Curry winning a chip before KD is a terrible narrative

We all know Curry only won in 2015 because Love and Kyrie were hurt.

KD in 2012, 3 years before Curry sniffed the finals, faced the 2012 Heat FULLY healthy.

If KD had Curry's luck, where Bosh and Wade were injured in the finals, then KD would have won in 2012 just like Curry.

The people saying Curry won a chip before KD got there are not thinking at all. We all saw Curry simply couldn't match Lebron in 2015/2016 and he/Draymond legit cried for KD to come join them...and then KD went on to win 2 FMVPs in a row on Curry's head.

almost no one takes curry over the GOATs for this reason, he was a major beneficiary of injury riddle competition. the 2016 Cavs comeback pretty much destroyed all of his accomplishments.

Curry won a ring before and after KD.

How many playoff series has KD won since leaving Curry and picking his teammates? Maybe 2?

:sleeping

Losing in the finals with a 73-win team is embarrassing.

[QUOTE=tontoz;15046524]Curry won a ring before and after KD.

How many playoff series has KD won since leaving Curry and picking his teammates? Maybe 2?

:sleeping[/QUOTE]

I already showed you the "Curry won a ring before KD" thing is dumb narrative. KD could've easily won in those cirumstances.

Even if Curry won after KD left, KD still got 2 FMVPs in a row and legit would've had a 3rd in a row if he didn't get injured in the 2019 playoffs.

Curry still only has 1 FMVP.

[QUOTE=Axe;15046525]Losing in the finals with a 73-win team is embarrassing.[/QUOTE]

What's REALLY embarrassing is being a stinky idiot.

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[QUOTE=StrongLurk;15046534]I already showed you the "Curry won a ring before KD" thing is dumb narrative. KD could've easily won in those cirumstances.

Even if Curry won after KD left, KD still got 2 FMVPs in a row and legit would've had a 3rd in a row if he didn't get injured in the 2019 playoffs.

Curry still only has 1 FMVP.[/QUOTE]

Swap out Jordan with Lebron for all their teams and Jordan wins at least 12 rings. Lebron wins zero - maybe 1.

But the fact is, Curry's won without KD. KD hasn't won without Curry.

KD Stans are the lowest of low iq

[QUOTE=warriorfan;15046578]KD Stans are the lowest of low iq[/QUOTE]

does crack increase or decrease your IQ? can you input it into the IQ checker website you use?

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Curry is the greatest offensive player ever with the largest gravity ever. Kevin Durant is a better defender but his defense doesn't come close to making up for that fact.

People who assign awards are boxscore watching retards, which in itself is fine, but at least admit it.

Nobody could actually watch those guys during the mid and late 2010s and believe Durant was better than Curry.

Circumstances are part of the game whether we like it or not. Curry had a favorable run in 2015, while KD had a more difficult run.

Still doesn't change the fact that Curry won before KD.

KD had an opportunity to change any narrative around him if he managed to win one more game in 2016 when up 3-1. Then after that, he ran to Curry with his tail between his legs.

The Warriors won 67 games and yes, their playoff run was extremely easy, even before the Finals, but they still did win the championship. Then they broke the all time win record and came within 1-2 plays of winning another championship, while knocking out KD to boot. Let's also not forget they won 6 playoff games in a row when KD went down in 2019.

Then after KD dipped the Warriors won yet another championship, and Curry sonned the Celtics who forced KD into the worst series of his career. Meanwhile, despite handpicking his teams and playing with various stars, KD hasn't made it past the 2nd round in 6 years since leaving the Warriors.

Clinging to injuries from one series doesn't change all the overwhelming evidence listed above. You take away the Warrior years, and KD's resume, for an ATG/top 20 player, honestly leaves a little to be desired.

Someone post the pic

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;15046590]The Warriors won 67 games and yes, their playoff run was extremely easy, even before the Finals, but they still did win the championship. Then they broke the all time win record and came within 1-2 plays of winning another championship, while knocking out KD to boot. Let's also not forget they won 6 playoff games in a row when KD went down in 2019.

Then after KD dipped the Warriors won yet another championship, and Curry sonned the Celtics who forced KD into the worst series of his career. Meanwhile, despite handpicking his teams and playing with various stars, KD hasn't made it past the 2nd round in 6 years since leaving the Warriors.

Clinging to injuries from one series doesn't change all the overwhelming evidence listed above. You take away the Warrior years, and KD's resume, for an ATG/top 20 player, honestly leaves a little to be desired.[/QUOTE]

This gets left out of the conversation. It was KD and co that lost to GSW, giving up a 3-1 lead. Then, KD leaves, forms another superteam, and still doesn't see the success that Steph saw.

On paper it doesn't show it, but Steph's performance against Boston in 2022 was iconic given how great that team was defensively, especially the run up they had in the last 41-42 games of the season. IIRC, they were something like 32-10 in those games and their net rating was ridiculous given how great they were playing defensively.

Steph comes along and posts a quiet 31/6/5/2 on 63% TS% and it doesn't really stand out, but how many people had that kind of success against an elite defender like Marcus Smart?

[QUOTE=warriorfan;15046599]Someone post the pic[/QUOTE]


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That right there is exactly why anyone that thinks KD was more valuable to those teams, a better player, or any other word-gymnastics they want to pull out of their ass, is a retard

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You'd have a leg to stand on ever so slightly if 2022 never happened, but it did.

I dont think even Jokic or Lebron would win with Andrew Wiggins at 2nd option. KD certainly wouldn't have.

If only he has some rings without klay thompson, people would respect him more as a player. :ohwell:

[QUOTE=Foolish Retard;15046576]I'm autistic, gay, horny, retarded and bleeds hard everyday.[/QUOTE]
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I love how everyone is IMMEDIATELY PIVOTING to 2022...as if that has anything to do with my thread.

My thread is about the narrative that Curry won before Durant being a crap narrative that doesn't apply any context.

I guess deep down everyone agrees with me since everyone is like YEAH BUT WHAT ABOUT 2022???

[QUOTE=StrongLurk;15046659]I love how everyone is IMMEDIATELY PIVOTING to 2022...as if that has anything to do with my thread.

My thread is about the narrative that Curry won before Durant being a crap narrative that doesn't apply any context.

I guess deep down everyone agrees with me since everyone is like YEAH BUT WHAT ABOUT 2022???[/QUOTE]


Curry beat KD in the playoffs prior to KD joining them. Did you forget about that?

Curry won before AND after Durant so it's very likely he would have won at least another ring if Durant never joined them when their big 3 was in their primes.

[QUOTE=tontoz;15046663]Curry beat KD in the playoffs prior to KD joining them. Did you forget about that?

Curry won before AND after Durant so it's very likely he would have won at least another ring if Durant never joined them when their big 3 was in their primes.[/QUOTE]

Again, what happened in 2016 or any time after is NOT RELEVANT.

I'm simply saying that this narrative of Curry winning before Durant is a little dumb considering Durant would've won in 2012 if Bosh/Wade didn't play...

Do you really think OKC loses if Bosh/Wade don't play?

Now you guys know why I got OP on my ignore list :lol

[QUOTE=warriorfan;15046666]Now you guys know why I got OP on my ignore list :lol[/QUOTE]

The problem with this is the majority of the board is retarded and you might as well not visit if you start putting people on ignore for being retarded, which OP clearly is.

He is right the Warriors only won in 2015 due to injuries. But they also only lost 2016 due to LeBron baiting Draymond. So eh.

[QUOTE=warriorfan;15046666]Now you guys know why I got OP on my ignore list :lol[/QUOTE]

Does KD win in 2012 if Wade/Bosh don't play due to injury? Simple yes or no question.

[QUOTE=Yes or No;15046667]The problem with this is the majority of the board is retarded and you might as well not visit if you start putting people on ignore for being retarded, which OP clearly is.

He is right the Warriors only won in 2015 due to injuries. But they also only lost 2016 due to LeBron baiting Draymond. So eh.[/QUOTE]

Lebron was scoring 25 ppg on poor percentages in games 1-4 of the Finals. He only started dropping bombs once JR Smith took out Andrew Bogut in game 5. Andre Iguodala’s back was messed up too and he could barely get up and down the court. 2016 was Curry’s peak. He was unreal that year. He tore his MCL in the playoffs and was gimped. 2015 Cavs got a bad break and 2016 Warriors got a bad break.

[QUOTE=StrongLurk;15046668]Does KD win in 2012 if Wade/Bosh don't play due to injury? Simple yes or no question.[/QUOTE]

No.

GayD would find a way to f.uck it up and then go cry to his momma lol

OP's also acting like it's 100% guaranteed the Cavs win if they're fully healthy in 2015, when while I'd assume most would say it's likely, it's not a certainty. The facts are they literally lost the only game Kyrie played in that series, then the Cavs had to squeak out a 7 game series the following year with Curry having the worst series of his career. I will agree the Cavs likely win if healthy in 2015, but it's not the guarantee OP is making it out to be.

The greatest irony of all this is, even if KD never joins the Warriors, and neither won a title in the 2010's, Curry would've STILL won a title before KD by winning in 2022 anyway :lol

[QUOTE=StrongLurk;15046665]Again, what happened in 2016 or any time after is NOT RELEVANT.

I'm simply saying that this narrative of Curry winning before Durant is a little dumb considering Durant would've won in 2012 if Bosh/Wade didn't play...

Do you really think OKC loses if Bosh/Wade don't play?[/QUOTE]


The problem is that the narrative in your OP doesn't actually exist. The actual narrative that exists is that Curry won before and after KD. You are just trying to revise history to make apologies for KD.

KD had the chance to beat Curry in the playoffs but he didn't. He could have stayed in OKC to try again but he decided to take the easy road and join Curry.

[QUOTE=tontoz;15046673][B]The problem is that the narrative in your OP doesn't actually exist. The actual narrative that exists is that Curry won before and after KD.[/B] You are just trying to revise history to make apologies for KD.

KD had the chance to beat Curry in the playoffs but he didn't. He could have stayed in OKC to try again but he decided to take the easy road and join Curry.[/QUOTE]

Obviously, my point is that what I'm saying actually applies context, and the existing narrative doesn't have any context and is wrong.

So your bolded is not a valid response to my thread.

And then again, yet AGAIN, you go PAST 2015 to the 2016 year with Kd vs Curry. There is no point is going to 2016 because the narrative I am talking about is related to 2015 and before...

[QUOTE=StrongLurk;15046674]Obviously, my point is that what I'm saying actually applies context, and the existing narrative doesn't have any context and is wrong.

So your bolded is not a valid response to my thread.

And then again, yet AGAIN, you go PAST 2015 to the 2016 year with Kd vs Curry. There is no point is going to 2016 because the narrative I am talking about is related to 2015 and before...[/QUOTE]


The problem is that when people look at a players history they dont just pick out one or two years and ignore the rest if they have any sense.

[QUOTE=tontoz;15046675]The problem is that when people look at a players history they dont just pick out one or two years and ignore the rest if they have any sense.[/QUOTE]

No worries, I can tell you don't have any real rebuttals about this since it's obvious KD would've won in 2012 if Wade/Bosh were injured.

[QUOTE=StrongLurk;15046677]No worries, I can tell you don't have any real rebuttals about this since it's obvious KD would've won in 2012 if Wade/Bosh were injured.[/QUOTE]

If the Warriors were healthy they would have won the championship in 2016 too but it doesn't matter because it is hypothetical. I don't need to rebut things that didn't actually happen.

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;15046672]OP's also acting like it's 100% guaranteed the Cavs win if they're fully healthy in 2015, when while I'd assume most would say it's likely, it's not a certainty. The facts are they literally lost the only game Kyrie played in that series, then the Cavs had to squeak out a 7 game series the following year with Curry having the worst series of his career. I will agree the Cavs likely win if healthy in 2015, but it's not the guarantee OP is making it out to be.

The greatest irony of all this is, even if KD never joins the Warriors, and neither won a title in the 2010's, Curry would've STILL won a title before KD by winning in 2022 anyway :lol[/QUOTE]

it's not about guarantees though, it's about the fact that the warriors were not battle tested to their limit because their competition faced major injuries. then the cavs winning in 2016 against all odds just made it clear that lebron could dominate curry. when the warriors stacked the deck, it was obviously unfair but the stigma remained.

curry still wakes up in the middle of the night to this block:


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[QUOTE=tontoz;15046682]If the Warriors were healthy they would have won the championship in 2016 too but it doesn't matter because it is hypothetical. I don't need to rebut things that didn't actually happen.[/QUOTE]

The 2016 Warriors were far healthier than the 2015 Cavs. To be comparable, Klay and Dray would have to miss the 2016 finals. How's Curry doing going up against the 2016 Cavs without them? We all know that's a clear L for Curry in a similar situation.

Why so defensive anyways? We know KD wins in 2012 without Bosh/Wade playing, so I'm just showing how silly the narrative is of "Curry won before KD" yada yada.

[QUOTE=StrongLurk;15046693]The 2016 Warriors were far healthier than the 2015 Cavs. To be comparable, Klay and Dray would have to miss the 2016 finals. How's Curry doing going up against the 2016 Cavs without them? We all know that's a clear L for Curry in a similar situation.

Why so defensive anyways? We know KD wins in 2012 without Bosh/Wade playing, so I'm just showing how silly the narrative is of "Curry won before KD" yada yada.[/QUOTE]


Wade was first team All-NBA before Lebron joined him. Bosh made more All-Star games than Dray and Klay combined.

Those two missing games would be a much bigger loss than Dray/Klay or Love/Kyrie.

The Warriors beat the Cavs with Kyrie playing 43 minutes in game 1 in 2015.

The Warriors didn't lose the 2016 Finals because of health. They lost the 2016 Finals because Draymond is an emotional retard and LeBron saw a chance to exploit that fact and he took it.

He gets suspended a game. The game after that he plays timid af because he sees what can happen. The game after that is game 7 and at that point it's too late, the Cavs had the momentum, and it still came down to a coin toss.

Anyone who watched that series is extremely aware of the fact that the Warriors coughed up 2 games in a row (5 and 6) because of Draymond's behavior which was 100% preventable.

edit: It's also probably worth noting that the league office is less likely to suspend him there if the Warriors were the ones down 3 to 1 in the series.

Not only did Curry win a chip before KD,










He also won a chip after KD.

Facts.

[QUOTE=tontoz;15046701]Wade was first team All-NBA before Lebron joined him. Bosh made more All-Star games than Dray and Klay combined.

Those two missing games would be a much bigger loss than Dray/Klay or Love/Kyrie.

The Warriors beat the Cavs with Kyrie playing 43 minutes in game 1 in 2015.[/QUOTE]

Kyrie broke his knee before the game ended. Maybe they win if that doesn't happen. Also Love still didn't even play at all.

Also you aren't helping yourself at all with your posts lol. Thanks for agreeing that KD would have won in 2012 if the Heat were injured.

[QUOTE=StrongLurk;15046747]Kyrie broke his knee before the game ended. Maybe they win if that doesn't happen. Also Love still didn't even play at all.

Also you aren't helping yourself at all with your posts lol. Thanks for agreeing that KD would have won in 2012 if the Heat were injured.[/QUOTE]

Kyrie played 43 minutes in that game.:lol

Comparing 1st team All NBA Wade to Kyrie or Love just shows how lame your argument is. Aside from the fact that it is hypothetical nonsense Wade would be a much bigger loss to a team.

KD is 37 years old ffs. He's had plenty of time to prove himself without Curry. He clearly misses his bus driver.