The Official 2nd Presidential Debate Thread - 10/7/08

[QUOTE=InspiredLebowski]I'm aware it's said in jest, and I assume the guy's who've said he's a terrorist in this thread (kumo, starface) would voice disdain for those who truly believed him to be one.

But don't you think it's somewhat dangerous for a campaign to insinuate the opponent is a terrorist, and that reiterating the stance, albeit in a sarcastic way, encourages that train of thought to expand?[/QUOTE]


you're right, i would not expect anyone in a position of campaign authority to insinuate that obama himself is a terrorist.

but i also think its fair game to point out FACTUAL connections obama has to radicals like jeremiah wright, and terrorists like bill ayers.

[QUOTE=YAWN]some early poll numbers:

cnn
80/15 in favor of obama

[B]fox news
70/30 in favor of obama [/B]

some outsiders - guardian.uk
90/10 in favor of obama[/QUOTE]
Is that a typo? This is Fow news after all. 86% of their viewers thought Palin won. :oldlol:

[QUOTE=InspiredLebowski]I'm aware it's said in jest, and I assume the guy's who've said he's a terrorist in this thread (kumo, starface) would voice disdain for those who truly believed him to be one.

But don't you think it's somewhat dangerous for a campaign to insinuate the opponent is a terrorist, and that reiterating the stance, albeit in a sarcastic way, encourages that train of thought to expand?[/QUOTE]

McCains camp isn't doing that though... but I see where you think the population being around that humor is dangerous though. But yeah, I kind of agree with you, but most know when a joke falls off to an insult...threat...etc.

btw - I haven't said he's a terrorist, I'm just saying its a joke when people say it.

[QUOTE=LakersDynasty]It's a fact you racist moron. That's all you have after I respond with facts? Little "insults?"

I don't care about him being a called a terrorist you dumbsh*t. I'm disgusted at the fact that sheep like you buy into the BS that the GOP feeds you. It's what got us into this situation in the first place. Ignorant, dumb people who voted for Bush so he could keep our country free of "terrorists." :violin:[/QUOTE]



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[QUOTE=LakersDynasty]Is that a typo? [B]This is Fow news after all[/B]. 86% of their viewers thought Palin won. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]


you think you're some enlightened intellectual for supporting obama, and you dont even know how to spell "faux?"

Fow LOL

pathetic.

[QUOTE=LakersDynasty]Is that a typo? This is Fow news after all. 86% of their viewers thought Palin won. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

[url]http://elections.foxnews.com/[/url]

middle of the page. i was surprised too; someone there must be snoozing on the job. im sure it will come around to tilt for mccain at some point soon.

[QUOTE=Kumo]My campaign? Bwahaha.

Yeah, its a joke. Its like a racist joke, a dead baby joke, a blonde joke. Let it go, no need to be so uptight. No, they are not trying to convince he is a terrorist, gtfo. So another person called him a terrorist? Someone has probably said much worse, about Obama and McCain.

Bush killed the value of the dollar? Mind telling me how? If there wasn't a war its possible that terrorists would be torching the fuel lines... a lot worse outcome (with lots of others too). The economy is down because of bad loans... stop blaming Bush for every short-coming of society.[/QUOTE]


[QUOTE=LakersDynasty]It's a fact you racist moron. [B]That's all you have after I respond with facts? Little "insults?"[/B]

I don't care about him being a called a terrorist you dumbsh*t. I'm disgusted at the fact that sheep like you buy into the BS that the GOP feeds you. It's what got us into this situation in the first place. [B]Ignorant, dumb people who voted for Bush so he could keep our country free of "terrorists."[/B] :violin:[/QUOTE]

You didn't respond with facts, but opinions. All you have after I respond to you is just little insults though? Strong hypocrite.

[quote=Denali]you're right, i would not expect anyone in a position of campaign authority to insinuate that obama himself is a terrorist.

but i also think its fair game to point out FACTUAL connections obama has to radicals like jeremiah wright, and terrorists like bill ayers.[/quote]

Palin said Obama "pals around with terrorists." Insinuating, in my interpretation, that he had a cookout last weekend with Ayers. I agree that these factual connections deserve to be addressed, but the Ayers one is one that needs to be treated very delicately in lieu of how some people may react. I wouldn't envy the person who would have to decide how to broach that topic in the right manner.

[quote=Kumo]btw - I haven't said he's a terrorist, I'm just saying its a joke when people say it.[/quote]

I wasn't saying anyone was legitimately calling him one here, just in jest. But in this jest they further the idea to some who aren't as keen as others to be taken literally.

[QUOTE=Kumo]You didn't respond with facts, but opinions. All you have after I respond to you is just little insults though? Strong hypocrite.[/QUOTE]
That respone was towards KumFace, not you. I really don't feel like arguing with people who think Bush has absolutely nothing to do with how fuc[B]k[/B]ed up this country has been for the last 8 years.

Kumface, it's an obvious typo. Come back with something better next time.

[QUOTE=bballer]healthcare is a PRIVILEGE, not a RIGHT[/QUOTE]

:rolleyes:

... if you were born into a poor family... one where health-care was nonexistent... I'm sure you'd be singing a different tune.

McCain demonstrated signs of his "old age" in this debate. He looked very "stiff" up there... I got a kick out of him "taking notes" on the sidelines as Obama practically raped him on many issues.

John McCain folks... the maverick!!! He's the savior of the Republican party? He's a puppet. He's too soft too. I foresee a landslide election approaching.

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Obama's isn't off the hook either. Charisma, check. Class, check. Mannerism, check. The list goes on and on. He's great on camera. To be a black man, he sure doesn't come across as one. He's in a great position; the black voters will vote for him by default regardless of his policies, and the youthful white voters will buy into his charm.

The issue is, the man is full of sh*t. He's not ready to run this country. Neither is McCain for that matter. Back on Obama, how about his [b]bold[/b] statement about invading Pakistan??? On prime time TV! Wake up people, this is serious. Later, he said himself, military action against Iran is still on the table.

Point blank, we have no fu*king business in the middle east!!! Israel, God help them, but we can't keep playing "big brother" ... we have no business in that region of the world. Fu*k the oil! I'm sick of us trying to portray we're there to "enforce stability" to the regin; what a crock of horse sh*t!!! It's about the dollars, and nothing less.

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We're fu*ked either way. I see both puppets as being war-hungry. Even if the softy McCain is unwilling to hit the red button, someone behind the curtain will be more than happy to slap his dentures out of his fu*king mouth and make him do it.

Dark times folks... dark times...

[QUOTE=LakersDynasty]That respone was towards KumFace, not you. I really don't feel like arguing with people who think Bush has absolutely nothing to do with how fuc[B]k[/B]ed up this country has been for the last 8 years.

Kumface, it's an obvious typo. Come back with something better next time.[/QUOTE]

Wait... what? I suppose kumface is supposed to be me, but it wasn't towards me? It was towards kumface... whos that then?

I don't see how a whole response with the wrong quote, and responding to a WHOLE different post is a typo.

Typical liberal... whenever you are wrong you back out with petty insults. :applause:

[QUOTE=Legend of Josh]:rolleyes: ... if you were born into a poor family... one where health-care was nonexistent... I'm sure you'd be singing a different tune.[/QUOTE]

I don't have insurance... and I don't think I should be provided it by the government :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=Kumo]Wait... what? I suppose kumface is supposed to be me, but it wasn't towards me? It was towards kumface... whos that then?

I don't see how a whole response with the wrong quote, and responding to a WHOLE different post is a typo.

Typical liberal... whenever you are wrong you back out with petty insults. :applause:[/QUOTE]
Kumface=Starface=Denali. I just noticed your name starts with "Kum." Should have clarified that. I've stated my opinions about the economy, gas, and Bush. Not going to change it, we can go back and forth all day but the fact is that it won't change anyone's stance. I just don't see a point in arguing with anyone who believes Bush is completely innocent in all of this.

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its gonna get ugly

[QUOTE=InspiredLebowski]
I wasn't saying anyone was legitimately calling him one here, just in jest. But in this jest they further the idea to some who aren't as keen as others to be taken literally.[/QUOTE]


Well I do by all means hope people will question the background and motives of Barrack Hussein Obama.

Barrack Hussein Obama was born to a Muslim father. He has had a working relationship with a man who bombed the pentagon. He attended the church of a radical, racially-divisive preacher in Jeremiah Wright. A church that [URL="http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/01/obama_distances.html"]awarded Luis Farrakhan the Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. Trumpeter Award" and said that Farrakhan "epitomized greatness."[/URL]

That is a very sketchy background. Add to that the fact that Obama has been in the United States senate for four years. During that time he has accrued one of the highest percentages of missed votes of any senator, and after only four years he realized he was popular enough to run straight to the presidency and jumped at the opportunity.

Does he sound to you like a guy who is a trustworthy, honest patriot who wants to serve his country, or a sketchy career politician who is sheisting his way to the white house by simply taking advantage of the sentiment of opposition to the current administration and taking advantage of the a political climate that is conducive to the idealist propaganda of "hope" and "change" the way hitler once did?

you tell me.