Building a Franchise: Kyrie Irving or Russell Westbrook

[QUOTE=Legends66NBA7]Bump.

Remembered this thread and how absurd some of the earlier posts were.

Westbrook is now getting Top 5 claim at this point in time (I guess there's nothing THAT out of reach), but he was always better to begin with. PG position is loaded, so maybe 1 day Irving could reach that Top 3 PG potential I made ?

Also, interesting enough, Irving has been rumored to want out of Cleveland, but we'll see what happens.



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Irving - 22
Westbrook - 25 (26 this year) with knee injury history

Easy choice Irving 10/10 days.

every year things could flip back and forth for these players

keep this thread in your thoughts and bump it again next year

[QUOTE=noob cake]Irving - 22
Westbrook - 25 (26 this year) with knee injury history

Easy choice Irving 10/10 days.[/QUOTE]

And you would probably get to the lottery 10/10 days too.

At this point, Irving isn't even better than John Wall. Westbrook is Wall on steroids. I would have taken Stephen Curry over him last year and this year and he has a bunch of injuries too in the past. The injury thing doesn't even bother me that much. It's only been 1 season where it's been effecting Russ. It's not like this guy is Wade.

Even Lillard broke out on a team that wasn't even supposed to be in the playoffs in a deep conference.

[QUOTE=rhowen4]every year things could flip back and forth for these players

keep this thread in your thoughts and bump it again next year[/QUOTE]

Off course it does, but I just find it amusing people think this shit isn't close.

Like Irving (from 2013) is head and shoulders above these guys and would be a Top 3 player by now. Turned out there were quiet the number of PG's and players that were better than him this season, which include Russ despite injuries.

both are ballhogs, i would take Irving for his shooting

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Silk it's pretty clear who you think is better..

So anytime Silk tries to say KD is on the most stacked team in the league with the best point guard.. Just remind him of this. Literally everything you need to ether this clown for the upcoming season is here.

He even said a Lebron/Kyrie duo >> KD/WB

[QUOTE=SilkkTheShocker]Easily. You get the best player in the NBA and the best shooting PG in the NBA not named Curry/Nash. Not to mention Kyrie is an absolute beast in the 4th quarter.[/QUOTE]


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And when you see me saying Lebron has a better player beside him than Durant does & anybody tries to say "you're only saying that to discredit Lebron" just take a look at what I was saying in this thread..

Westbrook is better than Kyrie but in the matchups between the two Kyrie has actually gotten the better of Westbrook from what I recall.

Kyrie especially has been an annoying little shit in close 4th quarter games with OKC. He's pretty clutch.

[QUOTE=russwest0]Westbrook is better than Kyrie but in the matchups between the two Kyrie has actually gotten the better of Westbrook from what I recall.

Kyrie especially has been an annoying little shit in close 4th quarter games with OKC. He's pretty clutch.[/QUOTE]

Kyrie has lit up OKC in general when they've played. He's only gone against them four times in his career so far, but amazingly, the Cavs are 3-1 in those four games.


Here are their respective head-to-head numbers:

[B][U]Kyrie Irving[/U][/B]
23.8 points on 50.0% FG, 56.4% 3PT, 84.3% FT
7.3 assists
4.5 rebounds
2.3 steals
0.3 blocks
2.3 turnovers
Age: 22


[B][U]Russell Westbrook [/U][/B]
24.5 points on 52.8% FG, 50.0% 3PT, 87.5% FT
7.0 assists
3.3 rebounds
2.0 steals
0.0 blocks
3.8 turnovers
Age: 25


Both guys have balled pretty hard against one another, but the most surprising number is Irving's 3-1 record against OKC so far.

I will reserve judgement until the season starts, but probably Kyrie as he's simply a better decision maker (neither are great). I'll go with the chucker who's slightly better at it, is younger, and less injury prone

Westbrook is better than Kyrie and it isnt close. Then again, Kyrie could make a jump. But as of right now? Westbrook is a top 5 player, top 10 at worst. Kyrie needs to hit the gym.

Irving. Westbrook plays out of control way too many times. It's his greatest strength and weakness.

[QUOTE=navy]Westbrook is better than Kyrie and it isnt close. Then again, Kyrie could make a jump. But as of right now? Westbrook is a top 5 player, top 10 at worst. Kyrie needs to hit the gym.[/QUOTE]
Kyrie is pretty f#cking good considering his age. :oldlol:

Pretty sure he has hit the gym... quite a bit.

Goatbrook