in b4 kobe starts raping the nba again
well here we go again
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in b4 kobe starts raping the nba again
well here we go again
[QUOTE=kaiiu]btw when did mid 70 % wing ft shooters become good shooters? :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Mcgrady was hovering around the mid 70's for a while. I don't think he was a bad shooter at all. It's just more often than not, a guy shooting 7-8%+ better from the charity stripe is gonna be a better shooter.
[QUOTE=catch24]
Now when factoring how they're covered[/quote]
There's no difference between how LeBron and Kobe are covered anymore. This isn't 2007.
[quote]do the numbers not back that Kobe is easily a better all-around shooter?[/QUOTE]
**** no. LeBron's better from outside of 16 feet and Kobe's better from 10-15 feet. LeBron's superiority covers more distance on the floor and is a bigger part of both player's game, so I don't know how you can reach the conclusion Kobe's easily better, if better at all.
Bottom line is this, you still haven't done jacksh!t to prove Kobe's [i]on a different level[/i] than 10-11 LeBron. How could you? Numbers just don't back it up. That's why I guess you have suddenly jumped on Kobe's 10-11 season because of the 51% shooting from 10-15 feet, even though you were all bent on not including this season at all at the beginning :oldlol:
[QUOTE=catch24]Mcgrady was hovering around the mid 70's for a while. I don't think he was a bad shooter at all. It's just more often than not, a guy shooting 7-8%+ better from the charity stripe is gonna be a better shooter.[/QUOTE]
Meh... Mcgrady hovered around 77 % for his career. He was never a ELITE all around shooter. He was a good shooter who had a great shot off the dribble.
Lebron has a career average of like 74 % and was a mediocre shooter all around for his career.
[QUOTE=Indian guy]There's no difference between how LeBron and Kobe are covered anymore. This isn't 2007.[/quote]
You've got to be shitting me. You don't think defenses prep differently for them? What? :roll:
[quote]**** no. LeBron's better from outside of 16 feet and Kobe's better from 10-15 feet. LeBron's superiority covers more distance on the floor and is a bigger part of both player's game, so I don't know how you can reach the conclusion Kobe's easily better, if better at all.
Bottom line is this, you still haven't done jacksh!t to prove Kobe's [i]on a different level[/i] than 10-11 LeBron. How could you? Numbers just don't back it up. That's why I guess you have suddenly jumped on Kobe's 10-11 season because of the 51% shooting from 10-15 feet, even though you were all bent on not including this season at all at the beginning :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
So you ignore midrange and FT shooting. OK, that's all I needed to know.
How don't the numbers back that up when you cover the main aspects of shooting (from the field), and Bryant comes up with a 7%+ advantage? I'm seriously confused. How can you deny the evidence when it's right in front of your face?
[QUOTE=game3524]Kobe athletic demise has been greatly exaggerated, he isn't the same athlete he was in 2005, but he is still an above average athlete.[/QUOTE]
Great point! Kobe's game wasn't based solely on athletic ability anyway. He was also regarded as the best all around player in the L until Lebron started improving. Kobe has one of the greatest midrange games ever and has the post game as well. Kobe had so many tools in the chest that if one comes out the box he's still better than 99% of the L at 33 years of age. Its funny to me that Dirk is the same age and NOBODY says Dirk is old. Sure Kobe isnt' quite as athletic. But he's still a top five player in the L.
[QUOTE=Indian guy]LeBron averages 1.5 to Kobe's 3.[/QUOTE]
SO over the course of the season Kobe takes double the amount of those shots...
Very significant
[QUOTE=catch24]You've got to be shitting me. You don't think defenses prep differently for them? What? :roll:[/quote]
In terms of space allowed for shooting jumpers, no, there is no difference in how they're defended 1-on-1 anymore.
[quote]So you ignore midrange and FT shooting.[/quote]
Uhh, didn't I say Kobe's better from 10-15 feet? Just like LeBron's better outside of 16 feet.
[quote]How don't the numbers back that up when you cover the main aspects of shooting (from the field)[/quote]
What happens between those 10-15 feet makes up for a far smaller aspect of Kobe and LeBron's game than what happens outside of 16 feet. Just look at the HUGE difference in shot attempts! LeBron's biggest edge as a jump shooter over Kobe is from the area Kobe RELIES most on in order to score.
[quote]How can you deny the evidence when it's right in front of your face?[/QUOTE]
The only evidence I'm interested in seeing is your original claim of Kobe being [i]on a different level[/i] as a shooter than LeBron today. Since all data indicates otherwise, can you at least admit you were way wrong?
clearly Indian Girl is trolling. Dont even know why Catch24 is responding still. He already destroyed both the Stans
Indian Guy = Sad
Kurasorwa = Sadder
Blind people these days.......
Lebron not getting defended on drives?
Just two stupid fckn trolls that want someone to see them.
[QUOTE=Indian guy]In terms of space allowed for shooting jumpers, no, there is no difference in how they're defended 1-on-1 anymore.
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You're dead wrong.:oldlol:
Kobe primarily shoots his midrange jumpers out of the post now and they're almost always contested fadeaways with a defender draped all over him. Lebron still gets his jumpshots from the triple threat position with a defender a couple of feet off him. What a joke.
You guys realize Indian Guy is just trolling? You guys lost for even debating with this kid.
[QUOTE=tpols]Lebron still gets his jumpshots from the triple threat position with a defender a couple of feet off him.[/QUOTE]
You're still stuck in 2007. Find me these clips of defenders backing off LeBron and gladly giving him the jumper. Go ahead.
[QUOTE=Indian guy]In terms of space allowed for shooting jumpers, no, there is no difference in how they're defended 1-on-1 anymore.
Uhh, didn't I say Kobe's better from 10-15 feet? Just like LeBron's better outside of 16 feet.[/quote]
Bullsh*t. There's much more air space for LeBron because of his ability to take it to the basket (of course he's regressed from seasons past, you of all people should know, but Kobe doesn't even have that luxury now-adays). If you watched him on a consistent-basis this past year, you'd know he was strictly a jumpshooter. Please grab a clue.
[quote]What happens between those 10-15 feet makes up for a far smaller aspect of Kobe and LeBron's game than what happens outside of 16 feet. Just look at the HUGE difference in shot attempts! LeBron's biggest edge as a jump shooter over Kobe is from the area Kobe RELIES most on in order to score.[/quote]
Then you factor in FT shooting and 3PT shooting. Since the disparity in FT %'s larger, Kobe wins by at least 7% (could be 6% -- I already forgot the percentages).
Do I believe Kobe's all-around shooting (this season) is clearly better than LeBron's? Absolutely. Did I over-exaggerate by saying Kobe's jumper was on another level than LeBron's? Yes. If we are talking about this season, you're right, I shouldn't have overstated.
[QUOTE=Indian guy]You're still stuck in 2007. Find me these clips of defenders backing off LeBron and gladly giving him the jumper. Go ahead.[/QUOTE]
When did I say defenders 'gladly give' him a jumper? I said they stay about 2 feet off of him when he has the ball in the triple threat.. It is by no means an open jumper, but it is more space than what Kobe gets. Kobe this past season didn't have the athleticism to get much separation off of his man.. the large majority of midrange shots he took came out of the post and they were fadeaways because he had a man right up against him. Lebron NEVER has to take fade aways because his man is always a foot or two off of him. Jesus Christ man, are you serious with this shit?