alright alright, im not going that far.. but in todays world of music.. this idlewild album is sucha breathe of fresh air, put together by two of the most creative artists in the game...
what are your thoughts on the new outkast album
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alright alright, im not going that far.. but in todays world of music.. this idlewild album is sucha breathe of fresh air, put together by two of the most creative artists in the game...
what are your thoughts on the new outkast album
havent heard it yet but the last was good
Don't care. It's all about image..so stupid....heard in another thread that Dirks a Rapper. Shouldn't this thread be in the Off the court forums!
maybe, i just want opinions, thats all
[QUOTE=KillaCamNOHOMO]maybe, i just want opinions, thats all[/QUOTE]
My opinion is move this thread to off the court where it belongs, thank you
Best Duet album? what genre does that put them in? It's not rap/hip hop because they don't do that...does that make them pop? R&B? what?
[QUOTE=Timmeh]Best Duet album? what genre does that put them in? It's not rap/hip hop because they don't do that...does that make them pop? R&B? what?[/QUOTE]
They arent hip hop? :confusedshrug:
yeah, i bought this album yesterday, and its a beautiful thing to hear.
the beats are so fresh, and the production is very nice.
might be the best album of 2006
[QUOTE=GOBB]They arent hip hop? :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
Nice Avatar Gobb.
Yeah i don't think THIS one is the best duet ablbum ever but i agree with you 110% that it's a breath of fresh air with today's usual hip hop garbage taking over. It's nice to hear something different for a change
[QUOTE=B-Low]Yeah i don't think THIS one is the best duet ablbum ever but i agree with you 110% that it's a breath of fresh air with today's usual hip hop garbage taking over. It's nice to hear something different for a change[/QUOTE]
Try listening to rock then:
Audioslave
Tool
System of a Down
Try those out for a while. Or is mainstream television telling you what good and cool?
Mighty-O is a great, refreshing track on the album.. check it out
[QUOTE=indenial]Try listening to rock then:
Audioslave
Tool
System of a Down
Try those out for a while. Or is mainstream television telling you what good and cool?[/QUOTE]
You just named 3 pretty mainstream bands.
[QUOTE=funkylikemonkey]You just named 3 pretty mainstream bands.[/QUOTE]
Yeah whats the message they are portraying.....What is Outkasts message?? what is it....mainstream sh!t is cool buy our albums?
outkasts message is that they dont care about the gangsta music, and they do there own thing.. like kanye, common, and other rappers/ musicans..
gangsta rappers dont wear polo shirts, tight ass button down shirts and shades like kanye
old men wear the hats common wears
outkast does there own thing, indenial.. you have to respect it
If you take the songwriting and musical talent of mainstream bands and put it toe to toe with "indy" bands, in almost every case the mainstream people are better singers, better on their instruments, better performers and better songwriters. That's why they get record deals.
A lot of indy and non mainstream bands are really good, but by and large there is a flaw in something they do (songs sound similar, they don't have the capacity to produce more than one good album, they have internal problems, ect)
I'm leaving bubble gum pop and AMerican Idol stuff out of this because a lot of that is based on looks and appearence, but country, rock, punk, heavy, alternative, adult contemporary, jam bands, hip hop and everything else the mainstream people are amazing.
[QUOTE=IBLEEDGREEN43]outkasts message is that they dont care about the gangsta music, and they do there own thing.. like kanye, common, and other rappers/ musicans..
gangsta rappers dont wear polo shirts, tight ass button down shirts and shades like kanye
old men wear the hats common wears
outkast does there own thing, indenial.. you have to respect it[/QUOTE]
I don't have to, doesn't mean I can't or won't....I just seems so bandwagon mainstream.....I mean they had that one song that won best song of the year....and they're more popular than real solid musicians such as Chris Cornell and Audioslave..who sing better who is a better songwriter and guitar player who has more NATURAL talent...no comparison!
[QUOTE=funkylikemonkey]You just named 3 pretty mainstream bands.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. I know basically NOTIHNG about rock so if i know who a rock group is that means they're mainstream, and i know all 3 of them.
[QUOTE=indenial]I don't have to, doesn't mean I can't or won't....I just seems so bandwagon mainstream.....I mean they had that one song that won best song of the year....and they're more popular than real solid musicians such as Chris Cornell and Audioslave..who sing better who is a better songwriter and guitar player who has more NATURAL talent...no comparison![/QUOTE]
Chris Cornell was in Soundgarden, which was a really popular band too, so they really arent much more popular than Outkast.
[QUOTE=B-Low]Exactly. I know basically NOTIHNG:confusedshrug: [/QUOTE]
:eek:
[QUOTE=indenial]Try listening to rock then:
Audioslave
Tool
System of a Down
Try those out for a while. Or is mainstream television telling you what good and cool?[/QUOTE]
I like the part where you named 3 of the most mainstream rock bands and asked the other dudette if he was listening to what the media is telling him is cool.
Yo guys, stop listening to that rap on MTV and start listening to these rappers:
1. Jeezy
2. Rick Ross
3. Nelly
i just think outkasts style is uncomparable in music, so i respect there stuff and definitly believe as far as hip hop/r and b, that this is the best album of 2006
I don't know if it is the best album, but Oukast is by far the best hip hop duo/Group of all time. They smoke, P.E., BDP, De La, Tribe, EPMD, Furious Five, Whodini, Get Fresh Cru, Wu Tang...all of em.
They only group that gives them comp are Run DMC, but they have a historical relevance that Outkast could never have so they aren't even in the discussion.
But out of the remaining groups, Outkast trumps them on orginality, creativity, lyrical content, style, every level...
Dude... Andre3000 (the genius behind Outkast) is one of the most talented musicians in the world. He can sing, dance, play a huge number of instruments... This guy plays the sax in blues clubs in his spare time. You can not like Outkast but don't question Andre's chops. That's just ignorant.
[QUOTE]It's not rap/hip hop because they don't do that...does that make them pop? R&B? what?[/QUOTE]
piss off and go listen to some eyedea or some other white fanboy true to stuck in 1994 boombap underground encyclopedia rap.
also you can compare outkast with the best bands out there
outkast is the kind of music you can put on for your little nephew or your grandma and they'll like it
it is the kind of music people from the slums like, just as much as the society guys from the marketing dept. like.
truely great music and theyre one of the few hip hop groups who'll get mentioned 50 years from now when talking about great music from this era.
and thats something most 'true' hiphopheads dont like. true hiphopheads want boombap, they want something they listened to 10 years ago. always screaming music is their first love, but they dont give a **** about anything besides that good ol boombap. nothing wrong with boombap but we've heard that already.
[QUOTE]They arent hip hop? [/QUOTE] I never considered them hip hop, songs like "Hey ya" and "Church" seemed more like pop songs than hip hop. but if you disagree, then tell me your definition of hip hop, maybe mine is different.
[QUOTE]piss off and go listen to some eyedea or some other white fanboy true to stuck in 1994 boombap underground encyclopedia rap.[/QUOTE] i didn't undertand a word of that, so try again once you know what you're talking about.
Elton John and Micheal Jackson are coming out with a duet also ....yeah its entitled dont let your son go down on me.
My all-time favorite Outkast album is "ATLiens". A brilliant album. I' have more lukewarm feelings about the albums that followed, though Dre's half of the "Speakerboxxx/The Love Below" was brilliant.
"Idlewild" is good, I'll never really consider this there sixth album because it's a soundtrack, and other artist are featured heavily (Jonae, and Scar in particular).
I've heard that the next official Outkast album will be all rapping, so I'll look forward to that.
[quote]He can sing, dance, play a huge number of instruments[/quote]
It's amusing that lay people are so impressed with musicians who play multiple instruments. I guess it's because this day and age, it's rare for a famous entertainer to play [i]any[/i] instruments.
Once you know a bit about music, learning instruments is easy. Mastering them is another story, but getting to be as proficient as Andre Benjamin is would taken most professional musicians a week or two.
I'm not saying he's untalented, because he is a great musician. It's just that playing multiple instruments isn't his gift - anybody can do that.
[QUOTE=adamcz]Once you know a bit about music, learning instruments is easy. Mastering them is another story, but getting to be as proficient as Andre Benjamin is would taken most professional musicians a week or two[/QUOTE]
I am going to take a wild guess and say that you in fact have no idea how proficient he is with any instrument and are just guessing how good he is to suit your argument.
[QUOTE=Lascar78]I am going to take a wild guess and say that you in fact have no idea how proficient he is with any instrument and are just guessing how good he is to suit your argument.[/QUOTE]
I have all the Outkast albums, so the only way you're right is if he hasn't demonstrated his proficiency on them. Nice guess though.
What I've heard of his guitar and piano playing is perfectly adequate to express the music he writes, but it's not like he could get gigs if playing those instruments was all he did.
I like Andre, and I think he's a great musician. Very creative, and a great rapper with a lot of rhythmic control. He just doesn't play any instruments on a professional level.
Hip-Hop and pop isn't really based on excellent musicianship or a showcase of proficiency. They require basic, hooky riffs over and over.
So I doubt his proficiency across several instruments would really be heard on any Hip-Pop album.
I can play guitar better than Andre, can play piano better than Andre, and can play trumpet on the level of his sax play, does that make me a muiscal demigod to you guys?
So you sat down and jammed with him?
Yeah, right.
The point is you really don't know how proficient he is with any of those instruments, and you definitely can't judge him based on what he plays on a Hip-Pop album.
[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]The point is you really don't know how proficient he is with any of those instruments, and you definitely can't judge him based on what he plays on a Hip-Pop album.[/QUOTE]
Yes I can. I've been a professional musician for 9 years now, and the study of music has taken up at least a couple hours of almost every day during that time. I can infer a few things on a quick listen at this point. How long do you think it takes Phil Jackson to tell if somebody is a professional caliber basketball player? Does he have to see the person play in an actual NBA game to be sure? Or could he watch me at the park and know I'm not an NBA player?
You being a musician for only 9 years does not qualify you. It's not an inference you can make. Tell me about how you sat around with Andre, hung out, jammed for a few hours, took lessons from him, saw him at a performance of classical or jazz music, or that you read some article where he or someone close to him states that he's just gettin by on the instruments.
This is very simple.
You can make very few, if any, assumptions of his proficiency based on a few pop records.
If you were such a great musician you would realize that pop music is driven by simplicity and clever hooks. Not how well you can shred on a guitar or drop some Liszt on the keyboard.
My inclination is that he's not some master musician, but don't act like you can tell based on his pop records.
if I were him, and I was magically gifted though, you can be damned sure I'd put it all into a record I knew millions of people were going to buy. Otherwise what's the point? If I'm going to the trouble of making an album, I'm not going to dumb it down for people, I'm going to use all the talent I have to put together the best record I can.
I agree with Adam somewhat here, you can usually tell the level of play that a musician has from recordings, not 100% obviously, but you can get a good picture
Listen to any radio single for a rock group. Like Aerosmith. Listen to Joe Perry play 5 chords over and over on I Don't Wanna Miss a Thing, Angel, or the radio promos for something off Get a Grip. No solo, hardly any breaks or fill ins, just some straight guitar work. You couldn't judge him off that.
Plus, you're talking about hip hop. They'll take one chord and loop it through the whole song. You think they can't hire great studio musicians to light it up on their albums? Of course they can, but it's not necessary nor is it a good idea, because popular music relies on simple hooks.
well obviously it does, I guess I'm just more pissed that there are a ton of musicians out there with talent that don't use it to full effect when they put out a record, and are content to stick with the same old formula just so they don't alienate their audience. So dull