ESPN article blasts "has-been" Jordan for Kobe comments

[QUOTE=Calabis]If you say so....any past or current great is that way when hot....[/QUOTE]

NOT AS HOT AS BRYANT

i really don't get why you can't except that this. kobe has a better three-point shot, and is much more willing to take them, has more range, which is why he can rake up points so quickly when he's in the zone. even more so than jordan. again, even when jordan was playing in the fast-paced era of the 80's, on some shitty teams, he never came near 81 points. he's still a better scorer overall, but not a good as kobe when both are totally in their absolute zone. FACT.

Maybe people should look at that Toronto team that gave up 81 points.

[QUOTE=Calabis]If you say so....any past or current great is that way when hot....Jordan decided to sit out when he set a Finals record(at the time) with 6 three pointers in first half, which could have been more, but he sat out the last 6 1/2 minutes....whats so hard to understand that if he stayed in and kept jacking while in that zone, more shots would've been made...also last time I checked that happened when they said he couldn't shoot three's[/QUOTE]


Kobe didn't play the 4th Quarter when he outscored the Mavs 62-61. Had Phil played him the whole quarter he could have easily gotten 90pts and a shot at outscoring a team

[QUOTE=Hotlantadude81]Maybe people should look at that Toronto team that gave up 81 points.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I personally prefer his 62 in 3 quarters vs Dallas.

[QUOTE=G-Funk]Kobe didn't play the 4th Quarter when he outscored the Mavs 62-61. Had Phil played him the whole quarter he could have easily gotten 90pts and a shot at outscoring a team[/QUOTE]




Him going for "90 points" is flat out pure speculation. For all you know, Kobe could have gone cold in the 4th, or just merely scored 10 more points, and been done. We cant sit here, and speculate any of that.

[QUOTE=Hotlantadude81]Maybe people should look at that Toronto team that gave up 81 points.[/QUOTE]



I generally dont like to downplay Kobe's 81, because it WAS incredible, but one HAS TO consider this is also a similar Toronto team, that let an old ass Shaq drop 40 on them.

So, if we (some people here) want to consider "era" and people they were playing against, then why dont they consider THAT as well?

[QUOTE=oh the horror]I generally dont like to downplay Kobe's 81, because it WAS incredible, but one HAS TO consider this is also a similar Toronto team, that let an old ass Shaq drop 40 on them.

So, if we (some people here) want to consider "era" and people they were playing against, then why dont they consider THAT as well?[/QUOTE]
If you want to make excuses, jordan scored 69 against a team with a losing record and needed two OTs to do so.

[QUOTE=Jacks3]NOT AS HOT AS BRYANT

i really don't get why you can't except that this. kobe has a better three-point shot, and is much more willing to take them, has more range, which is why he can rake up points so quickly when he's in the zone. even more so than jordan. again, even when jordan was playing in the fast-paced era of the 80's, on some shitty teams, he never came near 81 points. he's still a better scorer overall, but not a good as kobe when both are totally in their absolute zone. FACT.[/QUOTE]

Yet the same guy can't beat 50 in the playoffs in 198 games and counting...

[QUOTE=Da_Realist]Yet the same guy can't beat 50 in the playoffs in 198 playoff games and counting...[/QUOTE]
:facepalm

he had 50 against the Suns a couple of yrs ago. he's had more 30+ and 40+ games in the playoffs than anybody in the league today. scoring in the playoffs isn't a problem for kobe. plus, the sample size is much smaller. again, nobody is saying that kobe is the better scorer in terms of consitency, but he's easily better when hot. only deluded jordan stans like yourself would deny this.

[QUOTE=Ne 1]''Kobe is the best all around player that I have ever coached'' - Phil Jackson during the 2001 playoffs[/QUOTE]

Kobe Bryant 16 triple doubles (0 in playoffs)

Michael Jordan 28 triple doubles (2 more in playoffs) and universally regarded as a better defender than Kobe.

Scottie Pippen 15 triple doubles (3 more in playoffs) and also universally regarded as a better defender than Kobe.

Interesting...but hey, Phil's the coach.

[QUOTE=Da_Realist]Kobe Bryant 16 triple doubles (0 in playoffs)

Michael Jordan 28 triple doubles (2 in playoffs) and universally regarded as a better defender than Kobe.

Scottie Pippen 15 triple doubles (3 in playoffs) and also universally regarded as a better defender than Kobe.

Interesting...but hey, Phil's the coach.[/QUOTE]

clown.

:rolleyes:

Read this yesterday. The article is terrible. How did this guy get hired. Oh wait...it's ESPN.

[QUOTE=Jacks3]:facepalm

he had 50 against the Suns a couple of yrs ago. he's had more 30+ and 40+ games in the playoffs than anybody in the league today. scoring in the playoffs isn't a problem for kobe. plus, the sample size is much smaller. again, nobody is saying that kobe is the better scorer in terms of consitency, but he's easily better when hot. only deluded jordan stans like yourself would deny this.[/QUOTE]

We're not talking about 30+, 40+ games. Jordan could do those regularly. We are talking about the zone you say Jordan could never reach. 70+, 80+ games. And you're right. Jordan never reached that zone. So you argue that Kobe's scoring ceiling is higher. I'M saying Kobe never topped 50 in the playoffs. So Kobe somehow loses the ability to reach that ceiling in the playoffs. I know Kobe could score 40+. Hell, I know Kobe could score 50+ in the playoffs if he wanted to. Maybe 60 if he made it his goal.

But I'm also saying Jordan could have done more in the regular season by the same reasoning.

[QUOTE=G-Funk]Kobe didn't play the 4th Quarter when he outscored the Mavs 62-61. Had Phil played him the whole quarter he could have easily gotten 90pts and a shot at outscoring a team[/QUOTE]

And again he shot 25 free throws, more than Jordan 63 point effort in a full game

[QUOTE=Da_Realist]We're not talking about 30+, 40+ games. Jordan could do those regularly. We are talking about the zone you say Jordan could never reach. 70+, 80+ games. And you're right. Jordan never reached that zone. So you argue that Kobe's scoring ceiling is higher. I'M saying Kobe never topped 50 in the playoffs. So Kobe somehow loses the ability to reach that ceiling in the playoffs. I know Kobe could score 40+. Hell, I know Kobe could score 50+ in the playoffs if he wanted to. Maybe 60 if he made it his goal.

But I'm also saying Jordan could have done more in the regular season by the same reasoning.[/QUOTE]
No, that logic only counts when it favors Kobe.