Supreme Court rules that Trump can continue his deportation plans

Supreme Court gives boost to Trump administration's deportation plans under Alien Enemies Act

The ruling said a judge can't block Trump’s plan nationwide but made it clear that people swept up must have a chance to challenge their seizures before they can be deported.

The Supreme Court on Monday threw out a judge's decision to block the removal of men alleged to be members of the Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua to El Salvador without any legal process under the Alien Enemies Act.

The decision leaves various legal questions about the novel invocation of the Alien Enemies Act undecided, including whether the Trump administration can even invoke it against gang members.

“AEA detainees must receive notice after the date of this order that they are subject to removal under the Act. The notice must be afforded within a reasonable time and in such a manner as will allow them to actually seek habeas relief in the proper venue before such removal occurs,” the court wrote in its unsigned majority opinion.

The decision lifts orders issued by Washington-based U.S. District Judge James Boasberg, who blocked the move on March 15, while litigation continues. The original lawsuit was filed by five Venezuelans, with Boasberg provisionally certifying it as a class action that applies to all Venezuelans in U.S. custody who are not U.S. citizens.

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Throw out the five Venezuelans that filed the class action. Get em outta here

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Chewing loved this gif, ironically he's MIA because ICE shipped him back to Cuba along with the 10s of thousands of Cubans that Trump recently revoked the special protections they used to receive :roll:

[QUOTE=TheMan;14991065]Chewing loved this gif, ironically he's MIA because ICE shipped him back to Cuba along with the 10s of thousands of Cubans that Trump recently revoked the special protections they used to receive :roll:[/QUOTE]

The best thing for you to do is turn yourself in and go back to Messico.That way there's a much better chance of you getting back into the U.S legally once you file the necessary paperwork.

Good luck and you can thank me later, chico. Let me know if you have any questions I can try to help you on your journey.

[QUOTE=Hey Yo;14991188]The best thing for you to do is turn yourself in and go back to Messico.That way there's a much better chance of you getting back into the U.S legally once you file the necessary paperwork.

Good luck and you can thank me later, chico. Let me know if you have any questions I can try to help you on your journey.[/QUOTE]

Too late, I already snuck into the US, I'm in San Antonio, Texas as I write this. I fooled ICE, showed them my fake US birth certificate, fake US passport and fake California and Texas ID :lol

Stay mad, geezer

[QUOTE=Hey Yo;14991188]The best thing for you to do is turn yourself in and go back to Messico.That way there's a much better chance of you getting back into the U.S legally once you file the necessary paperwork.

Good luck and you can thank me later, chico. Let me know if you have any questions I can try to help you on your journey.[/QUOTE]

Lol. Messyco

Haha stoopid judge

Time two wrap beans up in tortilla and ship out

[QUOTE=TheMan;14991065]Chewing loved this gif, ironically he's MIA because ICE shipped him back to Cuba along with the 10s of thousands of Cubans that Trump recently revoked the special protections they used to receive :roll:[/QUOTE]

Chewing is sitting in a prison cell in Gitmo shouting, "I own the libs!"

[url]https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/supreme-court-kilmar-abrego-garcia-1.7507521[/url]

[QUOTE]The U.S. Supreme Court on Thursday said the Trump administration must facilitate the return of a Maryland man who was mistakenly deported to El Salvador, rejecting the administration's emergency appeal.


The court acted in the case of Kilmar Abrego Garcia, a Salvadoran citizen who had an immigration court order preventing his deportation to his native country over fears he would face persecution from local gangs.

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9-0, even Clarence Thomas was like, that's a bridge too far.

A Louisiana immigration judge said Friday that Columbia University graduate Mahmoud Khalil – a legal permanent resident – can be deported after the United States government argued his presence posed “potentially serious foreign policy consequences.”

The decision by Assistant Chief Immigration Judge Jamee Comans comes after the federal government submitted evidence to the court on Wednesday, including a memo from Secretary of State Marco Rubio alleging Khalil is deportable because of his “beliefs, statements or associations” that would compromise US foreign policy interests.

"Despite the government’s failure to prove that Mahmoud broke any law, the court has decided that lawful permanent residents can have their status revoked for pro-Palestine advocacy,” Khalil’s legal team said at a press conference following the hearing. “This is a blatant violation of the First Amendment and a dangerous precedent for anyone who believes in free speech and political expression.”

A “removability finding” in immigration court means the judge has determined the individual is subject to removal from the United States due to a violation of immigration law or lack of legal immigration status. Khalil’s attorneys are expected to appeal the ruling.

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The orange turd threw a temper tantrum yesterday at the Oval Office when he was asked a perfectly valid question by a CNN reporter about returning Kilmar Abrego Garcia from El Salvador after being directed to do so by the Supreme Court. He spewed lies falsely labelling Garcia a terrorist and asking what's wrong with CNN. He will obviously ignore the rule of law for the umpteenth time and let him rot in a cell for no reason.

This is just the beginning. This is how they will get rid of anyone they don't like, or they perceive as a threat. They've turned El Salvador into America's version of a gulag. In five days from now, he will most likely invoke the Insurrection Act so that he can officially instate a dictatorship, and no one can do anything about it. MAGA idiots will be celebrating, while the rest of the population will either be horrified and making plans to leave the country or will be banging their heads against the wall for voting a fascist moron to lead them.

P.S. Funny how Trump had no problem with Bukele not wearing a tie, but Zelenskyy was "disrespectful".

[QUOTE=86Celtics;14992547]The orange turd threw a temper tantrum yesterday at the Oval Office when he was asked a perfectly valid question by a CNN reporter about returning Kilmar Abrego Garcia from El Salvador after being directed to do so by the Supreme Court. He spewed lies falsely labelling Garcia a terrorist and asking what's wrong with CNN. He will obviously ignore the rule of law for the umpteenth time and let him rot in a cell for no reason.

This is just the beginning. This is how they will get rid of anyone they don't like, or they perceive as a threat. They've turned El Salvador into America's version of a gulag. In five days from now, he will most likely invoke the Insurrection Act so that he can officially instate a dictatorship, and no one can do anything about it. MAGA idiots will be celebrating, while the rest of the population will either be horrified and making plans to leave the country or will be banging their heads against the wall for voting a fascist moron to lead them.

P.S. Funny how Trump had no problem with Bukele not wearing a tie, but Zelenskyy was "disrespectful".[/QUOTE]

you are a european ****** and probably a midget

What an original and witty comeback. You countered every point.

You should be the poster boy in anti-drug campaigns. "Don't do drugs kids, because you'll end up like this."

On a more serious note, this encapsulates the true nature of MAGA followers to the core:

As of today, Donald Trump’s supposedly “tanking” approval rating stands at 47%. Which is pretty much where it’s been for the past eleven years. Yes, there have been minor upticks and downturns of a few points here and there. Yes, a majority of Americans disapprove of the tariffs. Yes, a majority think the economy is heading in the wrong direction. And yes, a majority disapprove of the job Trump is doing.

That’s not new. Trump’s popularity has almost never been above 50%, except for very brief periods of time. He’s never needed it to be. His power derives not from the size but the durability of his popular support, and there’s rarely been an approval rating as stubbornly durable as his.

Especially given the hundreds — thousands — of incidents over the past decade that would have sunk the careers of, say, Kamala Harris, Joe Biden, Barack Obama, or Hillary Clinton.

Think of it. All the corruption, the scandal, the pain and death and misery. All the insults to human decency and injuries to democratic ideals.
And his numbers are still pretty much where they were when it all started.

I am uninterested in whatever minor variation will follow yesterday’s vile display in the Oval Office, or tomorrow’s outrage, or next week’s. They will mean nothing.
What Trump supporters (as a whole, as a voting bloc, PLEASE don’t tell me about your MAGA cousin who’s having second thoughts) are thinking means nothing. The only thing that matters is what Trump’s opponents are thinking. What we’re thinking.

I remember making posts like this during Trump’s first term, and wondering exactly what I’m wondering right now.

Which is very much not, “What will it take for his supporters to turn away from him,” but rather, “What will it take for his opponents to realize his supporters won’t turn away from him?”

Because the answer to that question is crucial. It will shape everything that happens over the next few weeks and months.

If, as I suspect, a sizable number of us are sitting at home today thinking that Trump’s open defiance of a Supreme Court ruling, refusal to return an innocent, legal resident of the US from a gulag in El Salvador, and declaration that he wants to send American citizens to the same prison without due process, will somehow harm his approval rating, that does not bode well for our side.

Nothing will harm his approval rating.

Sure it might — might — go down a few points in the next few days. It won’t mean a thing. Give it a few weeks.

To believe otherwise is to not understand the story of the Trump era. The story of the Trump era isn’t “A bad man came along and duped a bunch of well-meaning, gullible people.” Donald Trump didn’t conjure his supporters from the ether with his magic MAGA wand. His supporters conjured him.

They wanted him. Badly. They’d been looking, searching, begging, screaming for someone like him, pushing every Republican candidate further and further to the right with every election cycle, demanding loudly that they “take a tougher” line on this, and “not give an inch” on that, that they “tell it like it is,” and “say what everyone is thinking,” for years. For decades.

They weren't duped.

They are never going to see the light. (Of course a few will, here and there. But not in meaningful numbers.) There will be no scales falling from eyes, no epiphanies, no death bed conversions. Not among the bedrock base, which has not budged an inch in ten years.

They waved signs that said, MASS DEPORTATIONS NOW at their third Trump convention.

They weren’t duped.

The only duping that’s gone on is the self-duping many of us have been guilty of for many years. It’s a very human, very understandable, thing to do. To think better of your fellow human beings than perhaps they do themselves. To believe that, with enough patience, empathy, education and reason they are bound to see the error of their ways.

That belief is a dangerous one in this moment. It manifests in political choices that are bound to not only fail, but help the bad guys continue doing bad things.
It doesn’t matter if a few thousand Trump supporters see the error of their ways. It doesn’t matter if this or that Republican politician is momentarily seized by courage or conscience and speaks up about his or her disappointment in the president. The overwhelming majority of Trump supporters will remain Trump supporters NO MATTER WHAT.

Did you ever think you’d see Republican voters support a candidate who was openly subservient to Russia? Did you ever think you’d see them support a flagrant, serial adulterer and drug user? A denigrator of the military? A draft dodger? A New Yorker?

In 2014 Republicans raged at President Obama for supposedly not working hard enough to stop the Ebola epidemic. Six years later they followed Trump’s lead and physically threatened people working to stop an epidemic.

Nothing will shake them.

Well, almost nothing.

There is one thing, one thing Donald Trump could do to lose significant support. And no, it is not making his supporters “feel the pain.” It is not making them poor. These are people who are openly welcoming an imminent recession.

No, the one and only thing Donald Trump could do to tank his approval rating would be to stand in front of a camera and say, “Black and Latino people are as fully human as any white man or woman. They are possessed of the same inalienable rights, and deserving of the full enjoyment of those rights and the opportunities they promise, opportunities they have for too long been denied.”

Now THAT would be a deal breaker.

Because that’s the deal. They give him everything, he gives them fewer Black actors on their TV’s, fewer Black managers at their offices, fewer Latino pilots on their planes, fewer Spanish names on the backs of their team’s uniforms.

He breaks THAT deal, and all bets are off.

So we need to get it straight. We cannot see this struggle as a debate, as a project of persuasion. If some MAGA supporters are persuaded along the way, great! I say welcome them with open arms. And never, ever stop fighting hard to make their lives better. All of their lives.

But progress is going to come when we, not they, see the light. Before the left can meaningfully slow the MAGA rampage it needs to come to terms with the fact that the enemy isn’t Trump, but the people who put him in the White House.

That is a very hard thing for a lot of us on the left to accept about our countrymen. But this struggle is more analogous to a civil war than it is to a heightened disagreement between poltical parties. We won’t win it by persuading the enemy, but by overwhelming him.

Our energies should be channeled towards each other. Galvanizing, motivating, and enabling each other. Creating and sustaining solidarity. We can get a hundred first-time protestors out in the streets, or first-time voters to the polls, for the same investment it takes to turn one MAGA supporter toward the light.

Our hope doesn’t lie in Trump’s poll numbers going down. It lies in our commitment to keeping students from being disappeared and government workers from being fired and cancer research labs from being defunded and democracy from being destroyed.
Our hope doesn’t lie with them, it lies with us.▫️

~Peter Birkenhead

Latino Patsy chewboy gone... lets see if e can get Trumpster to get rid of Jstern,,,\gay boy

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So that is where highwhey went.

so what's the verdict on this abrego garcia guy? folks are talking about how he's entitled to due process regardless of whether he's ms13 or not. fine, i don't see a problem with that - let the courts decide. constitutionalists stand the *uck up. why was he shipped off to el savador without it? people are also saying that trump's photo of the gang tattoos on garcia's hands were photoshopped into the image. what's up?

[URL="https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-posts-image-kilmar-abrego-175852020.html"]Trump Posts Photoshopped Image of Kilmar Abrego Garcia’s Knuckle Tattoos With Disputed ‘MS-13’ Interpretation[/URL]

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[QUOTE=diamenz;14994682]so what's the verdict on this abrego garcia guy? folks are talking about how he's entitled to due process regardless of whether he's ms13 or not. fine, i don't see a problem with that - let the courts decide. constitutionalists stand the *uck up. why was he shipped off to el savador without it? people are also saying that trump's photo of the gang tattoos on garcia's hands were photoshopped into the image. what's up?

[URL="https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-posts-image-kilmar-abrego-175852020.html"]Trump Posts Photoshopped Image of Kilmar Abrego Garcia’s Knuckle Tattoos With Disputed ‘MS-13’ Interpretation[/URL]

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the Supreme Court extended these constitutional protections to all aliens within the United States, including those who entered unlawfully, declaring that aliens who have once passed through our gates, even illegally, may be expelled only after proceedings conforming to traditional standards of fairness encompassed in due process of law.3 The Court reasoned that aliens physically present in the United States, regardless of their legal status, are recognized as persons guaranteed due process of law by the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments.4 Thus, the Court determined, [e]ven one whose presence in this country is unlawful, involuntary, or transitory is entitled to that constitutional protection.5 Accordingly, notwithstanding Congress’s indisputably broad power to regulate immigration, fundamental due process requirements notably constrained that power with respect to aliens within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.6

Jump to essay-3Shaughnessy v. United States ex rel. Mezei, 345 U.S. 206, 212 (1953); see also Mathews v. Diaz, 426 U.S. 67, 77 (1976) (There are literally millions of aliens within the jurisdiction of the United States. The Fifth Amendment, as well as the Fourteenth Amendment, protects every one of these persons from deprivation of life, liberty, or property without due process of law.); Plyler v. Doe, 457 U.S. 202, 215 (1982) (holding that unlawfully present aliens were entitled to both due process and equal protection under the Fourteenth Amendment).
Jump to essay-4Plyler, 457 U.S. at 210 (citing Mezei, 345 U.S. at 212; Wong Wing v. United States, 163 U.S. 228, 238 (1896); Yick Wo v. Hopkins, 118 U.S. 356, 369 (1886)).
Jump to essay-5Mathews, 426 U.S. at 77; see also Zadvydas v. Davis, 533 U.S. 678, 693 (2001) (explaining that the Due Process Clause applies to all ‘persons’ within the United States, including aliens, whether their presence here is lawful, unlawful, temporary, or permanent).
Jump to essay-6See Kwong Hai Chew, 344 U.S. at 596–97 (explaining that a lawful permanent resident may not be deprived of his life, liberty or property without due process of law, and thus cannot be deported without notice of the nature of the charge and a hearing at least before an executive or administrative tribunal).

Regardless what happens to that wife beating illegal, I just hope the dumb Dems keep sticking their neck out for him. Definitely shows who their priorities are yet they still wonder why they lost the election.

[QUOTE=Hey Yo;14994974]Regardless what happens to that wife beating illegal, I just hope the dumb Dems keep sticking their neck out for him. Definitely shows who their priorities are yet they still wonder why they lost the election.[/QUOTE]

this isn't about advocating for the guy or whether he's an angel or an absolute monster - it's the precedent that's being set by waving his right to due process. principled magas are calling this out but apparently the conservative hive mind hasn't quite caught on to this particular part of the issue. again, this isn't an immigration issue or advocation for him - it's about completely bypassing due process and the rule of law. you realize how important those things are, i hope. another way for you to look at it is that this isn't necessarily about [I]his[/I] rights it's about [I]our[/I] rights.

do you wanna call out the obvious photoshop job or do you not have it in you to do so?

[QUOTE=diamenz;14995024]this isn't about advocating for the guy or whether he's an angel or an absolute monster - it's the precedent that's being set by waving his right to due process. principled magas are calling this out but apparently the conservative hive mind hasn't quite caught on to this particular part of the case. again, this isn't an immigration issue or advocation for him - it's about completely bypassing due process and the rule of law. you realize how important those things are i hope.
another way for you to look at it is that this isn't necessarily about [I]his[/I] rights it's about [I]our[/I] rights.

do you wanna call out the obvious photoshop job or do you not have it in you to do so?[/QUOTE]

Well I would consider myself a principled MAGA and I really don't see the harm in deporting them. If you sneak into Disneyland by hopping over the gate, they're going to remove you from the park. You don't have the same rights as paying customers.

Like what would even be the point of sending them through the courts, so we could prove what we already know? If someone is in custody and they're a legal citizen all they would have to do is provide proof. If they can't do that or refuse to do that, there's a 99.9% chance it's because they're here illegally. Just ship them the fukk out and be done with it. Save the taxpayers some money.

I don't know about you but I don't feel like I am in any danger of losing my rights as a citizen because of this. That sounds like total hysteria to me.

[QUOTE=Baller234;14995028]Well I would consider myself a principled MAGA and I really don't see the harm in deporting them. If you sneak into Disneyland by hopping over the gate, they're going to remove you from the park. You don't have the same rights as paying customers.

Like what would even be the point of sending them through the courts, so we could prove what we already know? If someone is in custody and they're a legal citizen all they would have to do is provide proof. If they can't do that or refuse to do that, there's a 99.9% chance it's because they're here illegally. Just ship them the fukk out and be done with it. Save the taxpayers some money.

I don't know about you but I don't feel like I am in any danger of losing my rights as a citizen because of this. That sounds like total hysteria to me.[/QUOTE]

[I]are[/I] you a principled conservative? i like to think you're one of the better ones here but sometimes i start to wonder.

fine by me. ship the jan 6er's over there too - they're all guilty as assumed. matter of fact, come to think of it i don't like that cat that looked at me funny earlier today either. i could certainly do without 90% of the fools here at insidehoops - what do ya say? ship em all over there.

what's trump scared of not wanting the courts to handle it? rationalize it any way you want but at least call out the photoshopped pic. do me that much so i can sleep a bit better knowing you're at least [I]that[/I] unbiased.

but some rule of law. some constitution. god *uck it all. :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=diamenz;14995046][I]are[/I] you a principled conservative? i like to think you're one of the better ones here but sometimes i start to wonder.

fine by me. ship the jan 6er's over there too - they're all guilty as assumed. matter of fact, come to think of it i don't like that cat that looked at me funny earlier today either. i could certainly do without 90% of the fools here at insidehoops - what do ya say? ship em all over there.

what's trump scared of not wanting the courts to handle it? rationalize it any way you want but at least call out the photoshopped pic. do me that much so i can sleep a bit better knowing you're at least [I]that[/I] unbiased.

but some rule of law. some constitution. god *uck it all. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

What kind of false equivalency is this? No you can't just deport anyone you want because if you're a legal citizen you have a right to be here. Illegal trespassers don't have that same right. Unless Trump starts deporting legal citizens, you don't have an argument.

Also, are you serious? The tattoo is real. The after-effects in photoshop were added to help communicate the meaning. He's not actually insinuating the man has "MS13" tatted on his knuckles. It's the symbols he's referring to.

This is fascism:facepalm

[QUOTE=Baller234;14995052]What kind of false equivalency is this? No you can't just deport anyone you want because if you're a legal citizen you have a right to be here. Illegal trespassers don't have that same right. Unless Trump starts deporting legal citizens, you don't have an argument.

Also, are you serious? The tattoo is real. The after-effects in photoshop were added to help communicate the meaning. He's not actually insinuating the man has "MS13" tatted on his knuckles. It's the symbols he's referring to.[/QUOTE]

no no no no no - that's not the point i'm trying to make here. i understand the fact that he's not a us citizen. when i responded to your post i was under the assumption that the facts of this case were already established.

...garcia did indeed come into this country illegally, however - his legal status at the time and leading up to his deportation by the trump administration was not classified as illegal. according to court filings he had a legally legitimate asylum claim and therefore had protective status to remain in the country. the trump administration, using the executive power of the alien whatever act (can't recall it's proper title), bypassed these court orders to not only deport garcia but in effect shipped him off to a third world prison where, and i'm hoping you can agree with me here, has very little chance at being given his day in court for crimes that he may indeed have or may not have committed.

so do you understand the point that i'm making here, the precedent that it sets and the implications that it has the potential of bringing. a trump admin official even acknowledged the fact that this was indeed a mistake and was subsequently fired. that outta tell you something or at the very least raise some questions in the back of your mind.

now the reason this case is important and the reason the trump administration is fighting it tooth & nail is because once you open the door to bringing people back from el salvador it ruins their strategy to be able to send people there without due process. due process, or rather the rule of law, by the way, which is the cornerstone of western civilization. without it, where do we stand? so again to reitterate, while he wasn't a us citizen, he had legal status under court order which was subsequently overriden by the president to not only deport him but strip him of his right to his day and court and be held to account for any supposed crimes. this outta concern you.

so let the courts decide what crimes this guy is guilty of. i don't give a shit about him otherwise. but you can't override his (and most importantly [B]our[/B]) rights and ship him out on a plane to a third world prison indefinitely.

and in regard to the tatts - on upon closer inspection of the symbols the correlation to the letters ms13 do make sense now so i was wrong in that regard. my bad.

[QUOTE=diamenz;14995342]no no no no no - that's not the point i'm trying to make here. i understand the fact that he's not a us citizen. when i responded to your post i was under the assumption that the facts of this case were already established.

...garcia did indeed come into this country illegally, however - his legal status at the time and leading up to his deportation by the trump administration was not classified as illegal. according to court filings he had a legally legitimate asylum claim and therefore had protective status to remain in the country. the trump administration, using the executive power of the alien whatever act (can't recall it's proper title), bypassed these court orders to not only deport garcia but in effect shipped him off to a third world prison where, and i'm hoping you can agree with me here, has very little chance at being given his day in court for crimes that he may indeed have or may not have committed.

so do you understand the point that i'm making here, the precedent that it sets and the implications that it has the potential of bringing. a trump admin official even acknowledged the fact that this was indeed a mistake and was subsequently fired. that outta tell you something or at the very least raise some questions in the back of your mind.

now the reason this case is important and the reason the trump administration is fighting it tooth & nail is because once you open the door to bringing people back from el salvador it ruins their strategy to be able to send people there without due process. due process, or rather the rule of law, by the way, which is the cornerstone of western civilization. without it, where do we stand? so again to reitterate, while he wasn't a us citizen, he had legal status under court order which was subsequently overriden by the president to not only deport him but strip him of his right to his day and court and be held to account for any supposed crimes. this outta concern you.

so let the courts decide what crimes this guy is guilty of. i don't give a shit about him otherwise. but you can't override his (and most importantly [B]our[/B]) rights and ship him out on a plane to a third world prison indefinitely.

[B]and in regard to the tatts - on upon closer inspection of the symbols the correlation to the letters ms13 do make sense now so i was wrong in that regard. my bad.[/b][/QUOTE]

La Mara Salvatrucha does not use encoded tattoos, they never have, they blast out exactly who they are, even on their neck and face. Abrego Garcia was never MS13. The informer who claimed Abrego Garcia was a gang member claimed Abrego Garcia was in the NY clique of MS13 but there's no evidence he ever even lived in NY and no evidence he was in a gang when he lived in El Salvador so...

[QUOTE=diamenz;14994682]so what's the verdict on this abrego garcia guy? folks are talking about how he's entitled to due process regardless of whether he's ms13 or not. fine, i don't see a problem with that - let the courts decide. constitutionalists stand the *uck up. why was he shipped off to el savador without it? people are also saying that trump's photo of the gang tattoos on garcia's hands were photoshopped into the image. what's up?

[URL="https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-posts-image-kilmar-abrego-175852020.html"]Trump Posts Photoshopped Image of Kilmar Abrego Garcia’s Knuckle Tattoos With Disputed ‘MS-13’ Interpretation[/URL]

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It's a dual reality story that can be argued one way or the other, depending on which facts you focus on and which ones you don't.

Wish there was more background on his life and how he was allowed to stay even though he was illegal, instead of all these gaping holes in what the MSM writes about him. E.g in the official arrest report interview, it's stated specifically that he doesn't have any fears about going back to El Salvador, but now this fear is the reason why he should still be in the US.

So many holes it it all, but in the end what they're arguing about is if whether or not he should be deported to El Salvador or another country, because he is an illegal immigrant in the US. I think dems are using this case to try and make the argument that all illegals needs new hearings before they can be deported, because they know that way Trump will never be able to deport any kind of meaningful number of illegals in the next 4 years.

And the whole thing about the MS13 letters not actually being a tattoo on his fingers but instead photoshopped is pure lol retardedness.

[QUOTE=ZenMaster;14995389]It's a dual reality story that can be argued one way or the other, depending on which facts you focus on and which ones you don't.

Wish there was more background on his life and how he was allowed to stay even though he was illegal, instead of all these gaping holes in what the MSM writes about him. E.g in the official arrest report interview, it's stated specifically that he doesn't have any fears about going back to El Salvador, but now this fear is the reason why he should still be in the US.

So many holes it it all, but in the end what they're arguing about is if whether or not he should be deported to El Salvador or another country, because he is an illegal immigrant in the US. I think dems are using this case to try and make the argument that all illegals needs new hearings before they can be deported, because they know that way Trump will never be able to deport any kind of meaningful number of illegals in the next 4 years.

And the whole thing about the MS13 letters not actually being a tattoo on his fingers but instead photoshopped is pure lol retardedness.[/QUOTE]
That's a lot of words to try and deflect from the fact that your hero doesn't respect due process. No one has rights besides Dump and his goons eh? That's what you want? That'll end well :rolleyes:

I knew a dude who was brought to the Bay Area from Mexico as an infant. Never became nationalized or a US citizen. Never was taught or spoke Spanish either. Basically raised as an illegal but completely Americanized.

Dude got involved in gangs as a teenager and ended up in getting busted in Arizona for something. AZ straight up drove him across the border and dropped him off. Dude spoke no Spanish and was a northerner with no real connection to Mexico. lol. Shits tough.

This was 25 years ago.

[QUOTE=RRR3;14995391]That's a lot of words to try and deflect from the fact that your hero doesn't respect due process. No one has rights besides Dump and his goons eh? That's what you want? That'll end well :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

What does due process look like in this case, him getting to choose which country he's deported to? What if the country of his choosing doesn't want him?

The only due process RRR3 knows is what he has to do when someone doesn’t return their library book on time

[QUOTE=diamenz;14995342]no no no no no - that's not the point i'm trying to make here. i understand the fact that he's not a us citizen. when i responded to your post i was under the assumption that the facts of this case were already established.

...garcia did indeed come into this country illegally, however - his legal status at the time and leading up to his deportation by the trump administration was not classified as illegal. according to court filings he had a legally legitimate asylum claim and therefore had protective status to remain in the country. the trump administration, using the executive power of the alien whatever act (can't recall it's proper title), bypassed these court orders to not only deport garcia but in effect shipped him off to a third world prison where, and i'm hoping you can agree with me here, has very little chance at being given his day in court for crimes that he may indeed have or may not have committed.

so do you understand the point that i'm making here, the precedent that it sets and the implications that it has the potential of bringing. a trump admin official even acknowledged the fact that this was indeed a mistake and was subsequently fired. that outta tell you something or at the very least raise some questions in the back of your mind.

now the reason this case is important and the reason the trump administration is fighting it tooth & nail is because once you open the door to bringing people back from el salvador it ruins their strategy to be able to send people there without due process. due process, or rather the rule of law, by the way, which is the cornerstone of western civilization. without it, where do we stand? so again to reitterate, while he wasn't a us citizen, he had legal status under court order which was subsequently overriden by the president to not only deport him but strip him of his right to his day and court and be held to account for any supposed crimes. this outta concern you.

so let the courts decide what crimes this guy is guilty of. i don't give a shit about him otherwise. but you can't override his (and most importantly [B]our[/B]) rights and ship him out on a plane to a third world prison indefinitely.

and in regard to the tatts - on upon closer inspection of the symbols the correlation to the letters ms13 do make sense now so i was wrong in that regard. my bad.[/QUOTE]

I'm sorry but no matter how many times you say "rule of law", the fact is they don't belong here. They aren't citizens so the law applies differently. They aren't entitled to the same protections and same privileges. If he's MIS-13 that means he's part of a foreign terrorist organization, which makes him ineligible for legal status to begin with.

Obviously we don't want good and honest getting lost in the shuffle, but so far the only people I see being shipped out are MS-13 affiliated gang members who snuck in and don't belong here. So what the fukk why are we even fighting over this.

Even if we did detain them here, the "due process" people would just be shouting "concentration camps" instead. There's no winning.

[QUOTE=ZenMaster;14995426]What does due process look like in this case, him getting to choose which country he's deported to? What if the country of his choosing doesn't want him?[/QUOTE]
Dude already told you what due process was why are you asking me questions about stuff diamenz already detailed.

[QUOTE=Baller234;14995485]

, but so far the only people I see being shipped out are MS-13 affiliated gang members who snuck in and don't belong here

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you've probed around and researched this in an honest and unbiased way to ensure this fact and you're not just taking the white house and it's cohorts in the media at face value i assume?

furthermore, do you look at the trump administration with the same amount of skepticism and doubt as you did the biden administration or would any other democrat in office?

let's be honest - you couldn't criticize or call out trump if you tried, could you? i can stand here and say *uck trump and *uck biden both. i take it issue by issue - not color to color or left to right. i doubt everything from any administration. to what extent can you say the same thing?

[QUOTE=Baller234;14995485]

Even if we did detain them here, [B]the "due process" people would just be shouting "concentration camps" [/B]instead. There's no winning.[/quote]

so? why worry about what the peanut gallery has to say and more importantly, why get hung up on it?

[QUOTE=diamenz;14995497]you've probed around and researched this in an honest and unbiased way to ensure this fact and you're not just taking the white house and it's cohorts in the media at face value i assume?

furthermore, do you look at the trump administration with the same amount of skepticism and doubt as you did the biden administration or would any other democrat in office?

let's be honest - you couldn't criticize or call out trump if you tried, could you? i can stand here and say *uck trump and *uck biden both. i take it issue by issue - not color to color or left to right. i doubt everything from any administration. to what extent can you say the same thing?

so? why worry about what the peanut gallery has to say and more importantly, why get hung up on it?[/QUOTE]

I am skeptical of everyone at all times. That includes Trump. Just because I voted for him does not mean I unequivocally support everything he says and does. I'm well aware of what he is but more importantly I'm well aware of what he's not. Trump is NOT the anti-christ. When you approach the conversation from that vantage point it's much easier to have a rational discussion.

As for how do I know there aren't any good and honest people getting sent to El-Salvador? Well let's see, the democrats and the anti-Trump cult is foaming at the mouth for a mascot and yet with all their resources and investigative journalism so far all they have is Krazy Kilmar the violent wife beating MS-13 gang member. I think that's pretty telling.

I care about what the peanut gallery has to say because it sways public opinion. They already have people like you repeating "due process". As if that's what's really keeping you up at night. As if anyone honestly thinks Trump is just going to start violating everyone's human and civil rights because he wants to get the gang members out.

Accusing Diamenz of being brainwashed by Democrats is pretty obvious proof you're the one who is actually brainwashed to anyone who's not in the cult lol. Diamenz is a conservative, just because he doesn't like your hero doesn't mean he's a democrat. In fact you guys probably agree on a ton. But only 100% devotion will do in the cult.

Jesus Christ you're so stupid you have me defending a dumbass racist in diamenz.

[QUOTE=RRR3;14995506]Jesus Christ you're so stupid you have me defending a dumbass racist in diamenz.[/QUOTE]
I don't recall any post from diamenz that I would consider racist :confusedshrug: