LeBron whining about "ring culture" in the NBA

[B]THIS IS WHY WE HATE:[/B]

This narcissistic sack of sh*t has made his ENTIRE career about team-jumping, building super teams and even using his buddy's agency to funnel talent to his teams in order to win as many rings as he can and tie/pass MJ. Now that he's seeing he most likely won't get there all of a sudden he thinks "ring culture" is a bad thing for the sport...

:facepalm

[url]https://x.com/mindthegamepod/status/1934960945006276842[/url]

[B][I]"I don't know why it's discussed so much in our sport... You tell me Iverson, Barkley, Nash weren't f**** unbelievable? They can't be talked about with these guys because they won rings?

It's like saying Peyton Manning can't be in the same room as Brady or Mahomes because he only has 1 ring.

Barry Bonds never won a world series and you can't sit here and tell me that he's not the greatest baseball player to ever touch a bat."[/I][/B]

He probably felt that way before leaving even leaving Cleveland..?

Damn, Mannings 2nd ring so unimpressive it gets forgotten

[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;15015244]Damn, Mannings 2nd ring so unimpressive it gets forgotten[/QUOTE]

:oldlol:

So I guess he’d be okay getting compared to Barkley, Iverson and Nash? :oldlol:

This was a question asked by a fan in the Mind the Game podcast. He was also asked who the toughest defender he had faced was and he said Ron Artest. I thought you was going to say Kawhi. Nash named Jason Kidd.

Also Nash and LeBron believe the triangle offense would fail in today's league because of pace and space. Tex Winter would have to adjust it somehow to make it work.

For anyone interested...

[video=youtube_share;RnyPoTwGp2A]https://youtu.be/RnyPoTwGp2A?si=nhbhvBA-7hia-Gqv[/video]

Not surprising coming from the biggest underachiever in the history of the sport.

I mean, of course when you come into the league thinking you're some kind of "chosen one" and then come nowhere near being considered the GOAT, even by the current generation, you're going to be bitter about it.

:lebroncry:

[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;15015244]Damn, Mannings 2nd ring so unimpressive it gets forgotten[/QUOTE]

Totally forgot about that in all honesty.

[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;15015244]Damn, Mannings 2nd ring so unimpressive it gets forgotten[/QUOTE]

Both of them are unimpressive.

[QUOTE=Meticode;15015261]This was a question asked by a fan in the Mind the Game podcast. He was also asked who the toughest defender he had faced was and he said Ron Artest. I thought you was going to say Kawhi. Nash named Jason Kidd.

Also Nash and LeBron believe the triangle offense would fail in today's league because of pace and space. Tex Winter would have to adjust it somehow to make it work.

For anyone interested...

[video=youtube_share;RnyPoTwGp2A]https://youtu.be/RnyPoTwGp2A?si=nhbhvBA-7hia-Gqv[/video][/QUOTE]

So much great content in this interview, but people just focus on that ring comment? :oldlol:

And it's pretty obvious he made that comment to make Nash feel better. It's something people do all the time to build rapport.

[QUOTE=ImKobe;15015277]Both of them are unimpressive.[/QUOTE]
The 2nd one is Trent Dilfer level.

[QUOTE=IllegalD;15015230]This narcissistic sack of shit[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=guy;15015258]So I guess he’d be okay getting compared to Barkley, Iverson and Nash? :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

Exactly.

Same guy who dubbed himself the greatest of all time.

Lebron is honestly so damn humble.

Dude has 4 of the hardest rings ever and yet he still downplays his rings. GOAT stuff.

He had to mention Nash :roll:

[QUOTE=ImKobe;15015277]Both of them are unimpressive.[/QUOTE]

He wasn't even the worst QB in his second one.

Hes kind of right and OKC is showing it right now.

A guy like Tmac never made it out of the 1st round... you think he couldnt do that with this thunder team? Hes basically a 6'9 longer stronger tougher SGA.

[QUOTE=Gudo;15015312]He had to mention Nash :roll:[/QUOTE]

Nash was a multiple time MVP and his game didn't go down in the playoffs at all. He would've been champion if not for Robert Horrys cheap shot which ruined the series in 2007 on a technicality.

[QUOTE=tpols;15015320]Hes kind of right and OKC is showing it right now.

A guy like Tmac never made it out of the 1st round... you think he couldnt do that with this thunder team? Hes basically a 6'9 longer stronger tougher SGA.[/QUOTE]

Yes.

MJ went 1-9 without Pip
Peak Kobe was getting bounced in the 1st round without a 2nd star

The rule for great players is that they should win titles when they have all-star help

Lebron's skillset of turning everyone into spot-up shooter lacks sufficient chemistry to win with regular all-stars, so he needs franchise players and 1st options from other teams to play 2nd and 3rd option for him .. And then the weak chemistry STILL mostly loses.

So of course Lebron hates rings! He can't win them without unprecedented help and still mostly loses

[QUOTE=IllegalD;15015230]

[b]Barry Bonds never won a world series and you can't sit here and tell me that he's not the greatest baseball player to ever touch a bat."[/I][/B][/QUOTE]




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[QUOTE=Meticode;15015261]This was a question asked by a fan in the Mind the Game podcast. He was also asked who the toughest defender he had faced was and he said Ron Artest. I thought you was going to say Kawhi. Nash named Jason Kidd.

Also Nash and LeBron believe the triangle offense would fail in today's league because of pace and space. Tex Winter would have to adjust it somehow to make it work.

For anyone interested...

[video=youtube_share;RnyPoTwGp2A]https://youtu.be/RnyPoTwGp2A?si=nhbhvBA-7hia-Gqv[/video][/QUOTE]

I think it was Phil(?) who said the ideal player type for the triangle was Shaq but in general, I think it was mostly built around the premise of having a great post weapon ala the aforementioned Shaq, MJ during the title years created tons of offense out of the post especially in the 2nd 3peat, and Kobe playing the '2nd 3peat' MJ role on those 09 and 10 Lakers squads. But also consider the overall pedigree of those names, I"m not aware of the triangle producing elite results( as in chips) without having that level of talent anchoring it along with the right surrounding pieces.

[QUOTE=3ba11;15015336]So of course Lebron hates rings! He can't win them without unprecedented help and still mostly loses[/QUOTE]
LeBron winning with Wade averaging 16 ppg in 2013 really ruins this narrative for you.

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;15015425]LeBron winning with Wade averaging 16 ppg in 2013 really ruins this narrative for you.[/QUOTE]


Lebron and Wade averaged 25 and 20 in the Finals, otherwise he faced the 49-win Pacers to win the East because his "decision" diluted the conference... This is why the championship level (Finals) is required to qualify for carrying the scoring load, or top 5 SRS opponents - Lebron has never carried the scoring load against either.

Lebron's inability to carry the "star" category of scoring requires more star help and prevents GM's from getting defensive help.. Accordingly, Lebron's inability to carry the scoring load prevents elite roster construction, while his skillset of imposing spot-up roles further hampers roster construction.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15015322]Yes.

MJ went 1-9 without Pip
Peak Kobe was getting bounced in the 1st round without a 2nd star[/QUOTE]


Because they played in an actual competitive conference unlike LeInsecure who got to cakewalk through the sh*t Leastern Conference.

:lebronamazed::lebroncry:

[QUOTE=IllegalD;15015589]Because they played in an actual competitive conference unlike LeInsecure who got to cakewalk through the sh*t Leastern Conference.

:lebronamazed::lebroncry:[/QUOTE]

Kobe blew a 3-1 lead during that time. :kobe:

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;15015425]LeBron winning with Wade averaging 16 ppg in 2013 really ruins this narrative for you.[/QUOTE]

How does that ruin his narrative when Wade averaged more than anyone on the Spurs in the 2013 Finals, and dropped 32 points in a must-win Game 4 on the road? Lebron averaged just 4.7 more points than Wade in the Finals. So D-Wade showed up when it mattered vs. their toughest competition.

He is right, but he is also the wrong guy to say it given his post 2010 decisions lol.

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From one steroid user to another...

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I can't think of a single day in which Full Court didn't send the stinky boy into a full on bitch fit. :roll:

No wonder he's consensus biggest loser on ISH.


:lebronamazed:

(and stinky)

[QUOTE=game3524;15015658]He is right, but he is also the wrong guy to say it given his post 2010 decisions lol.[/QUOTE]

He's not right though.

I don't think you need a championship to be considered an all time great, but there's something to be said for someone who won multiple times under different sets of circumstances.

Someone already said it here but look at Bron. He would take it as a personal insult if someone dared to put him on the same tier as Steve Nash and rightfully so.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15015699]He's not right though.

I don't think you need a championship to be considered an all time great, but there's something to be said for someone who won multiple times under different sets of circumstances.

Someone already said it here but look at Bron. He would take it as a personal insult if someone dared to put him on the same tier as Steve Nash and rightfully so.[/QUOTE]

If you beleive this then isn't also super disrespectful to the late great Bill Russell for [B]ANYONE[/B] to be in the same tier as Russell he nearly has double the rings of the next great players in history.

The truth lies in context and nuance which is why lebrons never had a fair shake in these debates. Everything in lebrons career is taken at face value while the rest of nba history gets context to defend their cases. Mj himself has said a pretty similar thing in an interview and brought up Russell. Maybe we should pour on Mj too because hes doing the same thing when it comes to him and Bill. The only difference is Lebron is only 2 rings short of Mj while Mj is 5 short of Russell, a pretty substantial mark.

[QUOTE=sdot_thadon;15015719]If you beleive this then isn't also super disrespectful to the late great Bill Russell for [B]ANYONE[/B] to be in the same tier as Russell he nearly has double the rings of the next great players in history.

The truth lies in context and nuance which is why lebrons never had a fair shake in these debates. Everything in lebrons career is taken at face value while the rest of nba history gets context to defend their cases. Mj himself has said a pretty similar thing in an interview and brought up Russell. Maybe we should pour on Mj too because hes doing the same thing when it comes to him and Bill. The only difference is Lebron is only 2 rings short of Mj while Mj is 5 short of Russell, a pretty substantial mark.[/QUOTE]

I agree there's context and nuance. You can only compare players relative to their era. But winning is still winning. Someone who led a team to multiple championships in their era is going to be on another pedestal from someone who couldn't win in theirs. That's why we don't put Steve Nash on the same tier as Olajuwon.

That's not an insult to Nash and the other all time greats who weren't as lucky, but the absolute best of the best defy luck.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15015996]I agree there's context and nuance. You can only compare players relative to their era. But winning is still winning. Someone who led a team to multiple championships in their era is going to be on another pedestal from someone who couldn't win in theirs. That's why we don't put Steve Nash on the same tier as Olajuwon.

That's not an insult to Nash and the other all time greats who weren't as lucky, but the absolute best of the best defy luck.[/QUOTE]

The way ive always seen it is you win a ring(as a top contributor obviously) to validate your greatness. If you can win multiple times it pretty much cements you as an ATG and a winner. From there circumstance takes the wheel and your career plays out the way it plays out, sometimes circumstance keeps a great player from reaching their potential too. I think its fair to compare across eras as long as its done responsibly, with context and nuance. I never believed something could "take away" from a players legacy. I never saw that until Kobe and Lebron. And I think lebron is just speaking for great players who weren't able to win. One of them is an idol of his (Iverson) another is one of his best friends (Melo) and I agree the whole ring culture fad is toxic and honestly a lazy ass way to debate hoops for my money.

[QUOTE=sdot_thadon;15016027]The way ive always seen it is you win a ring(as a top contributor obviously) to validate your greatness. If you can win multiple times it pretty much cements you as an ATG and a winner. From there circumstance takes the wheel and your career plays out the way it plays out, sometimes circumstance keeps a great player from reaching their potential too. I think its fair to compare across eras as long as its done responsibly, with context and nuance. I never believed something could "take away" from a players legacy. I never saw that until Kobe and Lebron. And I think lebron is just speaking for great players who weren't able to win. One of them is an idol of his (Iverson) another is one of his best friends (Melo) and I agree the whole ring culture fad is toxic and honestly a lazy ass way to debate hoops for my money.[/QUOTE]

But guys like Melo weren't winners for a reason. It's not like there's a grand conspiracy here to keep him out of ATG discussions.

He was a great talent but more than talent is required to win at the highest level.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15016031]But guys like Melo weren't winners for a reason. It's not like there's a grand conspiracy here to keep him out of ATG discussions.

He was a great talent but more than talent is required to win at the highest level.[/QUOTE]

Not a winner according to who? People who watch from home? That guy won a national championship when he was a kid before the NBA. Narrative made by fans aren't the end all be all on players. If Melo was drafted by that dumbass in Detroit hed be seen as a winner. If Iverson was drafted to the Lakers instead of Kobe, hed be seen as a winner. Its not fair to guys who had tougher circumstances to winning to be judged agaisnt people who fell into great situations without acknowledging that fact.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15016031]But guys like Melo weren't winners for a reason. It's not like there's a grand conspiracy here to keep him out of ATG discussions.

He was a great talent but more than talent is required to win at the highest level.[/QUOTE]
Just curious. What do you think of arvydas sabonis? Some braindead casual here actually thought that he became an all-star even if that never happened at all. Anyway, i brought him up because many people and fans love to judge these players by taking a look at their resume in the nba if they did participate in it. But guys like him have had a much grand career or something like that outside of it, which is why he still ended up being in the hof[url=https://i.ibb.co/hX34jLs/IMG-20221001-103220.jpg].[/url]

[QUOTE=Axe;15016084]Just curious. What do you think of arvydas sabonis? Some braindead casual here actually thought that he became an all-star even if that never happened at all. Anyway, i brought him up because many people and fans love to judge these players by taking a look at their resume in the nba if they did participate in it. But guys like him have had a much grand career or something like that outside of it, which is why he still ended up being in the hof[url=https://i.ibb.co/hX34jLs/IMG-20221001-103220.jpg].[/url][/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?520515-Biggest-Loser-On-ISH-Poll-Final-Bracket[/url]

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[QUOTE=sdot_thadon;15016077]Not a winner according to who? People who watch from home? That guy won a national championship when he was a kid before the NBA. Narrative made by fans aren't the end all be all on players. If Melo was drafted by that dumbass in Detroit hed be seen as a winner. If Iverson was drafted to the Lakers instead of Kobe, hed be seen as a winner. Its not fair to guys who had tougher circumstances to winning to be judged agaisnt people who fell into great situations without acknowledging that fact.[/QUOTE]

Carmelo played in 16 playoff series in his career and won 3.

His playoff record is 23-55.

He made it to the 3rd round once and made it to the 2nd round once.

I understand that not everyone is lucky to play with other all time greats, but sorry that's not the resume of a winning player. Yes I know he won in college but talent gets you further in college than it does in the pros.

[QUOTE=tpols;15015320]Hes kind of right and OKC is showing it right now.

A guy like Tmac never made it out of the 1st round... you think he couldnt do that with this thunder team? Hes basically a 6'9 longer stronger tougher SGA.[/QUOTE]

He went up 3-1 in a series. All Tmac
He lost 3-1 series. All team

Never made it past rd 1 with Rockets. All team
Rockets made it to 2nd rd the year Tmac was injured. All Tmac…wait what