Prime example of why the military better listen to Mark Kelly

[URL="https://www.politico.com/news/2025/12/01/white-house-second-boat-strike-00671488"]The White House is blaming an admiral, Frank Bradley, saying he is responsible for supervising the killing of survivors of a recent Venezualan boat strike[/URL]...or at least they tried to.

This administration absolutely was going to throw this guy under the bus after ordering him to supervise a war crime.

Back on October 16th, [URL="https://www.cnn.com/2025/10/16/politics/southern-command-caribbean-strikes-holsey"]Admiral Alvin Holsey resigned[/URL] after just one year of command in the Caribbean. Seemed a little strange at the time but we were even then seeing signs that the administration was trying to compromise the military. But with what they are trying/tried to pin on Bradley it looks like Holsey was just being wise.

Someone please explain to me how this is supporting our troops.

[URL="https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/02/us/politics/hegseth-boat-strikes.html"]Hegseth now says he didn't see any survivors. [/URL]

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Dems alleged outrage just further proof that ________ comes first, while the importance of a safe America comes last.

[QUOTE]CRIME IS FINE
Vote Democrat[/QUOTE]

You say that in a post where you condone a war crime. Well, a (very) possible war crime. But because laws will be followed in this investigation there will be evidence presented and if anyone is charged they will have the opportunity to defend themselves in a court of law. Unlike the victims of this strike, who were never tried or convicted of anything. In fact, you don't even know their names, you just think they must be guilty because your god ordered their deaths.

[QUOTE=Hey Yo;15045593]Dems alleged outrage just further proof that ________ comes first, while the importance of a safe America comes last.[/QUOTE]

you have no respect for judicial processes. you are readily willing to overlook the crimes of trump, who's pardoned actually bad people. stop talking about what is right. you may be a supporter of the alt right, but you certainly don't know what and who is right.

OP wants drug runners to reach U.S. shores safely. Truly despicable.

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;15045604]OP wants drug runners to reach U.S. shores safely. Truly despicable.[/QUOTE]

Your hero pardoned a man that was supposed to serve 45 years in prison for smuggling 400 tons of coke. Neither I nor Trump gives a damn about the war on drugs but only Trump is using it as an excuse to kill people.

What I find strange though is that you act like the guy that just pardoned one of the biggest drug lords on the planet is somehow concerned with fighting this particular crime. This has been well-reported, has even been discussed in this forum. How would you not have known this? You're either an idiot or a liar. And possibly both.

Somebody's gotta be the scapegoat so they won't shit can Hegseth.

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;15045604]OP wants drug runners to reach U.S. shores safely. Truly despicable.[/QUOTE]

MAGA have proven a number of times how incompetent they are. Imagine for a second that they misidentified the vessel or that the intelligence was wrong. But even if they were drug runners, there's something called due process and respect of the law. Murdering people with a snap of a finger is a criminal act and prevalent in dictatorships.

But then again you don't care about right or wrong, you don't care about anything but sucking Trump off because he's hating on the same people you do.

[QUOTE=86Celtics;15045640]MAGA have proven a number of times how incompetent they are. Imagine for a second that they misidentified the vessel or that the intelligence was wrong. But even if they were drug runners, there's something called due process and respect of the law. Murdering people with a snap of a finger is a criminal act and prevalent in dictatorships.

But then again you don't care about right or wrong, you don't care about anything but sucking Trump off because he's hating on the same people you do.[/QUOTE]

Due process? These are enemies of the State bringing poison to our shores that will undoubtedly kill thousands of Americans. What is wrong with you people? You're seriously sick and twisted with hatred for Trump that you don't know right from wrong anymore.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;15045594]You say that in a post where you condone a war crime. Well, a (very) possible war crime. But because laws will be followed in this investigation there will be evidence presented and if anyone is charged they will have the opportunity to defend themselves in a court of law. Unlike the victims of this strike, who were never tried or convicted of anything. In fact, you don't even know their names, you just think they must be guilty because your god ordered their deaths.[/QUOTE]

You're really fukkin dumb if you belive the US just randomly bombs boats cause "they think" what it is and not that they absolutely sure if they're drug boats.

The only one that wasn't sure of anything was your boy Biden. Cause after all.... he did say the US finally beat Medicare :lol

[QUOTE=Hey Yo;15045669]You're really fukkin dumb if you belive the US just randomly bombs boats cause "they think" what it is and not that they absolutely sure if they're drug boats.

The only one that wasn't sure of anything was your boy Biden. Cause after all.... he did say the US finally beat Medicare :lol[/QUOTE]

You're really ****ing dumb if you accept people being killed with no trial or evidence being presented. And it's not even in our country. You are completely incapable of holding the Trump administration accountable. You will never address the Hernandez pardon. You are an idiot shill. Feel free to stop posting.

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;15045668]Due process? These are enemies of the State bringing poison to our shores that will undoubtedly kill thousands of Americans. What is wrong with you people? You're seriously sick and twisted with hatred for Trump that you don't know right from wrong anymore.[/QUOTE]

So if drug dealers are so evil why did Trump pardon Hernandez? And why can't these alleged "narco-terrorists" be arrested and tried in a court of law? When did America decide to abandon due process?

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;15045670][B]You're really ****ing dumb if you accept people being killed with no trial or evidence being presented.[/B] And it's not even in our country. You are completely incapable of holding the Trump administration accountable. You will never address the Hernandez pardon. You are an idiot shill. Feel free to stop posting.[/QUOTE]

What president hasn't killed foreigners without trial? You've accepted it and ignored it all your life. Why complain now?

Every single president you know at some point or another authorized military action that resulted in killing people without trial, including civilians. ALL of them, both republican and democrat. But now you decide to grow a conscience because some random ship was blown up?

In reality you have no clue why these ships are being targeted. Regardless, we both know that if any other president authorized it... you would never make an issue out of it.

So you got one thing right: I don't know why Trump is having these people killed. I see you are not going to try and justify these extra-jidicial killings either. So basically, you can't defend him. Moving on.

[QUOTE=Hey Yo;15045669]You're really fukkin dumb if you belive the US just randomly bombs boats cause "they think" what it is and not that they absolutely sure if they're drug boats.
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The US has managed to bomb its own troops in every single war it has engaged in. But it's ok because this time the military or whoever is in charge is "absolutely sure" that these are drug boats. Which even if it's the case, it's not a carte blanche to execute whoever is on board.

This is what's supposed to differentiate the common criminal from a law-abiding society. In this case though, there is no difference as both the cartels and the US government are led by criminals.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;15045682]So you got one thing right: I don't know why Trump is having these people killed. I see you are not going to try and justify these extra-jidicial killings either. So basically, you can't defend him. Moving on.[/QUOTE]

"You got one thing right"

Translation: You got everything right.

"Moving on"

Translation: I don't want to have to confront my own hypocrisy on the matter.

:oldlol:

It takes a special kind of stupid to incorrectly translate from English to English.

[URL="https://www.cnn.com/2025/12/02/politics/rand-paul-hegseth-boat-strike"]Rand Paul[/URL]:

[QUOTE]“Secretary Hegseth said he had no knowledge of this, and it did not happen. It was fake news. It didn’t happen. And then the next day, from the podium at the White House are saying it did happen,” Paul told reporters in the US Capitol. “So, either he was lying to us … or he’s incompetent and didn’t know it had happened.”

“Do we think there’s any chance that … the secretary of the defense did not know there had been a second strike? So as a country, we’re just going to let people lie to us, to our face?” he added.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;15045710]It takes a special kind of stupid to incorrectly translate from English to English.[/QUOTE]

I'm just proving to you how full of shit you are. You went your entire life not caring about this sort of thing.

Why do you care so much now?

[QUOTE=Baller234;15045718]I'm just proving to you how full of shit you are. You went your entire life not caring about this sort of thing.

Why do you care so much now?[/QUOTE]

No you're talking about me ignorantly because you can't defend what the Trump administration is doing, how they can kill alleged "narco-terrorists" worth no trial on a foreign country but then pardon one of the biggest drug lords of all time before he learns the name of his cell mate. You aren't addressing these points at all. You never do. We point out war crimes, murders, and flagrant hypocrisy and all you can do is reply based on an assumption that you have no way of knowing anything about and completely avoid the actual topic of discussion. You don't have a point.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;15045721]No you're talking about me ignorantly because you can't defend what the Trump administration is doing, how they can kill alleged "narco-terrorists" worth no trial on a foreign country but then pardon one of the biggest drug lords of all time before he learns the name of his cell mate. You aren't addressing these points at all. You never do. We point out war crimes, murders, and flagrant hypocrisy and all you can do is reply based on an assumption that you have no way of knowing anything about and completely avoid the actual topic of discussion. You don't have a point.[/QUOTE]

There's nothing to defend. I expect as much from the U.S. military. They've been lying to us our whole lives. They've killed people our whole lives. American imperialism isn't some fresh concept that Trump invented. :oldlol:

You were perfectly fine with your fellow american citizens getting 20 year jail sentences for walking peacefully through the velvet ropes in the capitol after being led into the building by a police escort. You cheered that on and called them evil traitors.

But the U.S. military strikes some random foreign ship, which it's been doing since forever, and you all of sudden feel like crying about it.

Nobody is buying your bullshit. Go cry to your mommy about it because she's the only one that might actually believe it.

Off His Meds thinks that by saying "TRUMP IS LYING!"... that republicans are going to react like:

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:oldlol:

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;15045676]So if drug dealers are so evil why did Trump pardon Hernandez? And why can't these alleged "narco-terrorists" be arrested and tried in a court of law? When did America decide to abandon due process?[/QUOTE]

You act as if you care about due process but [B][SIZE=5]NEVER CREATED ONE THREAD[/SIZE][/B] bitching about Obama dropping bomb after bomb from drones in Pakistan.

You see what I did there? I turned the argument around on you because all of you are just partisan hacks who don't really care about due process. You're just arguing because you want Trump to look bad. The difference with the Right is, we had no problem dropping bombs on bad guys in Pakistan regardless of who was President, just as we don't have a problem now. Give me a break...due process? You want to waste taxpayer money on arresting bad guys all over the world and putting them in prison?? Where's your fiscal responsibility? Don't be such a bitch ass nerd. :oldlol:


Quit posting on your alt too. You're alone in this discussion. It's just you and the rest of us.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15045726]There's nothing to defend. I expect as much from the U.S. military. They've been lying to us our whole lives. They've killed people our whole lives. American imperialism isn't some fresh concept that Trump invented. :oldlol:

You were perfectly fine with your fellow american citizens getting 20 year jail sentences for walking peacefully through the velvet ropes in the capitol after being led into the building by a police escort. You cheered that on and called them evil traitors.

But the U.S. military strikes some random foreign ship, which it's been doing since forever, and you all of sudden feel like crying about it.

Nobody is buying your bullshit. Go cry to your mommy about it because she's the only one that might actually believe it.[/QUOTE]

The January 6th rioters that were sentenced actually got a trial. Here you are again ignoring "Due Process." Look it up. Not to mention, the convicted lunatics are still alive because the president didn't order them killed without a trial and they're all free now because the lead rioter gave them a pardon. You comparing that to this is insane.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;15045676]So if drug dealers are so evil why did Trump pardon Hernandez? And why can't these alleged "narco-terrorists" be arrested and tried in a court of law? When did America decide to abandon due process?[/QUOTE]

"[QUOTE]During a White House press briefing, Leavitt justified the administration’s lifeline to Hernández, arguing the two-term president’s charges had been mired by a corrupt “over-prosecution” under former President Joe Biden’s administration.[/QUOTE]

“[QUOTE]He was opposed to the values of the previous administration and they charged him because he was president of Honduras,” Leavitt said[/QUOTE]

Anything else, chico?

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;15045728]You act as if you care about due process but [B][SIZE=5]NEVER CREATED ONE THREAD[/SIZE][/B] bitching about Obama dropping bomb after bomb from drones in Pakistan.

You see what I did there? I turned the argument around on you because all of you are just partisan hacks who don't really care about due process. You're just arguing because you want Trump to look bad. The difference with the Right is, we had no problem dropping bombs on bad guys in Pakistan regardless of who was President, just as we don't have a problem now. Give me a break...due process? You want to waste taxpayer money on arresting bad guys all over the world and putting them in prison?? Where's your fiscal responsibility? Don't be such a bitch ass nerd. :oldlol:


Quit posting on your alt too. You're alone in this discussion. It's just you and the rest of us.[/QUOTE]

Obama's some strikes are questionable but the targets were al Qaeda, who organized the September 11th attacks on America. The random victims in Venezuala never organized an attack on America.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;15045729][B]The January 6th rioters that were sentenced actually got a trial.[/B] Here you are again ignoring "Due Process." Look it up. Not to mention, the convicted lunatics are still alive because the president didn't order them killed without a trial and they're all free now because the lead roost have them a pardon. You compare that to this is insane.[/QUOTE]

Was it a fair trial or a sham trial? Was there any mention of the feds in the crowd that antagonized protestors and helped them enter the building? Or the police escort that opened the doors from the inside and encouraged them to enter?

A man who was just walking peacefully like a tourist that day committed suicide because he was facing a 10-20 year jail sentence. Did you shed tears for him? Can you point me to a thread?

[QUOTE=Hey Yo;15045730]"

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Anything else, chico?[/QUOTE]

So you back up bullshit with bullshit? Do you know who prosecuted Hernandez? Emil Bove.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;15045729]The January 6th rioters that were sentenced actually got a trial. Here you are again ignoring "Due Process." Look it up. Not to mention, the convicted lunatics are still alive because the president didn't order them killed without a trial and they're all free now because the lead rioter gave them a pardon. You comparing that to this is insane.[/QUOTE]

They got a trial cause they're Anerican citizens. The dudes on the drug boat were not.


You're such a stupid ass.... :roll:

[QUOTE=Baller234;15045733]Was it a fair trial or a sham trial? Was there any mention of the feds in the crowd that antagonized protestors and helped them enter the building? Or the police escort that opened the doors from the inside and encouraged them to enter?

A man who was just walking peacefully like a tourist that day committed suicide because he was facing a 10-20 year jail sentence. Did you shed tears for him? Can you point me to a thread?[/QUOTE]

I cried about as much for him as I would for you.

[QUOTE=Hey Yo;15045735]They got a trial cause they're Anerican citizens. The dudes on the drug boat were not.


You're such a stupid ass.... :roll:[/QUOTE]

So if people aren't citizens of our country they have no rights. Don't worry, I didn't forget that bigotry is the core of your philosophy.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;15045731]Obama's some strikes are questionable but the targets were al Qaeda, who organized the September 11th attacks on America. The random victims in Venezuala never organized an attack on America.[/QUOTE]

Bringing drugs to America is an attack on America. Thank you for just proving to us what we all already knew that you're just a dishonest clown who just bathes in hypocrisy just to protect your side. This is the epitome of Trump Derangement Syndrome.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;15045737]So if people aren't citizens of our country they have no rights. Don't worry, I didn't forget that bigotry is the core of your philosophy.[/QUOTE]

Those guys weren't in my country dumbass... try again

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;15045739]Bringing drugs to America is an attack on America. Thank you for just proving to us what we all already knew that you're just a dishonest clown who just bathes in hypocrisy just to protect your side. This is the epitome of Trump Derangement Syndrome.[/QUOTE]

So if bringing drugs is an attack on America why pardon someone that imported 400 tons of coke?

[QUOTE=Hey Yo;15045742]Those guys weren't in my country dumbass... try again[/QUOTE]
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"So if people aren't citizens of our country they have no rights. Don't worry, I didn't forget that bigotry is the core of your philosophy."

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;15045743]So if bringing drugs is an attack on America why pardon someone that imported 400 tons of coke?[/QUOTE]

[url]https://apnews.com/article/trump-hernandez-honduras-pardon-96ac8d1d44d438f64beb8b24ca54b651[/url]

:oldlol:

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;15045743]So if bringing drugs is an attack on America why pardon someone that imported 400 tons of coke?[/QUOTE]


One thing has nothing to do with the other. For one, the crime was already committed. Again, by you being hyper-focused on Trump's pardoning just shows the rest of us what I said earlier. That you absolutely do not give a shit about due process. You're just in it to get at Trump.

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;15045764]One thing has nothing to do with the other. For one, the crime was already committed. Again, by you being hyper-focused on Trump's pardoning just shows the rest of us what I said earlier. That you absolutely do not give a shit about due process. You're just in it to get at Trump.[/QUOTE]

jeeze dude, even i thought you would see how contradicting and wrong the pardon is given he's doing illegal drone strikes on suspected, not convicted drug traffickers. but i guess your MAGA fandom is a disease.

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;15045764]One thing has nothing to do with the other. For one, the crime was already committed. Again, by you being hyper-focused on Trump's pardoning just shows the rest of us what I said earlier. That you absolutely do not give a shit about due process. You're just in it to get at Trump.[/QUOTE]

An attempt to explain for really dumb people: if we assume that importing drugs is an attack on America, someone that imported 400 tons of coke would have 400 tons of attack on America. So how do you jibe killing alleged but unproven drug traffickers with pardoning a convicted major drug trafficker?