Would Bulls fans trade Derrick Rose for LeBron James if they had the chance?

[QUOTE=Go Getter]when the Cavs and Mike Brown had one of if not THE best defense in the league no one discredit Lebron's MVP potential because of it.

No one said Jordan wasn't an MVP because the Bulls were the best defensive team in the NBA (and Scottie took the tough defensive assignment for Jordan a lot).

EVERY top team has a top defense.

The Celts had one last night and Rose torched them.


Ya'll kill me trying to discredit Rose's candidacy because of the teams's D.

D. Rose is a part of the team d so he should get part of the credit there as well should he not? We don't have a Scottie, Mutumbo, Dwight, or Russell on our team.[/QUOTE]
Well the criticism came more around a month ago when the bulls were 15th-18th in the league offensively.. they've improved since then. The reason why Lebron didn't hear any criticism for having a good defense is because he was a big part of why they were a good defense, and they had the 4th best offense to go along with it. Same with Jordan. Rose doesn't come close to those guys' defensive impact.

[QUOTE=Nash][B]Nobody is trying to discredit what Rose is doing[/B], he will be the mvp. But being an all star isn't something that Lebron, Wade and Kobe can't achieve.

Also, you can't compare Bulls and Lebrons Cavs, no way man. Just the fact that Cleveland became THE WORST NBA TEAM IN HISTORY when Lebron left tells you a lot about what he was dealing with. Do you think that the Bulls would be the worst team in history if Rose left? Do you think a team with Noah, Deng and Boozer would be the worst in NBA history?[/QUOTE]


Are you serious?:roll:


read the board man....there are TONS of people doing just that.

And the cavs didn't only lose Bron they lost their coach, they lost Shaq, they lost Mo, and Jamison is down for the year.

It's the Cav's fault for building around a guy who didn't respect them enough to tell them he wanted to be traded. He held the team hostage thinking he was coming back and burned them.

I wouldn't invest in a guy like that that's why I chose Rose.

[QUOTE=Go Getter]

Lebron does not sell more jerseys than Rose.

Lebron could not put more butts in the seats than Rose--we already are #1 in attendance.

So who would he make more money for? The city? The team? Or himself?[/QUOTE]

let me guess, with the sale of jerseys we actually have to watch them being sold instead of going off the stats, right? :oldlol: :oldlol:

and yeah, miami has the number 1 overall attendance based on home and away. :oldlol:

there is no point arguing with people who blatantly lie.

[QUOTE=chazzy]Well the criticism came more around a month ago when the bulls were 15th-18th in the league offensively.. they've improved since then. The reason why Lebron didn't hear any criticism for having a good defense is because he was a big part of why they were a good defense, and they had the 4th best offense to go along with it. Same with Jordan. Rose doesn't come close to those guys' defensive impact.[/QUOTE]


We weren't 15th-18th because Rose sucks....we wouldhave been worse WITHOUT Rose.

Bron's on ball defense (and off ball as of now) is extremely overrated.

Rose averages more blocks than Lebron right now.

[QUOTE=chazzy]Well the criticism came more around a month ago when the bulls were 15th-18th in the league offensively.. they've improved since then. The reason why Lebron didn't hear any criticism for having a good defense is because he was a big part of why they were a good defense, and they had the 4th best offense to go along with it. Same with Jordan. Rose doesn't come close to those guys' defensive impact.[/QUOTE]

Exactly.

[QUOTE=Go Getter]Lebron played with Boozer silly....and he also played with Jamison (former All-Star) and Shaq.

Noah and varejoa have similar skillsets.

Lebron does not sell more jerseys than Rose.

Lebron could not put more butts in the seats than Rose--we already are #1 in attendance.

So who would he make more money for? The city? The team? Or himself?[/QUOTE]
Are you really for real? Lebron played with Boozer for one season. Also, the Boozer of today is way better than the Boozer Lebron had.

And are you seriously comparing Noah and Verajao just cuz they have the same skillset? Thats like saying Igoudala could replace Lebron cuz Igoudala is the poor mans Lebron or that OJ Mayo can replace Kobe cuz they got the same skillset. You're delusional man.

Chicago is a sports town, people would show up if the team is doing good. Miami is a different city where they don't give a f*ck. If Lebron was playing for the Bulls the Chicago fans would buy anything he's a part of.

[QUOTE=Go Getter]We weren't 15th-18th because Rose sucks....we wouldhave been worse WITHOUT Rose.

Bron's on ball defense (and off ball as of now) is extremely overrated.

Rose averages more blocks than Lebron right now.[/QUOTE]

Nobody is saying Rose sucks though.

Of course you would have been far worse without Rose.

Please don't compare Rose's defensive impact to that of Lebron. Its light years apart at this point.

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]We all know this.

I love how a team with Boozer, Deng, and Noah is now not better than the garbage Lebron had.

Only on ISH can this be true. Hilarious.[/QUOTE]


Cavs built around Bron.

He had knock down shooters and good defenders and a team that was built to play tough series in the post season.

When the chips were down HE failed to step up and made that lame excuse about his arm.

HE was garbage.

The team he had was good enough to reach the finals at least and he shrunk like a cold ball sack. It's nuts that people called that team garbage. They were a GREAT team.

He found it in himself to dance on the Bulls like an ass to make fun of us.

Now he looks stupid and i can't wait...I hope we knock their asses out the playoffs.

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]
The first player is more efficient. He's scoring his points while missing less shots. That is what efficiency is. Efficiency is about who misses less.
.[/QUOTE]
What?

Efficiency is points scored divided by possessions used to get those points.

With this logic a 3pt shooter going 4/10 is less efficient than another player going 5/10 on 2pt field goals. One took 10 scoring opportunities to score 12 points and one took 10 opportunities to score 10 points despite the latter shooting 10% better FG. There's no way you can spin this to say the second player is more efficient.:oldlol:

Taking threes results in more misses which can give the opposing team more opportunities but at the same token, three pointers are some of the biggest momentum shifters in the game and anyone whose ever played basketball knows that it is a rythym game. They have their positives and their negatives.

It really comes down to what you value but all statistics have their place in the game. TS shows us how many opportunities it took a player to get his points.That is efficiency at it's rawest.

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]Nobody is saying Rose sucks though.
*I was being sarcastic*
Of course you would have been far worse without Rose.

Please don't compare Rose's defensive impact to that of Lebron. Its light years apart at this point.[/QUOTE]


Why is it?

Lebron has never been a lockdown defender on the perimeter, his merit always came from weak side blocks.

Now he doesn't even have more blocks than Rose.

Rose has played good to stellar d on some of the league's best point guards.

*In b4 egg head defensive rtg stat.

[QUOTE=Go Getter]Are you serious?:roll:


read the board man....there are TONS of people doing just that.

And the cavs didn't only lose Bron they lost their coach, they lost Shaq, they lost Mo, and Jamison is down for the year.

It's the Cav's fault for building around a guy who didn't respect them enough to tell them he wanted to be traded. He held the team hostage thinking he was coming back and burned them.

I wouldn't invest in a guy like that that's why I chose Rose.[/QUOTE]
Well I'm not discrediting Rose, I like Rose.

What? Mo was there when Cleveland became the worst team in history, so was Jamison. Also, a 39 year old Shaq has no effect on a team anymore. Cleveland would have still been the worst team in history with or without a 39 year old Shaq.

[QUOTE=Nash]Are you really for real? Lebron played with Boozer for one season. Also, the Boozer of today is way better than the Boozer Lebron had.

And are you seriously comparing Noah and Verajao just cuz they have the same skillset? Thats like saying Igoudala could replace Lebron cuz Igoudala is the poor mans Lebron or that OJ Mayo can replace Kobe cuz they got the same skillset. You're delusional man.

Chicago is a sports town, people would show up if the team is doing good. Miami is a different city where they don't give a f*ck. If Lebron was playing for the Bulls the Chicago fans would buy anything he's a part of.[/QUOTE]


You said he never played with guys like Booz and Noah and I proved you wrong.

Booz has been so so this year and not better than the year he held FA hostage for a big contract.

The jump from OJ to Kobe or AI to Bron is MUCH MUCH bigger than the jump from Varejao to Noah. Be real man.

Chicago is a sports town but we don't like certain types of guys.

Media icon or not, Bron doesn't sell more jerseys than Rose and he couldn't put more fans in the seats than Rose does.

We like rooting for a hometown kid....old ladies who know nothing about basketball tune in because we have the Chicago kid who made good out of a notoriously bad neighborhood.

[QUOTE=donald_trump]both jordan and lebron actually played good defense. rose doesnt.

both jordan and lebron could expect a loss when they had a poor shooting night. rose can expect a win no matter how he plays.

rose this season is the only mvp candidate this season who plays better in losses than wins.[/QUOTE]

Haha r u serious? This dude is the most idiotic and inscure poster here, along with Pauk and youcallIlose

[QUOTE=Nash]Well I'm not discrediting Rose, I like Rose.

What? Mo was there when Cleveland became the worst team in history, so was Jamison. Also, a 39 year old Shaq has no effect on a team anymore. Cleveland would have still been the worst team in history with or without a 39 year old Shaq.[/QUOTE]


Who knows what would have happened if they would have kept Mike Brown, Jamison was healthy, and they kept West and Mo?

They lost MUCH more than just Lebron man.

Rose is already one of the best players in the game at 22. All of these guys are insecure haters. They spend their whole day writing these BS comments, you guys dont have anything better to do? Your life must really be invaluable if you spend your whole day hating on a player on a forum. I could only do that for my fav. player, shows how much insecure you guys are of Rose. I hate Rondo and I never go into boards writing sh1t about it, cuz i know I got better things to put my time into. Its funny, are you guys going to do this for the next 15 years?

I know with success comes a bunch of haters, but damn you guys are not just haters, but losers.