious. People have to know. When he showed that he is capable of being such an unreasonable, unjustified killer he made it so that for the sake of other people he had to be dealt with severely.[/QUOTE]

We're talking about warehousing a human being for 60 years. We are fully aware of the fact that men become significantly less violent as they age. But here we have a child whose brain is ten years away from being fully formed but we are going to lock him away for the rest of his life. What's next....what happens when a 12 year shoots up his school?

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;14941327]Highweight is the direct result of not getting the belt, the spoon, and the foot up his ass taco-eating ass.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=John8204;14941328]We're talking about warehousing a human being for 60 years. We are fully aware of the fact that men become significantly less violent as they age. But here we have a child whose brain is ten years away from being fully formed but we are going to lock him away for the rest of his life. What's next....what happens when a 12 year shoots up his school?[/QUOTE]

The 12 year-old gets locked up. There are certain things you can't do regardless of your age. Mass murder is one of them. You cannot risk recidivism when that means innocent people may die. This kid's life is most definitely not more valuable than anyone else's so he can't be given another chance.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14941332]The 12 year-old gets locked up. There are certain things you can't do regardless of your age. Mass murder is one of them. You cannot risk recidivism when that means innocent people may die. This kid's life is most definitely not more valuable than anyone else's so he can't be given another chance.[/QUOTE]

At what point do we acknowledge that the child has the ability to know right from wrong and understand the consequences of his actions? I'm fine with executing the father he was abusing his son and gave him the firearms. We're dealing with a generation of people that have become so polarized in politically ideology that gun ownership is no longer a responsibility.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14941332]The 12 year-old gets locked up. There are certain things you can't do regardless of your age. Mass murder is one of them. You cannot risk recidivism when that means innocent people may die. This kid's life is most definitely not more valuable than anyone else's so he can't be given another chance.[/QUOTE]


Yeahhhhhhh this is where my Liberal side comes out. I think that's excessive. Prisons are also about rehabilitation and reflection. Someone that young was probably failed by those around him who weren't there for him or her when they needed someone the most. To punish that child by spending the next 70 or 80 years in prison until they die just seems cruel.

I was a grown man by the time I was 14.

This little ****er tried to kill dozens of people, he can never be trusted and he should absolutely spend the rest of his life behind bard getting ****ed in the ass by deebo sized nikkas.

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;14941335]Yeahhhhhhh this is where my Liberal side comes out. I think that's excessive. Prisons are also about rehabilitation and reflection. Someone that young was probably failed by those around him who weren't there for him or her when they needed someone the most. To punish that child by spending the next 70 or 80 years in prison until they die just seems cruel.[/QUOTE]

:facepalm

this fat lard has threatened to kill ISH members along with any liberal that gets in his way. of course he sympathizes with a mass school shooter, he's a mass piece of sh1t himself.

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;14941335]Yeahhhhhhh this is where my Liberal side comes out. I think that's excessive. [B] Prisons are also about rehabilitation and reflection.[/B] Someone that young was probably failed by those around him who weren't there for him or her when they needed someone the most. To punish that child by spending the next 70 or 80 years in prison until they die just seems cruel.[/QUOTE]

No, they aren't. They're about slave labor and socializing the costs while privatizing the profits.

[QUOTE=highwhey;14941352]this fat lard has threatened to kill ISH members along with any liberal that gets in his way. of course he sympathizes with a mass school shooter, he's a mass piece of sh1t himself.[/QUOTE]

That fat lard also celebrated when that Trump judge got Kyle Rittenhouse off for killing two people.

[QUOTE=Lakers Legend#32;14941358]That fat lard also celebrated when that Trump judge got Kyle Rittenhouse off for killing two people.[/QUOTE]

yeah, fat lard chewing has a pattern of simping for mass shooters.

[QUOTE=highwhey;14941359]yeah, fat lard chewing has a pattern of simping for mass shooters.[/QUOTE]


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have never threatened or even thought about shooting another human being. i hope i never have to use my weapon.

you on the other hand, we have on record threatening multiple insidehoops forum members (including myself) just for existing, and now you're defending a mass shooter.

you sink to new lows everyday guy, you're a pathetic human being.

that's a fcking badass pic tho :pimp:

[QUOTE=highwhey;14941366]have never threatened or even thought about shooting another human being. i hope i never have to use my weapon.

you on the other hand, we have on record threatening multiple insidehoops forum members (including myself) just for existing, and now you're defending a mass shooter.

you sink to new lows everyday guy, you're a pathetic human being.[/QUOTE]

you in the other hand have wierd stretch marks because of your obesity

gl with that home boy

[QUOTE=j3lademaster;14941301]Not in this case, no. He’s an obvious danger to society at this point. Parents should also stand trial for negligence.[/QUOTE]

He can’t get out at ~18 and arguably that’s why the distinction exists. I think people like that belong in care facilities. In no way do they understand the true consequences of their action in the way ‘an adult’ would, but this isn’t something you’ll outgrow so fast. If you take such a ‘grown action,’ there is no other way because that’s how the system is set up.

Conversely I do have a problem with the implication. I don’t agree he acted as an adult. He takes a gun to school and shits the bed, ends up shooting someone in the arm, etc, and he’s probably charged as a child, but due to circumstance, and I definitely understand it takes a different type to go around terrorizing people, not like he fired a burst into the a crowd, still I don’t see it so differently from a teen slamming the door and playing music cuz he’s mad. It is wildly different, but I definitely think these people have some kind of a mental break especially once they actually start shooting. Shame on them for even planning to start, but I don’t think you can tell if they are irredeemable until you get to observe them. More than four years is required.

Tldr I do have a big problem with lifing this kid, even tho he’ll probably get solitary. If they do death penalty it’s even crazier. Also shame on them for not taking the guns away. It’s like yeah, sorry, but until that kid is out of the house, you’ve lost the right to keep guns at home. That’s not a 2a issue. Can have all ur guns elsewhere.

-Smak

[QUOTE=John8204;14941334]At what point do we acknowledge that the child has the ability to know right from wrong and understand the consequences of his actions? I'm fine with executing the father he was abusing his son and gave him the firearms. We're dealing with a generation of people that have become so polarized in politically ideology that gun ownership is no longer a responsibility.[/QUOTE] You aren't considering that there could be more potential victims. The possibility that this kid would kill more people is the reason why he had to be locked up. The possibility that he could be made into a functional non-murdering member of society is not worth that risk. We can't be like, " well, sorry he shot up the parade, but he was so young, he deserves a second chance"...no, he doesn't. Not when the thing he does wrong ends people's lives. This isnt a kid stealing sneakers or smoking pot. This is a murderer.

He could be facing the death penalty in all seriousness.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14941384]You aren't considering that there could be more potential victims. The possibility that this kid would kill more people is the reason why he had to be locked up. The possibility that he could be made into a functional non-murdering member of society is not worth that risk. We can't be like, " well, sorry he shot up the parade, but he was so young, he deserves a second chance"...no, he doesn't. Not when the thing he does wrong ends people's lives. This isnt a kid stealing sneakers or smoking pot. This is a murderer.[/QUOTE]

I don't think that's something that has happened before. Other countries have had child murderers and then do release them because other countries are not dystopian capitalist wastelands. And if the shooter was female it would happen later quietly...that's what happened with the Bully killers. The girls got out after 15 years and the boys stayed in prison for life.

We need to know how the child got the gun and what role his father played in this case. If it were me I would treat this like the DC sniper case and charge the father with the murders

[QUOTE=John8204;14941395]I don't think that's something that has happened before. Other countries have had child murderers and then do release them because other countries are not dystopian capitalist wastelands. And if the shooter was female it would happen later quietly...that's what happened with the Bully killers. The girls got out after 15 years and the boys stayed in prison for life.

We need to know how the child got the gun and what role his father played in this case. If it were me I would treat this like the DC sniper case and charge the father with the murders[/QUOTE]

We don't have statistics on how often mass shooters kill again after they get out of prison because we don't let them out. If we were to start it would have to be judged on a case-by-case basis where a psychologist analyzes the killer for the likelihood that they would murder again. And honestly I would feel bad for that psychologist because every time that they were wrong someone would die and people would turn on them like it was their fault. Even a 1% incorrect rate would be unacceptable. So lock him up and throw away the key. There are some things you just can't do.

[QUOTE=ILLsmak;14941382]He can’t get out at ~18 and arguably that’s why the distinction exists. I think people like that belong in care facilities. In no way do they understand the true consequences of their action in the way ‘an adult’ would, but this isn’t something you’ll outgrow so fast. If you take such a ‘grown action,’ there is no other way because that’s how the system is set up.

Conversely I do have a problem with the implication. I don’t agree he acted as an adult. He takes a gun to school and shits the bed, ends up shooting someone in the arm, etc, and he’s probably charged as a child, but due to circumstance, and I definitely understand it takes a different type to go around terrorizing people, not like he fired a burst into the a crowd, still I don’t see it so differently from a teen slamming the door and playing music cuz he’s mad. It is wildly different, but I definitely think these people have some kind of a mental break especially once they actually start shooting. Shame on them for even planning to start, but I don’t think you can tell if they are irredeemable until you get to observe them. More than four years is required.

Tldr I do have a big problem with lifing this kid, even tho he’ll probably get solitary. If they do death penalty it’s even crazier. Also shame on them for not taking the guns away. It’s like yeah, sorry, but until that kid is out of the house, you’ve lost the right to keep guns at home. That’s not a 2a issue. Can have all ur guns elsewhere.

-Smak[/QUOTE]
I don't see much of a difference between a 14 and 18 year old in terms of knowing right from wrong in those extremes, such as knowing killing people is wrong. A disturbed and abused 18 year old in this situation would get the chair or life in prison, even in cases of immature personality disorder they get charged for whatever they're convicted of as an adult(this is important for precedence). This isn't a situation where he killed another kid because he wanted to try that move his favorite wrestler did on WWE or something.

And if new evidence arises, there have been cases where life without parole has been overturned and sentences reduced. But until then, he needs to be locked up where he can't harm others in society.

patrick chewing when he meets colt outside the court house

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[QUOTE=j3lademaster;14941406]I don't see much of a difference between a 14 and 18 year old in terms of knowing right from wrong in those extremes, such as knowing killing people is wrong. A disturbed and abused 18 year old in this situation would get the chair or life in prison, even in cases of immature personality disorder they get charged for whatever they're convicted of as an adult(this is important for precedence). This isn't a situation where he killed another kid because he wanted to try that move his favorite wrestler did on WWE or something.

And if new evidence arises, there have been cases where life without parole has been overturned and sentences reduced. But until then, he needs to be locked up where he can't harm others in society.[/QUOTE] To add on here, personally I would have understood not to do something like this from the age of 7...maybe younger than that. Whenever I understood what death is and what it meant to kill someone. In fact it would never have occurred to me to shoot up the school. This kid didn't do this because he didn't understand that guns are dangerous and he was just copying something he saw on TV. He did this because he understood that guns are dangerous and wanted to hurt people. And that's why he can't be let out.

It truly is tragic that his father was (allegedly) this massive piece of shit that beat him and gave him a gun after the FBI investigated him for posting threats. The kids may well have been set up grow up to be a problem. But what the courts have to deal with is not just what is just for this one individual but also whether or not this individual is a danger to the public. It's truly unfair that his dad ruined him but he did and now the courts have to keep the school children of Georgia safe from him.

[QUOTE=warriorfan;14941372]you in the other hand have wierd stretch marks because of your obesity

gl with that home boy[/QUOTE]

All this time... I always thought that stretch marks pic was a random one you found online... thinking that was suspenders holding up his drawes. Now realize it's a real pic of highwhey and a gun strap in that close-up pic.

:durantunimpressed:

Fat ass highweight obsessing over me 24/7. He says he has friends....but we all know that's a lie. :oldlol:

[QUOTE=Hey Yo;14941441]All this time... I always thought that stretch marks pic was a random one you found online... thinking that was suspenders holding up his drawes. Now realize it's a real pic of highwhey and a gun strap in that close-up pic.

:durantunimpressed:[/QUOTE]

:oldlol:

That's highweight in the flesh. Lots and lots of flesh. :oldlol:

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;14941444]Fat ass highweight obsessing over me 24/7. He says he has friends....but we all know that's a lie. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

says the guy rocking my face as his avatar :roll:

can't make this shit up, you may very well be the stupidest poster on this forum, zero self-awareness.

[QUOTE=highwhey;14941447]says the guy rocking my face as his avatar :roll:

can't make this shit up, you may very well be the stupidest poster on this forum, zero self-awareness.[/QUOTE]


You follow me around this forum like a little puppy. Your fat head as my avatar is just to make fun of you. You wanted to play games by changing your avatar to mine and now you won't do it anymore. :roll:

Gordito estupido.

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;14941452]You follow me around this forum like a little puppy. Your fat head as my avatar is just to make fun of you. You wanted to play games by changing your avatar to mine and now you won't do it anymore. :roll:

Gordito estupido.[/QUOTE]

:roll:

i won you fat lard. i'm living rent free in your lard ass head you fat fvck.

[QUOTE=highwhey;14941454]:roll:

i won you fat lard. i'm living rent free in your lard ass head you fat fvck.[/QUOTE]

You won? You won fattest poster on ISH that's what you won.


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I think he understood murder was wrong and what he was doing, but I don’t think he understood the permanent nature of what he was doing. The best argument for that is not only he DID IT, but that he let them capture him. I was smart as a kid, and at 14 I probably was comfy with college level concepts, and on top of that, I had seen one of my family members die of chronic illness, so I could empathetically understand death; however, there is no way I would take any decision I made then as seriously. I’m not (overly lol) deranged so of course it never occurred to me, and I remember hearing about what happened. I even knew enough to be like, “This kid in my class could do that!” Still, I maintain it’s a different sort of disorder, even serial killers try not to get caught. It is unique. And I honestly do believe some of them could be rehabilitated, but I don’t think we are about to try. It’s sad in some ways because we might learn more about why it happens.

Maybe some day.

-Smak

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Looking up naked fat guys? How gay are you??

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;14941464]Looking up naked fat guys? How gay are you??[/QUOTE]

i just asked chatgpt to create an image of you. why are you upset big guy? does he remind you of yourself a bit too much? :ohwell: