[QUOTE=qrich]If he was 7-32 at that time, he has since went 7-24 (29.2%). At least until February 4th of this past season.[/QUOTE]
Kobe's a [B]BEAST[/B].........what u think fatal? :roll:
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[QUOTE=qrich]If he was 7-32 at that time, he has since went 7-24 (29.2%). At least until February 4th of this past season.[/QUOTE]
Kobe's a [B]BEAST[/B].........what u think fatal? :roll:
[QUOTE=Fatal9]Kobe's peak > Hakeem's peak because he had a higher PER, right? Statistically prime Kareem (who played with only 10-15% difference in pace) kills Jordan. This is why I hate Jordan fans (not the player, but his fans). They make his teammates seem worse than they really are, they try to make it seem like the "GOAT" status is questionable, they are usually ignorant kids who really have followed only his career (mostly through biased youtube highlights), don't place his career in context, they are sensitive to any opinion or comment that doesn't praise him, and the worst part is that there are so many of them on the internet (crazy amount of youtube tribute videos).
There isn't even a negative comment about Jordan in the OP but these guys are so insecure it's crazy.[/QUOTE]
You are such a bull****er.. [B]You are the guy who started the KOBE on Pace for A BETTER PER than MJ crap post before the finals[/B].. YES OR NO.. JERKOFF.... After Kobe failed to keep that great PER you stopped posting that bull... As for PER and kobe vs Hakeem... I have read from most and yourself included that PERS's should not be used to measure guys in different positions....
Still I will engage that bull... [B]Sure Kobe has a better PER in the regular season in his peak but Hakeem's PER in the playoffs , where greats are made, is much better than Kobe's... [/B]
I also notice you only use Kobe's best years to measure them against Hakeems' best years.. Again BEING SELECTIVE TO MAKE YOUR ARGUMENT STRONGER, a punk move you have used in the past... EXAMPLE
Mj only shot 39 percent if you take game 2,5, and 6 out....:roll:
Hakeem has a better PER than Kobe at this point.. One other point I will make is that Kobe's best years have come after the No touch rules came into effect.....
Lastly I don't want the kobestans *****ing cuz this faker put Kobe into this discussion...
[QUOTE=NBASTATMAN]You are such a bull****er.. [B]You are the guy who started the KOBE on Pace for A BETTER PER than MJ crap post before the finals[/B].. YES OR NO.. JERKOFF.... After Kobe failed to keep that great PER you stopped posting that bull... As for PER and kobe vs Hakeem... I have read from most and yourself included that PERS's should not be used to measure guys in different positions....
Still I will engage that bull... [B]Sure Kobe has a better PER in the regular season in his peak but Hakeem's PER in the playoffs , where greats are made, is much better than Kobe's... [/B]
I also notice you only use Kobe's best years to measure them against Hakeems' best years.. Again BEING SELECTIVE TO MAKE YOUR ARGUMENT STRONGER, a punk move you have used in the past... EXAMPLE
Mj only shot 39 percent if you take game 2,5, and 6 out....:roll:
Hakeem has a better PER than Kobe at this point.. One other point I will make is that Kobe's best years have come after the No touch rules came into effect.....
Lastly I don't want the kobestans *****ing cuz this faker put Kobe into this discussion...[/QUOTE]
ETHER:hammertime:
[QUOTE=guy]I remember this too. And the same article said Kobe was like 7-32 lol. This was a few years ago though, so I'm sure Kobe's has changed. I'm not going to bother finding the article and citing it since apparently according to this thread we don't really have to.
Anyway, Fatal9 - what exactly is your definition of "anti-clutch?" Is it straight up just missing a game winning shot or a few shots in the end? Or actually choking and not playing up to normal standards? IMO it would be like missing game winning free throws or easy layups, taking bad shots at the end of a game and missing when your teammates are open, letting your team blow big leads, having a bad performances on big stages, not being aggressive when you need to be, etc. Missing a couple of shots at the end of a close game is not anti-clutch IMO. Anti-Clutch IMO is pretty much playing below standards at the end of a close game or overall for a big game. Whichever way it is, today's superstars that you have cited such as Kobe and Lebron are still more anti-clutch then Jordan. So I'm not sure how this proves your point that we shouldn't be so hard on them when they are "anti-clutch," when they are still moreso then Jordan. Either way, most people don't think those guys are anti-clutch.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=NBASTATMAN]You are such a bull****er.. [B]You are the guy who started the KOBE on Pace for A BETTER PER than MJ crap post before the finals[/B].. YES OR NO.. JERKOFF.... After Kobe failed to keep that great PER you stopped posting that bull... As for PER and kobe vs Hakeem... I have read from most and yourself included that PERS's should not be used to measure guys in different positions....
Still I will engage that bull... [B]Sure Kobe has a better PER in the regular season in his peak but Hakeem's PER in the playoffs , where greats are made, is much better than Kobe's... [/B]
I also notice you only use Kobe's best years to measure them against Hakeems' best years.. Again BEING SELECTIVE TO MAKE YOUR ARGUMENT STRONGER, a punk move you have used in the past... EXAMPLE
Mj only shot 39 percent if you take game 2,5, and 6 out....:roll:
Hakeem has a better PER than Kobe at this point.. One other point I will make is that Kobe's best years have come after the No touch rules came into effect.....
Lastly I don't want the kobestans *****ing cuz this faker put Kobe into this discussion...[/QUOTE]
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I love the Jordan stans getting their panties in a bunch and bringing up Kobe in a thread that has nothing to do with him.:oldlol:
[QUOTE=nnn123]:roll:
Everyone should just give Fatal what he wants and post one moment u recall of Jordan being anti-clutch.
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No, instead we should post all of Kobe's anti-clutch moments. Fatal9 would probably have a heart attack. The list would be pretty damn long.
[QUOTE=Jacks3]I love the Jordan stans getting their panties in a bunch and bringing up Kobe in a thread that has nothing to do with him.:oldlol:[/QUOTE]
I'm surprised some people are gullible enough to be unaware of the op's intention.
[QUOTE=raptorfan_dr07]No, instead we should [B]post all of Kobe's anti-clutch moments.[/B] Fatal9 would probably have a heart attack. The list would be pretty damn long.[/QUOTE]
Already been done. Bruce did it...What's also funny is, that most of the ppl in this thread b*tching over some "anti-Clutch" moments, are the same ppl lol'ing in Bruce's "anti-Kobe" threads...Then Bruce's follower's all bunch together and say..."Watch the Kobe nut huggers be pissed by this, lol"..
Then Flame us as Stans for being pissed....
But humm, what do ya know...:rolleyes:
Also, I really don't condone this thread...Because fatal, if their are tons of posters who think your a Jordan hater, why make a thread showing MJ's negative times?
[QUOTE=LA_Showtime]Yeah, Fatal usually has an agenda.
This thread doesn't bother me though. He's stated that Jordan's the best of all time, but he wants people to know MJ was human like all of the other stars.[/QUOTE]
"...but he wants people to know MJ was human like all of the other stars."
NO. All the other players were human and MJ was a machine non human bball murderer.
[QUOTE=Fatal9]Go check the articles from those dates morons. And then check if I am lying. :oldlol: at thinking I am going to put tapes up of all this because you can't use google. Only posted like 25 entries and people are shocked. Amazing...is this the type of reputation MJ has built up?[/QUOTE]
His reputation is he is the greatest of all time and no one has ever even been close.
There's your answer.
[QUOTE=goldgrill4me]some of these plays or shots are definitely not actually unclutch.
is missing a fadaway three, off one foot, with .8 secs from 29 feet away unclutch?? some of these shots need to be put into perspective if u are really so interested in making an accurate log. which of course he is not.[/QUOTE]
+1
[QUOTE=branslowski]Already been done. Bruce did it...What's also funny is, that most of the ppl in this thread b*tching over some "anti-Clutch" moments, are the same ppl lol'ing in Bruce's "anti-Kobe" threads...Then Bruce's follower's all bunch together and say..."Watch the Kobe nut huggers be pissed by this, lol"..
Then Flame us as Stans for being pissed....
But humm, what do ya know...:rolleyes:
Also, I really don't condone this thread...Because fatal, if their are tons of posters who think your a Jordan hater, why make a thread showing MJ's negative times?[/QUOTE]
LOL get a clue dude, everyone knows this Fatal9 is agenda driven besides you and Roundball_Rock cmon.
[QUOTE=lbj23clutch]LOL get a clue dude, everyone knows this Fatal9 is agenda driven besides you and Roundball_Rock cmon.[/QUOTE]
Did you even understand my post? Or is Fatal on your mind 24/7?
Point I was making was, that most of the ppl pissed about this, aren't pissed when Bruce just pulls up all of Kobe's Negative moments...
Then you have dude's in here that say.."Oh, well, it's a fact, so who cares if it's negative, stop crying over Kobe".....But yet, their pissed at this thread that also shows fact's of MJ and his rare non clutch moments? DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT IAM SAYING???
I don't give a sh!t about what Fatal9 is...I really don't...So please, don't bring him up to me....Just tell me you can comprehend what Iam saying...
[QUOTE=lbj23clutch]LOL get a clue dude, everyone knows this Fatal9 is agenda driven besides you and Roundball_Rock cmon.[/QUOTE]
No different than Bruce though. Brans has a point, the moaners and whiners here are jockers who laugh and gather/bash/congratulate Bruce pulling out the "stats", but when it's pertaining their hero...GOD FORBID!!....
Jordan's one of my fav's, no doubt the GOAT, but the hypocrisy is amusing.