Is Shaq top 5 ever? Why, why not?

[QUOTE=ClutchCityReturns]Not sure where I'd rank him overall, but I don't have him above Hakeem.

We all know Shaq is not one to admit that he's been outdone by an opponent, but this was his exact quote about the 1995 Finals against Hakeem...



Jordan also chose Hakeem over Shaq...



So whose opinion should I value more? Jordan's, or people on this board that have never even played a game of HORSE with the players in question?[/QUOTE]

Yer, Shaq said that after Hakeem beat him. Ask him now after 4 championships, I doubt he'll be saying Hakeem is better. :roll:

And I'm guessing that Jordan quote was before Shaq won any of his titles.

if you take a dirt bag garbage team with no help and put any single player from the list on it, are there more than 5 players who would produce more impact on that team than prime shaq?

i say no.

[QUOTE=DCL]if you take a dirt bag garbage team with no help and put any single player from the list on it, are there more than 5 players who would produce more impact on that team than prime shaq?

i say no.[/QUOTE]

But, but, but... Oscar will average a triple double though. :bowdown:


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Personally yes I do rank Shaq top 5, yes i do. Call me crazy for underrating KAJ, but I just don't see him as the dominant force Shaq was, he just benefited from having unreal longevity. At his peak he was great, but he didn't really win much until Magic joined him in LA.

I only take MJ, Wilt, Bird and Magic over Shaq.

[QUOTE=Loki]Or - or - you could just form your own opinion based on watching them play.

Prime Hakeem did not have as much impact on games as prime Shaq, nor do his numbers, accolades, or team success stack up.[/QUOTE]

I disagree. Prime Hakeem was as dominant as Prime Shaq. Hakeem just wasnt at his prime level, especially offensively, for very long. Defensively he can be argued as the best ever though and for as dominant as Shaq is/was you can't say that about him. I'd take Shaq over Hakeem because of sustained offensive dominance but I think Hakeem gets underrated in all time ranking threads.

shaq's my favorite player of all time, i'm gonna be extremely upset the day he retires. i can't imagine the NBA without shaq. but one thing that always bothered me about shaq is the 'what could have been'... imagine shaq with an MJ or kobe work ethic? good god, we would have seen the most dominant athlete of all time, bar none

[QUOTE=hito da god]shaq's my favorite player of all time, i'm gonna be extremely upset the day he retires. i can't imagine the NBA without shaq. but one thing that always bothered me about shaq is the 'what could have been'... imagine shaq with an MJ or kobe work ethic? good god, we would have seen the most dominant athlete of all time, bar none[/QUOTE]

" What if" Muggys Bouges was 6'6 he would be the GOAT

[QUOTE=2LeTTeRS]Personally yes I do rank Shaq top 5, yes i do. Call me crazy for underrating KAJ, but I just don't see him as the dominant force Shaq was, he just benefited from having unreal longevity. At his peak he was great, but he didn't really win much until Magic joined him in LA.
[B][/B]ITs sad when people dont know the history of the game Shaqs is a mini me to Jabbar
I only take MJ, Wilt, Bird and Magic over Shaq.
[B]So Russ leadership in winning 11 titles makes him a bum huh[/B]

I disagree. Prime Hakeem was as dominant as Prime Shaq. Hakeem just wasnt at his prime level, especially offensively, for very long. Defensively he can be argued as the best ever though and for as dominant as Shaq is/was you can't say that about him. I'd take Shaq over Hakeem because of sustained offensive dominance but I think Hakeem gets underrated in all time ranking threads.[/QUOTE]

ITs too hard to say Shaq pass any player that was already a top 5 player the best way to do it is just add to the list Top 10 top 15 top 20 as years go by. By 2020 MJ will get bump off the top 5 list by some little 3rd grader today

[QUOTE=Niquesports]" What if" Muggys Bouges was 6'6 he would be the GOAT[/QUOTE]

You kidding?

[QUOTE=Brunch@Five]I think the most compelling argument you can make for him being top 5 is that in his prime, he was surpassed by no one and matched only by MJ, Kareem and Wilt. He's arguably the best finals performer ever as well.

To me, he is top 6 for sure, with Kareem, MJ, Wilt, Magic and Bird.[/QUOTE]

to me, 11 & 4 titles are a huge difference, Shaq had more chance to get the title, like 2004, but he did not success, you should not forgot that his first three titles in LA were based on weak Pacer, and Nets for twice. and lost to Piston.

so, Russ is before shaq.

At his best Shaq was unstoppable, unfortunately, the big man domination of the type he had in 2001 is unique, because a man of that size and mobility cannot withstand the dominance for long...


But in the end Shaq for his whole career, should be tauted as top five for sure.

[QUOTE=Kiddlovesnets]Horry has 7 titles, one more than Jordan...[/QUOTE]

that's the point.

Bird got 3, but competed to strong LA, what does Shaq done? only Portland in WCF made them into trouble, and that's Kobe standed out and saved LA, not Shaq.

[QUOTE=symbol33]
Bird got 3, but competed to strong LA, what does Shaq done? only Portland in WCF made them into trouble, and that's Kobe standed out and saved LA, not Shaq.[/QUOTE]

is english your 4th language? there has to be a reason.

[QUOTE=72-10]No... because Tim's achievements are signficantly more than David's, and David did not actually have much more skill than Tim. Oscar, however, had much more skill than Shaq. He was a complete offensive threat, close to the level of MJ. Shaq has achieved more, but not significantly more than Oscar. You can't overlook the fact that Oscar played on teams with relatively little help for most of his career. Shaq has always had that second fiddle.[/QUOTE]

imo, TD is absolutely nothing without DR, and if without DR, he could not get the title in 1999 (that shrink season) and NY only had rookie Camby to struggle the other two big guys. not consider 1999, TD did not get any back to back title, with johnson, elit, gino and parker, thinking that he seldom encouraged his teammates at the emergency moment but DR do that. TD was absolutely not a good leader but DR did, so that's Robinson > Tim D

[QUOTE=symbol33]imo, TD is absolutely nothing without DR, [/QUOTE]


Yes. What has Duncan done since DRob retired in 2003? Dude basically disappeared off the face of the earth since then. :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=symbol33]imo, TD is absolutely nothing without DR, and if without DR, he could not get the title in 1999 (that shrink season) and NY only had rookie Camby to struggle the other two big guys. not consider 1999, TD did not get any back to back title, with johnson, elit, gino and parker, thinking that he seldom encouraged his teammates at the emergency moment but DR do that. TD was absolutely not a good leader but DR did, so that's Robinson > Tim D[/QUOTE]

Wonder how he got the ring in 03 when DRob was absolutely washed up and averaging 9 points and 8 boards a game. That was basically a 1 man team