Oh. Some new statistics. Thanks Jacks3!
Just curious.. how many shots did Kobe take to get those? Did the Lakers win those games?
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Oh. Some new statistics. Thanks Jacks3!
Just curious.. how many shots did Kobe take to get those? Did the Lakers win those games?
[QUOTE=FF1] He's way better at getting points![/QUOTE]
True.
[QUOTE=catch24]lol
Dirk has played with several contenders..and multiple all-stars too. Finley, Nash? That's not a prime Shaq, but those guys were pretty fukkin solid. 7 Finals trips, multiple semi and conference finals, 4,000+ more minutes on his belt...of course Kobe has a lower PPG output. Dirk's numbers will likely go down before he retires as well.
From the field, as you said, it was marginal, but Kobe's PPG was sometimes 3-4+ pts higher. Kobe was the better volume scorer at his peak.
imo, Dirk is better now though.[/QUOTE]
LOL....Dirk's teams have not approached Kobe's in terms of strength. Sorry....Kobe has had the clear cut edge in team strength and coaching. Not even remotely debatable. Sad that anyone could think otherwise.
I never said Dirk played with scrubs. I said he didn't play on teams as good as the Lakers....just a fact.
You do know that Kobe and Dirk are pretty much the same age...right?
And we've been over this. Kobe's 10 best years.....he's only 2ppg ahead of Dirk. Thats it. On worse efficiency overall. So basically....all that superior scoring you speak of netted kobe 2 more points per game while he took 2 to 3 more shots to get there. which translates to 4 or 5 more possessions used.
sorry, in no way is kobe in a different league than dirk as a playoff scorer by any standard or measure.
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Pretty sad if that "game" was fun for him. I can only imagine what he's like IRL.
Obviously Kobe has shown that he can be a really incredible scorer. He has also shown that he sometimes shoots way too many shots to get those points. No one considers Jerry Stackhouse to be an elite scorer, even though he showed he can score a ton of points when he has the go-ahead to shoot all day. All I'm saying is that there is more to look at than raw PPG.
[QUOTE=DMAVS41]We took Kobe's 10 best years in the playoffs vs Dirk's 10 best.
And you get roughly Kobe scoring 2 more ppg on worse overall efficiency.
Dirk's offensive rating absolutely blows Kobe's out of the water as well. Dirk has 6 playoff runs over 119. Kobe has 0. Kobe's highest is 117. Dirk's highest is 130 (124 on an extended run)......
Another offensive measure that favors Dirk....shocking.[/QUOTE]
Your comparison is already a failure within the 1st sentence. You already know that. Kobe's top ten playoff seasons are going to include 7 trips to the Finals and the majority of them during the defensive era of basketball. How insane of a player would Kobe have to be to be more efficient than Dirk through 4 playoff series during that era compared to Dirk in one series against the 07 Warriors? You think that's a meaningful comparison?
Peak:
Kobe--35.4 PPG/56% TS
Dork--26.6 PPG/59% TS
2nd-best Peak
Kobe--32 PPG/58% TS
Dork-- 26 PPG/58% TS
30+ PPG seasons
Kobe--3
Dork--[B]0[/B]
28+ PPG seasons
Kobe--6
Dork--[B]0[/B]
40+ point games
Kobe--110
Dork--20 (:oldlol: )
50+ point games
Kobe--25
Dork--2 (:oldlol: )
60+ point games
Kobe--5
Dork--0 :oldlol:
Damn. Dork getting shitted on. :roll:
Best part about this is that Kobe's numbers are going to go down quicker than Dirk's, so even with fans inexplicably forgetting Kobe's first 4 years, Kobe's averages will soon be lower than Dirk's anyway. "hey let's throw out Kobe's old years too, that's not fair that Dirk's game is able to stay consistant for so long!!!"
[QUOTE=FF1]]
Obviously Kobe has shown that he can be a really incredible scorer. He has also shown that he sometimes shoots way too many shots to get those points. No one considers Jerry Stackhouse to be an elite scorer, even though he showed he can score a ton of points when he has the go-ahead to shoot all day. All I'm saying is that there is more to look at than raw PPG.[/QUOTE]
You're a fukking moron comparing Kobe to Stackhouse. Kobe's volume destroys Dork's and you're telling that Dork is comparable because he has a 2-3% TS edge. LMAO @ the weak ass excuses.
[QUOTE=FF1]
Just curious.. how many shots did Kobe take to get those? Did the Lakers win those games?[/QUOTE]
57-58% TS average over his 40+,50+ point games.
Lakers have a 70+% winning percentage.
Ether. :oldlol:
[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]Your comparison is already a failure within the 1st sentence. You already know that. Kobe's top ten playoff seasons are going to include 7 trips to the Finals and the majority of them during the defensive era of basketball. How insane of a player would Kobe have to be to be more efficient than Dirk through 4 playoff series during that era compared to Dirk in one series against the 07 Warriors? You think that's a meaningful comparison?[/QUOTE]
What?
I think playing with a top 8 player of all time in Shaq to take the pressure off more than makes up for the difference in defense quality.
So lets get this straight:
1. You want me to remove 4 years of Kobe's career (that equates to 29% by the way)
2. You want me to ignore that Kobe played on the most stacked teams by far of this era.
3. You want me to ignore that Dirk had to carry his teams more than Kobe did and played with worse teammates and far worse coaching.
4. You want me to heavily factor in everything that favors Kobe.
Sound about right?
And the best part is... Kobe will always be the better player with the better career. It's not even close. :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
[QUOTE=FF1]Best part about this is that Kobe's numbers are going to go down quicker than Dirk's, so even with fans inexplicably forgetting Kobe's first 4 years, Kobe's averages will soon be lower than Dirk's anyway. "hey let's throw out Kobe's old years too, that's not fair that Dirk's game is able to stay consistant for so long!!!"[/QUOTE]
LOL
Kobe's numbers are already lower
Dirk beats him in playoff ppg and beats him in every scoring stat there is. fg%, 3pt%, ft%, ts%, offensive rating (by a huge margin), offensive win shares....
Dirk beats him everything. Already.
[QUOTE=Jacks3]And the best part is... Kobe will always be the better player with the better career. It's not even close. :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
And the white flag has been waived. Now its about the better player. Good work Kobe stans. You've lost another battle.
[QUOTE=DMAVS41]We took Kobe's 10 best years in the playoffs vs Dirk's 10 best.
And you get roughly Kobe scoring 2 more ppg on worse overall efficiency.
Dirk's offensive rating absolutely blows Kobe's out of the water as well. Dirk has 6 playoff runs over 119. Kobe has 0. Kobe's highest is 117. Dirk's highest is 130 (124 on an extended run)......
Another offensive measure that favors Dirk....shocking.
Dirk also destroys kobe in offensive win shares overall and peak. Dirk's peak was 3.8 in 06 in 23 games. Kobes was 3.3 in 09 in 23 games.
Another offensive measure that favors Dirk....shocking.[/QUOTE]
According to offensive rating Steve Kerr is the GOAT, so I wouldn't use that for your argument
[QUOTE=Jacks3]Peak:
Kobe--35.4 PPG/56% TS
Dork--26.6 PPG/59% TS
2nd-best Peak
Kobe--32 PPG/58% TS
Dork-- 26 PPG/58% TS
30+ PPG seasons
Kobe--3
Dork--[B]0[/B]
28+ PPG seasons
Kobe--6
Dork--[B]0[/B]
40+ point games
Kobe--110
Dork--20 (:oldlol: )
50+ point games
Kobe--25
Dork--2 (:oldlol: )
60+ point games
Kobe--5
Dork--0 :oldlol:
Damn. Dork getting shitted on. :roll:[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that's really losing the battle. :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: