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America is going to need factories and it's going to need jobs
AI is coming for a lot of jobs. Entry level jobs, admin jobs, tech jobs, design jobs, media jobs, white collar jobs, etc.
What America is going to need is blue collar workers. Lots of them. Unfortunately I don't think everyone is capable of learning a skilled trade. We're going to need more auto factories, clothes factories... all of it.
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Re: America is going to need factories and it's going to need jobs
While I agree largely with the premise, it’s for different reasons.
The AI is coming for jobs is wildly overstated at the moment. Much like when Microsoft and the internet came around, there was a drastic shift but we didn’t all of sudden see a cut of people working in the corporate world in half. Secretaries and paper-pushers were just forced to adapt their skills and redirect to certain areas. Same will happen here I think. With the power of AI able to handle certain functions, companies will then shift focus to improving deliverability, opening up new lanes that we probably haven’t quite seen yet. Entry level folks in particular will have their finger on the pulse of these areas, whatever they may be.
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Re: America is going to need factories and it's going to need jobs
I think that areas of national security must be encouraged (through tariffs/subsidies) to be manufactured here in the US: antibiotics/drugs, food, computer chips, rare minerals, etc.
As far as other stuff like clothes, toys, trinkets, I think we should again use tariffs for geo-political advantage. Put highest tariffs on China, lower on India (so they will catch up and be a neighborly threat to China) and the lowest tariffs on Vietnam, Cambodia (countries that are not a threat to the US).
I don't think the AI threat is over-stated. It is EXPOTENTIALLY improving and will displace jobs MUCH faster than people (especially older ones) can adjust. I don't think that college/high schools are doing anything in particular to prepare the young for AI either - should we just depend on self-initiative of the few to use AI? Entry level white collar jobs are being affected most - with AI replacing what they used to do. How are our new college grads to get a foot in or learn the skills normally acquired at this level?
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Re: America is going to need factories and it's going to need jobs
I was disappointed that this Big Beautiful Bill did not address a national framework for AI - that means there'll be a patchwork of laws by state. This is especially concerning because Silicon Valley is in California - and who knows what crazy, nutty laws CA will pass? AI is a matter of national security - it should not be left to the states.
IMO, it is essential that the US win the AI war (over China) - both economically and militarily.
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Re: America is going to need factories and it's going to need jobs
[QUOTE=rmt;15020450]I think that areas of national security must be encouraged (through tariffs/subsidies) to be manufactured here in the US: antibiotics/drugs, food, computer chips, rare minerals, etc.
As far as other stuff like clothes, toys, trinkets, I think we should again use tariffs for geo-political advantage. Put highest tariffs on China, lower on India (so they will catch up and be a neighborly threat to China) and the lowest tariffs on Vietnam, Cambodia (countries that are not a threat to the US).
I don't think the AI threat is over-stated. It is EXPOTENTIALLY improving and will displace jobs MUCH faster than people (especially older ones) can adjust. I don't think that college/high schools are doing anything in particular to prepare the young for AI either - should we just depend on self-initiative of the few to use AI? Entry level white collar jobs are being affected most - with AI replacing what they used to do. How are our new college grads to get a foot in or learn the skills normally acquired at this level?[/QUOTE]
Utilizing the internet wasn’t part of high school or college curriculum at the time either. It’s far more interwoven into our fabric as we operate than that, as AI soon will be. And perhaps already is with kids.
I don’t think that reading upside down, poorly handwritten documents, or other various mundane things that AI can now do is “skills acquired” in a necessary way. Like many stupid first jobs were.
I think because of all the stupid bullshit new grads used to have to do for $14 an hour going by the wayside means now newer folks will be thrown into the fire and come out far more skilled than before. Again, don’t know exactly which areas will take off from this (although there WILL be new avenues), but it’s safe to say we’ve been through these types of events before and have figured out how to adapt and improve productivity.
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Re: America is going to need factories and it's going to need jobs
[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15020443]While I agree largely with the premise, it’s for different reasons.
[B]The AI is coming for jobs is wildly overstated at the moment. Much like when Microsoft and the internet came around, there was a drastic shift but we didn’t all of sudden see a cut of people working in the corporate world in half.[/B] Secretaries and paper-pushers were just forced to adapt their skills and redirect to certain areas. Same will happen here I think. With the power of AI able to handle certain functions, companies will then shift focus to improving deliverability, opening up new lanes that we probably haven’t quite seen yet. Entry level folks in particular will have their finger on the pulse of these areas, whatever they may be.[/QUOTE]
It's a bit different this time, and the reason is because all past technologies, including the conventional internet, still required humans to operate them.
Cars replaced horse n carriages but every cab still needed a driver. The lawn mower is invented, you still need someone running it. New medical discoveries require doctors to apply a diagnosis.
What new jobs do driverless cars create? Or autonomous roomba lawnmowers? Or doctor AI, or legal AI that can consult round the clock and has endless time to give?
Autonomous entities are not new tools, theyre new [I]agents[/I]. They dont supplement humans, they replace them. It's an unprecedented inflection point in history.
Youre right about new jobs for AI technicians and such. But people with those skills are very limited. Most people will be disrupted. Bigly. And out of work masses create chaos. No point allowing more unskilled people here pursuing work driving cabs or mowing lawns or flipping burgers. Theyre being replaced SOON. What automation still cant do yet, farm work and hotel maid service, got immigration exemptions. But in general jobs will shrink. Oh, and teachers. Tens of thousands of teachers will be replaced. Hence bye bye Education Department.
Trump's policies are not just being pulled out his ass. They are existential issues people in the intelligentsia have been predicting for over a decade. Lot of Americans themselves are going to need work. They pity the illegal/deported now, but wait til theyre competing with them for precious few labor jobs or else going hungry.
Just be glad youre here. It's going to get much more dire in the third world with fewer people sending back money to already meager economies. And no more US aid because developing poor countries no longer benefits us. Lotta countries headed back to the stone age, for real. Lets hope Taco Man doesnt lose track of his US passport
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Re: America is going to need factories and it's going to need jobs
The US needs a cogent national framework for AI. They also need to fast-track all avenues to produce more energy (this is an area where China is way ahead of us). Forget these environmental crazies where energy and rare earth minerals are concerned.
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Re: America is going to need factories and it's going to need jobs
And Republicans need to codify it before the Dems come in and put their inevitable restrictions on AI. Repubs should take the lead in this area with the advice from David Sacks, Elon, Thiel, etc.
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Re: America is going to need factories and it's going to need jobs
[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15020493]Utilizing the internet wasn’t part of high school or college curriculum at the time either. It’s far more interwoven into our fabric as we operate than that, as AI soon will be. And perhaps already is with kids.
I don’t think that reading upside down, poorly handwritten documents, or other various mundane things that AI can now do is “skills acquired” in a necessary way. Like many stupid first jobs were.
I think because of all the stupid bullshit new grads used to have to do for $14 an hour going by the wayside means now newer folks will be thrown into the fire and come out far more skilled than before. Again, don’t know exactly which areas will take off from this (although there WILL be new avenues), but it’s safe to say we’ve been through these types of events before and have figured out how to adapt and improve productivity.[/QUOTE]
AI will be a much bigger impact because it can literally replace jobs, compared to the internet that was only a tool to make workers more effective. My firm just let a ton of people go because you can hire entire Indian firms for $250k/ year(no more language barriers when ChatGPT can just ‘write it better’) and why pay a 15-20 year guy $450k when you can pay a fresh CFA 80k and ai makes up for the gap in experience and expertise? The internet was a tool to spread information and make knowledge accessible, which is huge, but it wasn’t creating new research by itself like AI is. China’s nuclear plants have been innovating with research aided by AI, AI is innovating medicine and surgery, and most importantly AI is advancing AI research; so all of this is just going to snowball.
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Re: America is going to need factories and it's going to need jobs
UBI is coming. And it should not be feared. We will have no choice. White collar jobs will be phased out first, and then blue collar with robotics. Everyone needs to understand, that it has always been humanity's working goal to get to a place where there is no work. And that is what it will be.
The question is though, how bad will things get before we make the big change? It could be a very long and painful transition.
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Re: America is going to need factories and it's going to need jobs
[QUOTE=Bill Gates;15020889]UBI is coming. And it should not be feared. We will have no choice. White collar jobs will be phased out first, and then blue collar with robotics. Everyone needs to understand, that it has always been humanity's working goal to get to a place where there is no work. And that is what it will be.
The question is though, how bad will things get before we make the big change? It could be a very long and painful transition.[/QUOTE]
UBI is coming and it should not be feared.... It's only going to be a living hell to get to that point.... but have no fear because out of all that chaos, Socialism will restore order.
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Re: America is going to need factories and it's going to need jobs
America needs the epstein list, unredacted.
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[QUOTE=Doomsday Dallas;15021102]UBI is coming and it should not be feared.... It's only going to be a living hell to get to that point.... but have no fear because out of all that chaos, Socialism will restore order.[/QUOTE]
The way I think it will play out is very lengthy, over many years, with some industries being hit much harder than others. And others not being hit at all.
Luckily, it will not be a case of AI suddenly replacing all jobs all at once causing mass chaos and hell. It will be a case of AI slowly taking out one sector at a time. And I think what will happen is that once unemployment hits a really bad spot, like 25% or so, then society will say "okay we have to implement UBI there is no other option". And then that will be that.
UBI is not really socialism btw.
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Re: America is going to need factories and it's going to need jobs
[QUOTE=Bill Gates;15020889]UBI is coming. And it should not be feared. We will have no choice. White collar jobs will be phased out first, and then blue collar with robotics. Everyone needs to understand, that it has always been humanity's working goal to get to a place where there is no work. And that is what it will be.
The question is though, how bad will things get before we make the big change? It could be a very long and painful transition.[/QUOTE]
So the government decides how much money everyone receives?
That sounds like hell to me, but by all means you're free to keep wishing.
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Re: America is going to need factories and it's going to need jobs
[QUOTE=Baller234;15021163]So the government decides how much money everyone receives?
That sounds like hell to me, but by all means you're free to keep wishing.[/QUOTE]
It’s a weird fantasy from losers who have no real smarts or skills like our resident coper Bill Gaytes.
Something tells me he’s been on the Goverment Cheese for along time now and he’s fantasizing about a wack reality where everyone is as helpless and pathetic as him.
It’s a weird coping strategy.
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Re: America is going to need factories and it's going to need jobs
[QUOTE=Bill Gates;15021145]The way I think it will play out is very lengthy, over many years, with some industries being hit much harder than others. And others not being hit at all.
Luckily, it will not be a case of AI suddenly replacing all jobs all at once causing mass chaos and hell. It will be a case of AI slowly taking out one sector at a time. And I think what will happen is that once unemployment hits a really bad spot, like 25% or so, then society will say "okay we have to implement UBI there is no other option". And then that will be that.
[B]UBI is not really socialism[/B] btw.[/QUOTE]
Pray, where will the government get the money to do UBI if 25% of the population is unemployed (not enough taxes)? There would be only be control of the remaining "producing" industries/sectors.
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Re: America is going to need factories and it's going to need jobs
[QUOTE=warriorfan;15021199]It’s a weird fantasy from losers who have no real smarts or skills like our resident coper Bill Gaytes.
Something tells me he’s been on the Goverment Cheese for along time now and he’s fantasizing about a wack reality where everyone is as helpless and pathetic as him.
It’s a weird coping strategy.[/QUOTE]
His post was very telling, especially the part where said humanity's goal was to reach a point where they didn't have to work. As if he alone speaks for all of humanity and knows what our end goal should be.
Also, who the hell wants a future where no one works? That also sounds like hell. Work provides balance. You can't just live a life of excess and not have any responsibility or contribute anything to society. Even Jesus worked as a carpenter.
This is why I always say the woke losers secretly loved the Covid lockdowns. It gave them a chance to stay home all day without the feeling of guilt. Not only that they got to pretend like they were doing something righteous and virtuous. They were saving lives by staying home. They were sticking it to the Trump by staying home.
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Re: America is going to need factories and it's going to need jobs
[QUOTE=Baller234;15021163]So the government decides how much money everyone receives?
That sounds like hell to me, but by all means you're free to keep wishing.[/QUOTE]
No that is not how UBI works. Every citizen is free to go out and get as rich as they can. But every citizen also gets a base salary that pays for food, electricity, bare necessities.
Eventually though, far enough down the road, it's going to get weird. Because AI and automation will make material items so cheap and plentiful to create, that it will get to the point that money itself is not needed. Just, everyone has everything. Very few humans working at all. But of course, if you WANT to work, you can. Your life is up to you.
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Re: America is going to need factories and it's going to need jobs
[QUOTE=rmt;15021221]Pray, where will the government get the money to do UBI if 25% of the population is unemployed (not enough taxes)? There would be only be control of the remaining "producing" industries/sectors.[/QUOTE]
Modern Monetary Theory. They will essentially just "print it up" and whatever currency they control they will destroy to keep inflation in check. Obviously much more complex than that but that is it in layman's terms.
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Re: America is going to need factories and it's going to need jobs
[QUOTE=Bill Gates;15021247]Modern Monetary Theory. They will essentially just "print it up" and whatever currency they control they will destroy to keep inflation in check. Obviously much more complex than that but that is it in layman's terms.[/QUOTE]
They can only print it up so much before people don't trust/want your currency. They're already doing that as seen by the lessening demand for US treasuries. Gold, silver and bitcoin.
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Re: America is going to need factories and it's going to need jobs
[QUOTE=rmt;15021261]They can only print it up so much before people don't trust/want your currency. They're already doing that as seen by the lessening demand for US treasuries. Gold, silver and bitcoin.[/QUOTE]
That is inflation you are talking about. They have to keep that in check, yes.
I mean, they are more or less doing it now. Our tax dollars are not spent, it is just money they remove from circulation to keep inflation in check. When our Gov needs money? They do not wait to collect it all in taxes first. They just draw a bill, print it up and spend it.
On a local state level? That is where you find tax dollars used the way people think they are used.
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Re: America is going to need factories and it's going to need jobs
[QUOTE=Bill Gates;15021240]No that is not how UBI works. [B][SIZE=4]Every citizen is free to go out and get as rich as they can. But every citizen also gets a base salary that pays for food, electricity, bare necessities. [/SIZE][/B]
Eventually though, far enough down the road, it's going to get weird. Because AI and automation will make material items so cheap and plentiful to create, that it will get to the point that money itself is not needed. Just, everyone has everything. Very few humans working at all. But of course, if you WANT to work, you can. Your life is up to you.[/QUOTE]
How does that work? In order for the government to be able to hand out money, they need to generate money first. Where are they getting all this money from if only a small portion of the population is working and generating tax revenue?
Also I'm curious, what exactly are you contributing to the system if you're not working and just collecting a check? How can the system sustain itself if everyone is drawing from it without giving anything back?
Lol like how is that a fair trade? So the government (taxpayers) ensure that you collect free money, and in return they get... what? What are you providing? You should be entitled to free money because you live and breathe?
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Re: America is going to need factories and it's going to need jobs
[QUOTE=Baller234;15021270]How does that work? In order for the government to be able to hand out money, they need to generate money first. Where are they getting all this money from if only a small portion of the population is working and generating tax revenue?
Also I'm curious, what exactly are you contributing to the system if you're not working and just collecting a check? How can the system sustain itself if everyone is drawing from it without giving anything back?
Lol like how is that a fair trade? So the government (taxpayers) ensure that you collect free money, and in return they get... what? What are you providing? You should be entitled to free money because you live and breathe?[/QUOTE]
We are at the doorstep of an era where humans no longer need to "contribute". The end game will have AI do all of our thinking and robots doing all of our hard labor. While humans essentially do nothing but tweak the AI to our liking. This is a process that will take decades, and you will likely not live to see the outcome but just the transition. Unless AI extends your life that long, because it will figure out how to cure cancer, edit DNA, etc.
This is what humanity has been working toward. Better standard of living, making everything in life easier for us. You can do with your life what you choose, and not slave to put food on the table. That is actual freedom.
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Re: America is going to need factories and it's going to need jobs
[QUOTE=Bill Gates;15021272]We are at the doorstep of an era where humans no longer need to "contribute". The end game will have AI do all of our thinking and robots doing all of our hard labor. While humans essentially do nothing but tweak the AI to our liking. This is a process that will take decades, and you will likely not live to see the outcome but just the transition. Unless AI extends your life that long, because it will figure out how to cure cancer, edit DNA, etc.
This is what humanity has been working toward. Better standard of living, making everything in life easier for us. You can do with your life what you choose, and not slave to put food on the table. That is actual freedom.[/QUOTE]
You are imagining a Star Trek world with no money and replicators for any food you wish - although ironically, Star Trek didn't have robots doing the work.
I can see governments taxing robots, autonomous devices/cars, etc. But how much can one tax companies so that it is still worthwhile for them to continue to operate and advance technology. Unless, you expect the AI to be BENEVOLENT and take care of us instead of viewing us as USELESS beings (which we will be as we're not contributing anything productive).
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Re: America is going to need factories and it's going to need jobs
As an aside, kudos to Star Wars which had money AND robots (R2-D2 and CP3O).
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[QUOTE=Bill Gates;15021272]We are at the doorstep of an era where humans no longer need to "contribute". The end game will have AI do all of our thinking and robots doing all of our hard labor. While humans essentially do nothing but tweak the AI to our liking. This is a process that will take decades, and you will likely not live to see the outcome but just the transition. Unless AI extends your life that long, because it will figure out how to cure cancer, edit DNA, etc.
This is what humanity has been working toward. Better standard of living, making everything in life easier for us. You can do with your life what you choose, and not slave to put food on the table. That is actual freedom.[/QUOTE]
This is moot because you're still going to need food and shelter. The "bare necessities" as you put it. Those things cost money to provide and maintain.
If nobody is working and there is no tax revenue, where is this money coming from?
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Re: America is going to need factories and it's going to need jobs
[QUOTE=rmt;15021275]You are imagining a Star Trek world with no money and replicators for any food you wish - although ironically, Star Trek didn't have robots doing the work.
I can see governments taxing robots, autonomous devices/cars, etc. But how much can one tax companies so that it is still worthwhile for them to continue to operate and advance technology. Unless, you expect the AI to be BENEVOLENT and take care of us instead of viewing us as USELESS beings (which we will be as we're not contributing anything productive).[/QUOTE]
From a monetary standpoint, things are going to get weird eventually. UBI will only hold up so long. When we get to a point where farmers are no longer needed and our food source is completely automated, it will eventually just be free. Everything will be. Solar powered, self upkeep. No humans required. Money will no longer be needed.
It will be like Star Trek sans the space travel, and the "beam me up" part lol
This is a ways off. UBI will hold for a while, like 50 years or so. Basically for us. Actually it's really difficult to gauge the timeline on this because once that final gap of AI gets crossed, where it is going beyond what it finds on the internet and is able to extend it's patterns into something greater than what humans can do? Once that line is crossed, it might just fly. It could immediately know what needs to be done.
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Re: America is going to need factories and it's going to need jobs
[QUOTE=Baller234;15021280]This is moot because you're still going to need food and shelter. The "bare necessities" as you put it. Those things cost money to provide and maintain.
If nobody is working and there is no tax revenue, where is this money coming from?[/QUOTE]
It will come from "modern monetary theory". Look into it. As AI starts to slowly remove jobs, which is already happening, it will get to where our unemployment gets too high and we realize there is just not enough work for everyone to do something and things are only going to get worse. That is when UBI will be implemented. It will come from the Gov "printing it up" which is an archaic way of saying it because now money is more or less just numbers inside a computer system.
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Re: America is going to need factories and it's going to need jobs
[QUOTE=Bill Gates;15021282]It will come from "modern monetary theory". Look into it. As AI starts to slowly remove jobs, which is already happening, it will get to where our unemployment gets too high and we realize there is just not enough work for everyone to do something and things are only going to get worse. That is when UBI will be implemented. It will come from the Gov "printing it up" which is an archaic way of saying it because now money is more or less just numbers inside a computer system.[/QUOTE]
Right, so the government:
- Creates the money
- Generates the money
- Decides what every person is worth
Congrats, you're a slave.
You have an awful lot of faith and trust in government, and you seem awfully willing to put your entire well being and quality of life into their hands.
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Re: America is going to need factories and it's going to need jobs
[QUOTE=Baller234;15021283]Right, so the government:
[B]- Creates the money
- Generates the money
- Decides what every person is worth[/B]
Congrats, you're a slave.
You have an awful lot of faith and trust in government, and you seem awfully willing to put your entire well being and quality of life into their hands.[/QUOTE]
Generates and creates are the same thing, and no the Gov will not decide your worth. You are still free to get rich on your own. UBI just insures that everyone can feed and house themselves without working. Because work is going to become more and more scarce, thanks to technology.
Slave is what you are now. Where you have to - well slave - to live.
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Re: America is going to need factories and it's going to need jobs
[QUOTE=Bill Gates;15021285]Generates and creates are the same thing, and no the Gov will not decide your worth. You are still free to get rich on your own. UBI just insures that everyone can feed and house themselves without working. Because work is going to become more and more scarce, thanks to technology.
Slave is what you are now. Where you have to - well slave - to live.[/QUOTE]
Sorry but I don't equate work with slavery. I'm sorry that you do. Maybe you're entitled and spoiled and you should have been raised better.
Every time a child is born, that is another mouth to feed. Are you going to put a cap on how many children people are allowed to have? What about immigration? How many new immigrants would you let in each year? Again every single person that enters the country is another mouth to feed. The population is only going to get bigger. So you'll have less people working and generating tax revenue, yet every day there are going to be more mouths to feed. Your system is impossible and hinges on there being infinite food and infinite renewable resources. A system where everyone takes but no one gives back.
A system like that can never sustain.
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It will sustain. The "slave" debate is just semantics. Everyone working today is still very much reliant on the Gov and the US Dollar though. Removing work doesn't make us entrust in the Gov anymore than we do today.
Most people are slaving away with the illusion of the "American Dream" and it is a great motivator and it isn't going away any time soon even with UBI. So many have the mindset of "it will all come together one day" while slaving away at their job.
UBI is basically every citizen gets a welfare check each month. But are still free to run their own businesses, create wealth for themselves etc. American Dream is STILL there. BUT it is going to be very apparent that AI will coming for whatever it is they are doing. No one is safe from it. No profession is. No job is. It is just that some will be able to hold on much longer than others. Mostly the blue collar stuff.
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A big leap is coming soon when Amazon is able to layoff all of it's drivers for self-driving. That is tens of thousands of employed people that are already low income and will immediately need assistance.
That is probably right around the corner.
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[QUOTE=Bill Gates;15021289]It will sustain. The "slave" debate is just semantics. Everyone working today is still very much reliant on the Gov and the US Dollar though. Removing work doesn't make us entrust in the Gov anymore than we do today.
Most people are slaving away with the illusion of the "American Dream" and it is a great motivator and it isn't going away any time soon even with UBI. So many have the mindset of "it will all come together one day" while slaving away at their job.
UBI is basically every citizen gets a welfare check each month. But are still free to run their own businesses, create wealth for themselves etc. American Dream is STILL there. BUT it is going to be very apparent that AI will coming for whatever it is they are doing. No one is safe from it. No profession is. No job is. It is just that some will be able to hold on much longer than others. Mostly the blue collar stuff.[/QUOTE]
You still haven't answered ANY of my questions.
1. WHERE and HOW is the government going to generate this money if only a small portion of the populace is working and contributing?
2. What is your policy towards starting a family? Are people free to have as many children as they want?
3. What is your immigration policy? How many immigrants are you willing to take in?
If you're going to propose a system where food, shelter and money are provided to every citizen... then you need to be able to answer these questions and come provide with practical solutions.
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[QUOTE=Baller234;15021291]You still haven't answered ANY of my questions.
1. WHERE and HOW is the government going to generate this money if only a small portion of the populace is working and contributing?
2. What is your policy towards starting a family? Are people free to have as many children as they want?
3. What is your immigration policy? How many immigrants are you willing to take in?
If you're going to propose a system where food, shelter and money are provided to every citizen... then you need to be able to answer these questions and come provide with practical solutions.[/QUOTE]
I answered #1 already, MMT. I can tell you don't have a decent grasp of how fiat works. You should look into that. How do you think the US was able to "generate" a bazillion dollars for covid and ukraine?
2. Of course people are free to have as many children as they want. In fact I am going to assume that will be encouraged. We are already seeing advanced countries struggle in this area while the poor 3rd world countries do not.
3. Immigration is a whole different topic. I don't know how that will be handled down the road. I mean, if we are struggling to have babies then I suspect we will be more welcoming.
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[QUOTE=Bill Gates;15021295]I answered #1 already, MMT. I can tell you don't have a decent grasp of how fiat works. You should look into that. How do you think the US was able to "generate" a bazillion dollars for covid and ukraine?
2. Of course people are free to have as many children as they want. In fact I am going to assume that will be encouraged. We are already seeing advanced countries struggle in this area while the poor 3rd world countries do not.
3. Immigration is a whole different topic. I don't know how that will be handled down the road. I mean, if we are struggling to have babies then I suspect we will be more welcoming.[/QUOTE]
1. And look what happened as a result of them printing more money, your money lost it's value and you became more poor as a result. The more currency you inject into the system, the less the currency is worth. How do you not understand this?
2. Resources are not infinite. There's only so much to go around. If people are free to have as many children as they want, that means you have to keep generating new currency out of thin air to accommodate them. You also need to provide more food. Every time a new person is born that is one more mouth to feed and less to go around for everyone else.
3. Lmao why tf would you be "welcoming" more immigrants to come. Every new immigrant that enters the country and becomes a citizen is another drain on the system. They're going to need money and food now too. That means less for you and me.
A system where everyone takes but no one contributes can never work. The only way it works is if you have infinite resources to go around but that is pure fantasy. Also, a functioning society is still going to need workers. You're still going to need industry. Who's going to stock the shelves at your local grocery store? Who's going to deliver your packages? Who's going to manufacture your car? Who's going to build your house?
I already know what you're going to say. "Some people will WANT to work because it will give them a better lifestyle", but now they have the increased tax burden of having to feed everyone in the entire country. With so few people working and so many people taking from the system, you would have to tax workers at an insanely high rate in order to make up the tax revenue.
I really don't think you thought this through.
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Re: America is going to need factories and it's going to need jobs
did someone say ai? :lol
[video=youtube;6chw3IgNKTY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6chw3IgNKTY[/video]
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Re: America is going to need factories and it's going to need jobs
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A system where everyone takes but no one contributes can never work. The only way it works is if you have infinite resources to go around but that is pure fantasy. Also, a functioning society is still going to need workers. You're still going to need industry. [B]Who's going to stock the shelves at your local grocery store? Who's going to deliver your packages? Who's going to manufacture your car? Who's going to build your house?[/B]
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ROBOTS WILL
The contributions will be coming, at an accelerated rate even. Just not from humans.
I'm getting the feeling that you just are not grasping anything here lol. AI and robots are going to replace workers.
We are on the verge of seeing every Amazon driver lose their just to self driving cars now.
All of our jobs will be lost, starting with the white collar, and then eventually the blue collar.
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Re: America is going to need factories and it's going to need jobs
Tesla and many others are developing bots as I type this
[url]https://www.tesla.com/en_eu/AI[/url]
That is what will be doing your dishes and laundry in the future. That is what will be flipping the burgers you eat. That is what will be performing the surgery you need.
It's coming. No job is safe. Not a single one.
The AI will have an IQ that is 1000x that of any human. The robots will have more speed, more precision, they will not tire down or need a break, they won't need to be fed. The energy for it is infinite. The sun, wind, etc.
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Re: America is going to need factories and it's going to need jobs
[video=youtube;MapsWdyanGk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MapsWdyanGk[/video]
worth watching