ISH All-time Top 25 Guards Project: #2 Kobe Bryant vs Magic Johnson.

[QUOTE=colts19]Kobe is a fine player, but people calling him the greatest laker ever have got to be kidding.

Wilt
Kareem
Magic

are all better than Kobe. Kobe is not now in the discussion as GOAT, the three players listed above all have a case for GOAT.

Like I said Kobe is a fine player, but if you saw Wilt, Kareem and Magic play, I just don't know how you could see Kobe as in their class.[/QUOTE]
:roll: :roll: :roll:

Wilt the greater Laker?:roll: :roll: :roll:

Not in their class?:roll: :roll:

[QUOTE=crosso√er]Actually, it's your fault.
I had trouble just like catch24 did at understanding who exactly you were directing your comments towards. Perhaps being a little more concise at typing, will eliminate this confusion in the future.

If you were not in fact insulting me in the 1st place, then you can ignore my backlashes and accept my apology.

We should start the forwards list next; since we all know how this list will end up (as it should).[/QUOTE]

No problem. Half of this thread (including the previous project) are not visible due to posters being on the ignore list. Only those posters that make my Ignore list are trolls that don't really contribute to the discussion.

That may have led to the imprecise and vague nature of my post. So apologies on the misunderstanding, and I admit that my original post was exceedingly one-sided, "troll-bait" to incite a certain fanbase.

I'm still not sure about starting the forwards list because GOAT isn't back yet.

[QUOTE=Gotterdammerung]No problem. Half of this thread (including the previous project) are not visible due to posters being on the ignore list. Only those posters that make my Ignore list are trolls that don't really contribute to the discussion.

That may have led to the imprecise and vague nature of my post. So apologies on the misunderstanding, and I admit that my original post was exceedingly one-sided, "troll-bait" to incite a certain fanbase.

I'm still not sure about starting the forwards list because GOAT isn't back yet.[/QUOTE]


:lol did n!qqa backpedling....


10 Bias fans on da webz acting like it's serious business....

[QUOTE=ZaaaaaH]Again Haters fail to mention 2010 Boston since they want to make their argument sound much better. :lol

What a loser.:facepalm[/QUOTE]
Because Boston was a very good team. But he didnt face them in every Finals he's been like Magic did the Sixers, Pistons, and Celtics.

You call me a hater? The 24 in my name is for Kobe :facepalm

Magic, very easily.

[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]:lol did n!qqa backpedling....


10 Bias fans on da webz acting like it's serious business....[/QUOTE]

Logoff and save yourself the temper tantrum and broken keyboard..for like..the umpteenth time..You are outclassed any way you turn..next please.

[QUOTE=MasterDurant24]Because Boston was a very good team. But he didnt face them in every Finals he's been like Magic did the Sixers, Pistons, and Celtics.

You call me a hater? The 24 in my name is for Kobe :facepalm[/QUOTE]

That's because the best teams were all in the West for most of Kobe's title runs.


The early 2000s Kings, Spurs and Blazers are just as good if not better than any team Magic faced in the Finals.

[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]That's because the best teams were all in the West for most of Kobe's title runs.


The early 2000s Kings, Spurs and Blazers are just as good if not better than any team Magic faced in the Finals.[/QUOTE]
:roll:

[QUOTE=TrueAristotle]:roll:[/QUOTE]

Off Rtg: 105.0 (13th of 22) ▪ Def Rtg: 101.0 (1st of 22)

Off Rtg: 109.6 (5th of 23) ▪ Def Rtg: 103.9 (7th of 23)

Off Rtg: 108.3 (5th of 23) ▪ Def Rtg: 100.9 (5th of 23)

Off Rtg: 110.9 (6th of 23) ▪ Def Rtg: 104.4 (3rd of 23)

Off Rtg: 112.8 (2nd of 23) ▪ Def Rtg: 106.3 (5th of 23)

Off Rtg: 113.5 (3rd of 23) ▪ Def Rtg: 106.8 (9th of 23)

Off Rtg: 110.5 (6th of 23) ▪ Def Rtg: 105.3 (2nd of 23)

Off Rtg: 110.8 (7th of 25) ▪ Def Rtg: 104.7 (3rd of 25)

Off Rtg: 114.6 (1st of 27) ▪ Def Rtg: 105.2 (7th of 27)


vs

02 Kings

Off Rtg: 109.0 (3rd of 29) ▪ Def Rtg: 101.1 (6th of 29)

00 Blazers

Off Rtg: 107.9 (3rd of 29) ▪ Def Rtg: 100.8 (5th of 29)

01 Spurs

Off Rtg: 106.6 (6th of 29) ▪ Def Rtg: 98.0 (1st of 29)

:confusedshrug:

Blaze after Jordan stomps Magic in the final can we do top big men?

[B]Magic[/B] wins this easily IMO. Sure it's closer than some would think but Magic was SUCH an amazing player. I'm not sure anyone outside of Jordan, Bird and Shaq have had so much impact on a game. The man was incredible. I honestly believe if Magic didn't have to retire early and played till around 40... he would be considered the GOAT, not Jordan.

this is close but ill give the edge to magic... i feel that his imprint on the game goes a little farther then kobes and he was a better all around player... its pretty clear that magic is taking this with the votes by the ppl who have a say in this... although its entertaining to see all the kobe fanatics rage about how their boy should make it past magic by a landslide :lol

Kobe plays far tougher defenses than what Magic saw:

[url]http://www.backpicks.com/2011/06/29/who-played-the-hardest-defenses-adjusting-playoff-stats-by-competition-part-i/[/url]

[QUOTE] Kobe Bryant had the largest increase in playoff defensive quality by raw change, facing defenses 3.2 points stingier than what he saw in the regular season. Only Shaquille O’Neal faced teams that allowed fewer points per 100 (101.9) in the playoffs.

Coincidentally, another Laker had it the easiest. Magic Johnson might not have noticed when the playoffs began, because his typical postseason opponent during his 10-year run was right around league average. [B]In 27 playoff series against the West, Magic faced 16 below average defenses. 15 of his 22 conference opponents (68%) in the 1980s were below average in DRtg.[/B][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jacks3]In 27 playoff series against the West, Magic faced 16 below average defenses. 15 of his 22 conference opponents (68%) in the 1980s were below average in DRtg.[/quote]

How many [I]below average teams in DRTG [/I]did Bryant play?

[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]Magic, very easily.



Logoff and save yourself the temper tantrum and broken keyboard..for like..the umpteenth time..You are outclassed any way you turn..next please.[/QUOTE]


Yeah "outclassed"...by who?....Haters complaining about all defensive teams and Kobe copying Jordan?....:lol

come on son!...pretty much all the Laker Greats said Kobe is the best Laker of alltime..


I'm just agreeing....apply yourself.









next

[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]Yeah "outclassed"...by who?....Haters complaining about all defensive teams and Kobe copying Jordan?....:lol

come on son!...pretty much all the Laker Greats said Kobe is the best Laker of alltime..

apply yourself[/quote]

One of the Laker greats also said he could average 50ppg in the modern era. Of course, in your world, you pick and choose what you take as face value.

Apply myself? Like you do when discussing Kobe every other post? We are talking their careers dumbass. Take the c*ck flavored lollipop's out of your mouth..or should I say stop deep throating those pops. All this laughing..yet you cannot explain the dominance then and not since..why is that? Sup man? Your balls stuck on "not descending?" I love watching people laugh like you then get dropped like a sack of potatoes. I watched Big foot Silva talk shit then get dropped..kinda reminds me of you..all talk..then poof.."boom goes the dynamite" slapped wolf is out for the count.

Next, please.

[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]That's because the best teams were all in the West for most of Kobe's title runs.


The early 2000s Kings, Spurs and Blazers are just as good if not better than any team Magic faced in the Finals.[/QUOTE]
Good point, but none of those teams are as good as those teams Magic faced in the Finals. The 83 Sixers, the 86 Celtics, and the Bad Boy Pistons are widely considered to be some of the greatest teams of all time. Plus in the West back then, Magic also went through the Rockets(if it weren't for drugs, they would of been contenders for years), who was a very good team.