Reggie seems to be one of those guys who history is being less kind to.
Ray was the better player though.
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Reggie seems to be one of those guys who history is being less kind to.
Ray was the better player though.
[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14662224]Reggie seems to be one of those guys who history is being less kind to.
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It's actually completely the opposite.
During his own time, he only made 3 All-NBA 3rd teams and never ranked higher than 13th in MVP voting.
But flash forward a couple of decades, and for some reason he's on the NBA's 75 greatest players team over a guy with 5 All-NBA first teams and 3 DPOY awards.
Apparently reggie miller hasn't won anything in the so-called watered-down era. :confusedshrug:
Ray is probably considered greater, but I would take Reggie against certain defenses and in most playoff series.
Ray Alllen not only he is a 2 nba champion, but also a better franchise player than miller.
I'm 50, and watched most of both of their careers. Reggie was the 2nd best 2 guard all through the 90's IMO, and a cold blodded Mofo.
Ray's career was better, and up until the last couple of years listening to Reggie SLURP on Lebron every 5 seconds, I respected Reggie more.
Let's not forget Ray-Ray really stinking up the joint in the 2010 finals. Dude couldn't hit a shot to save his life. But his 2013 series winner made people forget.
Remember: without a single basket made by Ray, Lebron is 2/9 in the finals (most of us old heads don't count the bubble scrimmage - no travel, no fans etc.)
[QUOTE=Shaquille O'Neal;14876219]I'm 50, and watched most of both of their careers. Reggie was the 2nd best 2 guard all through the 90's IMO, and a cold blodded Mofo.
Ray's career was better, and up until the last couple of years listening to Reggie SLURP on Lebron every 5 seconds, I respected Reggie more.
Let's not forget Ray-Ray really stinking up the joint in the 2010 finals. Dude couldn't hit a shot to save his life. But his 2013 series winner made people forget.
Remember: without a single basket made by Ray, Lebron is 2/9 in the finals (most of us old heads don't count the bubble scrimmage - no travel, no fans etc.)[/QUOTE]
You waste your time posting that stuff
Give me Reggie.
Ray technically had a more complete game but the gap isn't big enough to the point where I can just ignore Reggie's intangibles. It's not like Ray was so good he could lead a championship team by himself.
Reggie could do close to 90% of what Allen could do but he shoots just as well. That in addition to being a total fukking killer. Any great team that Ray was on is probably improved by replacing him with Reggie, especially if there is another star player on the court who can take some attention away from Reggie.
"Miller Time" wasn't just a beer slogan.
It’s tough to say because Ray had the Lebron Advantage, either playing against him (which increases motivation and adrenaline) or playing with him (which naturally elevates and maximizes one’s skill set).
Meanwhile Reggie played in an era where ‘the guy’ might decide to play one year, another year he might not, and the whole decade was watered down by expansion anyway. So it wasnt an environment that brings out a player’s absolute best.
So all things considered I think you have to simply reject the premise that the two of them can be compared. It’s really apples and oranges.
Reggie was better in the playoffs. Not like it's a big advantage of anything but I'd go Reggie without thinking that hard.
[QUOTE=dankok8;14876499]Reggie was better in the playoffs. Not like it's a big advantage of anything but I'd go Reggie without thinking that hard.[/QUOTE]
Ray playoff career high is 51, Reggie is 41.
You would think Reggie high would be against his nemesis NY.
Ray's playoff average is 16.1ppg, Reggie is at 20.6ppg
Reggie's high was against the Bucks, beating Prime Ray Allen in the deciding game to win the series.
[QUOTE=Reggie43;14876884]Ray's playoff average is 16.1ppg, Reggie is at 20.6ppg.[/QUOTE]
This isn't really fair. Ray played a bunch of playoff games when he was out of his prime and/or not his team's #1 option. He averaged 25 ppg in the playoffs before he joined Boston.
[QUOTE=Reggie43;14876884]Ray's playoff average is 16.1ppg, Reggie is at 20.6ppg
Reggie's high was against the Bucks, beating Prime Ray Allen in the deciding game to win the series.[/QUOTE]
The Bucks were the 8th seed. That was actually Ray's first All-Star season and Reggies last.
[QUOTE=Reggie43;14876884]Ray's playoff average is 16.1ppg, Reggie is at 20.6ppg
Reggie's high was against the Bucks, beating Prime Ray Allen in the deciding game to win the series.[/QUOTE]
Thats actually a good measuring stick.
2000 Playoffs
#1Pacers vs #8 Bucks. Pacers win 3 games to 2.
Reggie avg 24/2/2 on 46%fg and 28% 3 point and 87% FT
Ray avg 22/7/3 on 44%fg and 38% 3 point and 90% FT