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[QUOTE=eliteballer]Kobe dropped 35 on a bad knee. He would easily better that healthy in the 80's. Also, plowkings Wade homerism continues to amuse:roll:[/QUOTE]
Where was the homerism?
You are the one saying Kobe could easily drop more then 35. If you noticed, throughout the stats I posted, Wade's line was the least impressive.
Hey guess what, Kobe still couldn't win any championships as the main guy whichever era you put him in.
[QUOTE=D.J.]I was watching a Larry Bird special and that is exactly what he did to Xavier McDaniel during one game. Bird joked that he didn't mean to leave any time on the clock. McDaniel was probably the toughest player in the league during his time, so anyone that could do that to him and live to tell about it has to be a great player.[/QUOTE]
And no one is saying Bird wasn't a great player, he is a top 5 guy all time, IMO #4. I definitely am not saying he wasn't great. He was like my hero growing up. I watched him and his Celtics for four years before I even watched of the Mavs. I didnt have cable, the Mavs werent really great until '87-'88, I never heard about them, I only saw what I saw on TV. I didnt have RAYCOM, I had CBS, and Larry Bird lived there. I remember listening to WBAP Radio and hearing Randy Galloway talk about Mark "McGwire" one day and I asked my dad how the Mavs (had vaguely heard of them) got Mark McGwire when he was a baseball player? It was then when I learned all about Mark Aguirre & the Mavs. I then started going to my friends house so I could watch Mavs games on cable and the rest is history.
I am just saying that todays players are grrrreat players that dont have the 15 years of nostalgia in their favor. Everyone keeps posting youtubes of these great players but I could just as easily post the youtube of TMac (48) -vs- Dirk (53) and make Dirk looks superhuman.
I think the Golden Era of the NBA was the 80-93 era, especially the pre-expansion 80s where the salaries were in control, free agency was non-existant, and the league was so great, 24 or so teams and the best teams having 3 or more great players. I just think that todays players are overlooked.
Well, let's see. Kobe averaged 35 per game on a chronically bad knee that need surgery in THIS era. Since you believe it would be easier in the 80's, it's safe to say you would AGREE that a healthy Kobe in that era would easily do 35+. As for Wade, his best season playing more than 50 games he averaged 27 ppg, 6 rpg, 7 apg. How all of a sudden his stats jump like that when he wouldnt' have a 20/9 Shaq I dont know
[QUOTE=eliteballer]Kobe dropped 35 on a bad knee. He would easily better that healthy in the 80's. Also, plowkings Wade homerism continues to amuse:roll:[/QUOTE]
Yes you are right, the stat lines I posted were absurd. Let me try again:
Kobe: 45, 8, 9 on 57% shooting
Wade: 11, 2, 4 on 39%
Lebron: 17, 6 and 3 on 42%
That looks a lot better.
[QUOTE=miles berg]And no one is saying Bird wasn't a great player, he is a top 5 guy all time, IMO #4. I definitely am not saying he wasn't great. He was like my hero growing up. I watched him and his Celtics for four years before I even watched of the Mavs. I didnt have cable, the Mavs werent really great until '87-'88, I never heard about them, I only saw what I saw on TV. I didnt have RAYCOM, I had CBS, and Larry Bird lived there. I remember listening to WBAP Radio and hearing Randy Galloway talk about Mark "McGwire" one day and I asked my dad how the Mavs (had vaguely heard of them) got Mark McGwire when he was a baseball player? It was then when I learned all about Mark Aguirre & the Mavs. I then started going to my friends house so I could watch Mavs games on cable and the rest is history.
I am just saying that todays players are grrrreat players that dont have the 15 years of nostalgia in their favor. Everyone keeps posting youtubes of these great players but I could just as easily post the youtube of TMac (48) -vs- Dirk (53) and make Dirk looks superhuman.
I think the Golden Era of the NBA was the 80-93 era, especially the pre-expansion 80s where the salaries were in control, free agency was non-existant, and the league was so great, 24 or so teams and the best teams having 3 or more great players. I just think that todays players are overlooked.[/QUOTE]
There are some great players today. Kobe, LeBron, Wade, Dwight Howard, and Garnett are just some of those players. The main difference between players today and those that played in the 90s and prior is the fundamentals. The players today are easily more athletic and in better physical condition, but it seems as if that's where they spend most of their time.
Bird is easily top five in the all-time list. Number four very well may be the case. I started watching the NBA in '86 and I believe the golden years ended a little more than 10 years ago. I enjoyed watching the NBA in the late 80s and early 90s.
Bottom line is some of the current players are overlooked, but the majority are no where near the guys from 15+ years ago and that is why guys like Kobe and LeBron are overlooked.
[QUOTE=eliteballer]Well, let's see. Kobe averaged 35 per game on a chronically bad knee that need surgery in THIS era. Since you believe it would be easier in the 80's, it's safe to say you would AGREE that a healthy Kobe in that era would easily do 35+. As for Wade, his best season playing more than 50 games he averaged 27 ppg, 6 rpg, 7 apg. How all of a sudden his stats jump like that when he wouldnt' have a 20/9 Shaq I dont know[/QUOTE]
How would Kobe win a championship without Shaq?
I focused on different rule changes, and mentioned that players score in different ways today. I even said in an earlier post that the late 80's, early 90's were the peak. More due to the entertainment purpose and the free flowing game.
Who says Kobe couldn't score more back then? I simply said that would be his best season, not best scoring season. All you Kobe fanboys are obsessed with his scoring numbers, thinking if you have the most points you are the best. I don't even consider Kobe's 35ppg season his best.
Let me put it this way plowking. You're basically saying Wade would be dropping a better statline than Bird and Magic. Get real:oldlol:
[QUOTE=D.J.]There are some great players today. Kobe, LeBron, Wade, Dwight Howard, and Garnett are just some of those players. The main difference between players today and those that played in the 90s and prior is the fundamentals. The players today are easily more athletic and in better physical condition, but it seems as if that's where they spend most of their time.
Bird is easily top five in the all-time list. Number four very well may be the case. I started watching the NBA in '86 and I believe the golden years ended a little more than 10 years ago. I enjoyed watching the NBA in the late 80s and early 90s.
Bottom line is some of the current players are overlooked, but the majority are no where near the guys from 15+ years ago and that is why guys like Kobe and LeBron are overlooked.[/QUOTE]
Oh, I dont think either of those guys are overlooked. I am talking about guys like Dirk & Steve Nash (he is so hated on it is ridiculous, watch the guy play, it is like art). These guys get absolutely zero respect but, year after year, they accomplish as much, if not more, than anyone not named Shaq or Duncan.
Oh well, I am done ranting.
[QUOTE=plowking]Yes you are right, the stat lines I posted were absurd. Let me try again:
Kobe: 45, 8, 9 on 57% shooting
Wade: 11, 2, 4 on 39%
Lebron: 17, 6 and 3 on 42%
That looks a lot better.[/QUOTE]
stop underrating Kobe you dirty hater:no:
[QUOTE=eliteballer]Let me put it this way plowking. You're basically saying Wade would be dropping a better statline than Bird and Magic. Get real:oldlol:[/QUOTE]
You are saying the same thing about Kobe.
Since when is Kobe miles better then Wade? Oh wait, he's not.
[QUOTE=eliteballer]Kobe dropped 35 on a bad knee. He would easily better that healthy in the 80's. Also, plowkings Wade homerism continues to amuse:roll:[/QUOTE]
He wouldn't be getting nearly as many FT's in the 80's, and if he was, it would mean that he wasn't taking (and hence not making) as many 3's. This would be balanced by a higher overall FG% to bring him to about what I said he'd average.
[QUOTE=eliteballer]Let me put it this way plowking. You're basically saying Wade would be dropping a better statline than Bird and Magic. Get real:oldlol:[/QUOTE]
And you think Kobe would post and equal or better line than Jordan. Which is more crazy? :oldlol:
[QUOTE=Loki]He wouldn't be getting nearly as many FT's in the 80's, and if he was, he wouldn't be taking (and hence not making) as many 3's. This would be balanced by a higher overall FG% to bring him to about what I said he'd average.[/QUOTE]
He fails to understand. If you noticed eliteballer, due to zone, players have been forced to take more jumpshots, particullarly 3's. Now that Kobe wouldn't be forced by the zone into jumpshots, he would take less 3's and go to the hole more (like he should have against Boston in the finals).
What is the average FTA/game in 1988 -vs- the average FTA/game in 2008?
I would just like to know.
So Loki you believe Wade would not be able to average 2 more assists in a faster paced basketball era which was more free flowing and less stop-start? I disagree. After all I said this would be his best season.
After all, Wade has a very good apg career average. Probably one of the best for SG's. I honestly believe he would be able to pull those numbers.