LeBron James..."check my stats".

[QUOTE=bruceblitz]I appreciate rare talents, if you deny LeBron's abilities on the basketball court, you are blind.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/thelebronjamesblitz[/url][/QUOTE]

Well, the deal here is that, I do appreciate LeBron's game. But the media hype and the quick boost he's getting to Jordan's legacy is what get's to me. It's like he's getting handed the Crown before he proves his way to the master chair. Being called "King" James in your rookie season isn't respectable at all. Does he have respect for past player's? Yes. Is he a good guy off the court? (on camera)Yes. But has he really done anything on the court to be compared to Jordan? No. Does he strink on the Big stage? Yes. He's no King, and it pain's me to know that the witness's are very blind to this.

And a witness with a LeBron page doesn't impress me, sorry.

I've never seen people read that much into a shirt. It is not that serious people.

I don't care about stats. It's all about winning championships and so far Kobe has 4 and LeBron has 0.

I'm not even a big Kobe fan but the fact is Kobe just won his 4th championship while LeBron hasn't won anything yet.

Don't even compare LeBron (or Kobe for that matter) to Jordan. When LeBron (or Kobe) win 6 titles or more and win them doing it in a 3 peat both times then you can say they might be close to Michael Jordan.

[QUOTE=Skip Bayless]Well, the deal here is that, I do appreciate LeBron's game. But the media hype and the quick boost he's getting to Jordan's legacy is what get's to me. It's like he's getting handed the Crown before he proves his way to the master chair. Being called "King" James in your rookie season isn't respectable at all. Does he have respect for past player's? Yes. Is he a good guy off the court? (on camera)Yes. But has he really done anything on the court to be compared to Jordan? No. Does he strink on the Big stage? Yes. He's no King, and it pain's me to know that the witness's are very blind to this.

And a witness with a LeBron page doesn't impress me, sorry.[/QUOTE]
OK, first of all, let's clear a few things up.

LeBron is on a the type of career pace with his individual production, when concerning scoring and non-scoring contributions, to be compared with the greats. When you reverse the comparison the only 2 players in NBA history that are comparable to LeBron are Jordan and Oscar. That being said he's not as good as either of the two, yet, and might not ever be.

LeBron is the best all-around player we've seen since Jordan.

As far as shrinking on the big stage, I agree to an extent, at his young age he didn't step up in the 2007 Finals, but when you look at the factors around that series, the Spurs didn't respect any of his teammates and they just loaded up on LeBron with double and triple-teams. I'd say he stepped up in the Detroit ECF, and he stepped up big this year in the playoffs. He raised his level of play over his MVP season, which is saying something.

He still has a lot to prove before he gets the type of Jordan comparisons he's been on the receiving end of. People who say LeBron's first 6 years are better than Jordan's first 6 years are flat out wrong.

He proved his nickname "King" right this year. I think King was annointed to him as a nickname because of the "King James" Bible. He was the King of basketball in high school and touted as the next big thing in the NBA, so that all ties in together.
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Oh, and I posted a link to my channel for you to use as a resource, not to impress you.

[QUOTE=ConanRulesNBC]I don't care about stats. It's all about winning championships and so far Kobe has 4 and LeBron has 0.

I'm not even a big Kobe fan but the fact is Kobe just won his 4th championship while LeBron hasn't won anything yet.[/QUOTE]
Are you serious? Are we gonna go over this again?

Percentage of team's points scored in the NBA Finals

Kobe

2000: 14.5% (not even including the game he missed) (W)

2001: 24.4% (W)

2002: 25.2% (W)




In contrast:
Michael Jordan

1991: 30.8% (W)

1992: 34.6% (W)

1993: 38.3% (W)

1996: 29.4% (W)

1997: 36.8% (W)

1998: 38.1% (W)


Kobe's also lost on the big stage as the Lakers main shot taker and leader twice, (yes he tried to take over the 2004 Finals and basically froze Shaq out).... Kobe just won his first ring as a leader in the NBA, and he's 30. If you think LeBron wont match that by the time he's 30, I don't know what to tell you. Most think he will.

[QUOTE=Fatal9]Lebron James also wants you to check out his performance in the three road games in Orlando. Upon "checking" them out, you will discover the following things:

Game 3: lowest FG% for a player scoring more than 40 points in playoff history. 39.2%.

Game 4: 7 turnovers in the last 10-12 minutes of regulation. Most of them on crucial possessions.

Game 6: Made 3 for his last 14 shots as he watched his team get stomped (one of them a garbage time dunk). Had 1 point in the fourth at that point (despite playing the whole quarter!) and 0 points in the second quarter (when the Magic made their run).

:oldlol: at groupies who call this an "all-time" series. [B]Idiot stat geeks[/B].[/QUOTE]
:roll: @ last sentence.

[QUOTE=bruceblitz]Are you serious? Are we gonna go over this again?

Percentage of team's points scored in the NBA Finals

Kobe

2000: 14.5% (not even including the game he missed) (W)

2001: 24.4% (W)

2002: 25.2% (W)




In contrast:
Michael Jordan

1991: 30.8% (W)

1992: 34.6% (W)

1993: 38.3% (W)

1996: 29.4% (W)

1997: 36.8% (W)

1998: 38.1% (W)


Kobe's also lost on the big stage as the Lakers main shot taker and leader twice, (yes he tried to take over the 2004 Finals and basically froze Shaq out).... Kobe just won his first ring as a leader in the NBA, and he's 30. If you think LeBron wont match that by the time he's 30, I don't know what to tell you. Most think he will.[/QUOTE]


Did you even read what I said?

I don't even care about this Kobe vs. LeBron or LeBron vs. Jordan or Kobe vs. Jordan BS that people ALWAYS talk about on here. Jordan > both of them.

But I said I DON'T CARE about shooting percentages. I don't care if LeBron averaged 100 PPG, 80 RPG and 50 APG. The fact is he has yet to win while Kobe has 4.

[QUOTE=Indian guy]LeBron's road averages against Orlando were 37/9/7/42% + an excellent TS% due to his rim attacking. Not to mention a very good PPS of 1.41. That's a much better stretch than Kobe's entire Finals. With Kobe's cast he would've swept Orlando with those numbers. :oldlol: @ 39/8/8/49% not being an ALL-TIME series.[/QUOTE]

If Lebron was on the Lakers, beleive me, he would NOT put up those numbers. The Lakers frontline is not going to stand aside to the wings to let Lebron attack the basket, if they do then the team would certainly lose.

Kobe's finals performance is not even his best game, pretty average performance for Kobe at best, but still impressive. In terms of scoring, not as impressive as Lebron's though. Kobe's experience really helped the Lakers win the close games. Despite Lebron's big assist numbers, if you watch the actual games Kobe is much more skilled in setting up plays for teammates, including very notable great plays finished by Ariza, Gasol, and Odom that led to huge runs. He set up a lot of easy baskets for Bynum too but that guy wasn't able to finish. Fisher's two clutch 3-pointers in Game 4 was also possible only because of Kobe, including that clutch foul against Dwight Howard.

[QUOTE=Fatal9]Lebron James also wants you to check out his performance in the three road games in Orlando. Upon "checking" them out, you will discover the following things:

Game 3: lowest FG% for a player scoring more than 40 points in playoff history. 39.2%.

Game 4: 7 turnovers in the last 10-12 minutes of regulation. Most of them on crucial possessions.

Game 6: Made 3 for his last 14 shots as he watched his team get stomped (one of them a garbage time dunk). Had 1 point in the fourth at that point (despite playing the whole quarter!) and 0 points in the second quarter (when the Magic made their run).

:oldlol: at groupies who call this an "all-time" series. [B]Idiot stat geeks.[/B][/QUOTE]
Oh the irony

It's only a shirt, what the hell are people *****ing about? He has some swagger, so what? What, does he have to fold up his tent and demand trades like Kobe does?

It looks like all Kobe nut lickers are upset that Lebron and the Cavs Fans don't give a **** about Kobe's Championship, because everyone knows it's kind of tainted with KG, Yao and Manu all being injured.

Lebron knows he has time. He is only 24 years old. He is going to get his Team ready, then try again. He is not going to complain, ***** and moan like Kobe did during the Off-Season. He is going to prepare.

Kobe Nut Riders need to get over themselves.

[QUOTE=cotdt]If Lebron was on the Lakers, beleive me, he would NOT put up those numbers. The Lakers frontline is not going to stand aside to the wings to let Lebron attack the basket, if they do then the team would certainly lose.

Kobe's finals performance is not even his best game, pretty average performance for Kobe at best, but still impressive. In terms of scoring, not as impressive as Lebron's though. Kobe's experience really helped the Lakers win the close games. Despite Lebron's big assist numbers, if you watch the actual games Kobe is much more skilled in setting up plays for teammates, including very notable great plays finished by Ariza, Gasol, and Odom that led to huge runs. He set up a lot of easy baskets for Bynum too but that guy wasn't able to finish. Fisher's two clutch 3-pointers in Game 4 was also possible only because of Kobe, including that clutch foul against Dwight Howard.[/QUOTE]
:roll: :oldlol: :roll:

Honestly dude, you are the dumbest poster on here.

As if LeBron wouldn't be able to set up everyone on the Lakers for great shots, :oldlol:

You also leave out the fact that Kobe went straight into the tank last year against the Celtics, LeBron at the very least would have been able to free up the Lakers for better looks on the offensive end of the court. The Lakers would have won the championship last year with LeBron and put LeBron on the Lakers this year and they win 68 games. Maybe 70.

[QUOTE=bruceblitz]OK, first of all, let's clear a few things up.

LeBron is on a the type of career pace with his individual production, when concerning scoring and non-scoring contributions, to be compared with the greats. When you reverse the comparison the only 2 players in NBA history that are comparable to LeBron are Jordan and Oscar. That being said he's not as good as either of the two, yet, and might not ever be.

LeBron is the best all-around player we've seen since Jordan.

As far as shrinking on the big stage, I agree to an extent, at his young age he didn't step up in the 2007 Finals, but when you look at the factors around that series, the Spurs didn't respect any of his teammates and they just loaded up on LeBron with double and triple-teams. I'd say he stepped up in the Detroit ECF, and he stepped up big this year in the playoffs. He raised his level of play over his MVP season, which is saying something.

He still has a lot to prove before he gets the type of Jordan comparisons he's been on the receiving end of. People who say LeBron's first 6 years are better than Jordan's first 6 years are flat out wrong.

He proved his nickname "King" right this year. I think King was annointed to him as a nickname because of the "King James" Bible. He was the King of basketball in high school and touted as the next big thing in the NBA, so that all ties in together.

Oh, and I posted a link to the channel for you to use as a resource, not to impress you.[/QUOTE]

Well when we talk about individual production, yes, his number's may stack up to the greats, but his winning, his fight, killer instinct, overal impactful ability to put the troops on his back and lead the squad to an important victory, is still not even near the level of the greats. While also not even factoring in the weaker defenses he has to go against compared what Jordan had to. We can talk about number's and what pace they are on, all day, but they are hollow number's when the final product doesn't quite mount up. Look at Tracy McGrady's playoff stats, number wise, the hollow stats across the board has him matched with the All-Time elite's, but the total true player Legend end result amount's to nothing. You know this.

Aside from that game 5 in the palace, he hasn't done anything against quality comp that wow'd me. Also, we give him the age excuse when he loses to the Spurs in the Finals, but a week before, we were all over his greatness after that Piston's series. When he win's, this espn station and his witness's give's him beyond glory, but when he loses, he get's placed in the witness protection program (no pun attended) and his "supporting cast" get's thrown in the fire and blamed for everything, when the lead soldier did nothing to help, and even played worst at times.

Good luck to you and your page. I didn't want to come off as mean.

[QUOTE=bruceblitz]As if LeBron wouldn't be able to set up everyone on the Lakers for great shots, :oldlol:

You also leave out the fact that Kobe went straight into the tank last year against the Celtics, LeBron at the very least would have been able to free up the Lakers for better looks on the offensive end of the court. The Lakers would have won the championship last year with LeBron and put LeBron on the Lakers this year and they win 68 games. Maybe 70.[/QUOTE]

You know that Lebron would just dribble the ball until there are only 10 seconds left on the clock, and drive, but if the other team defends properly then Lebron would kick the ball back out to one of his teammates waiting in the wings to take the shot. Oops, only 2 seconds left on the shot clock, gotta take a low percentage shot. Kobe doesn't do this crap. The Lakers have far better ball movement.

And last year, the Celtics played better against the Lakers than they did against the Cavs, so you can't draw any conclusions. Lakers as a team played bad which made Kobe look bad but he was the only one doing anything.

Bruce:

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stop hating on lebron's $wag.