Tim Hardaway is a complete disgrace to anyone who has trained long and hard to become a professional broadcaster. That alone made me lose all respect for him.
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Tim Hardaway is a complete disgrace to anyone who has trained long and hard to become a professional broadcaster. That alone made me lose all respect for him.
I really don't get what goes on in the head of people like Tim Hardaway, Mel Gibson, or Kramer, or countless other celebrities who has publically made racist/bigot remarks. Are they too stupid to realize that witin hours, what they said will spread all over the news, and then in a day or so, they will have to publically announce an apology and think of a way to excuse the comments?
I mean, are they athat stupid? They KNOW they're a celebrity, and they KNOW what they're saying is being recorded/on tv/on radio whatever, right?
I really don't get it. It's not like Tim Haradway was overheard saying that to his friends. He said that over the radio. Did the thought "gee, everyone's gonna make a huge deal out of this and i will have to make some fake ass apology in 5 hours" not hit his head?
Do they not think, or are they too stupid to realize if they make any controversial comments, it will make the news?
all this talk about bigots is dumb..
yes, being a bigot is a poor quality to have and Tim Hardaway definitely should have either kept this to himself or worded his sentences properly, but being a whiner is equally bad. and in a culture where freedom of speech, freedom of anything is accepted nearly everywhere I am shocked to find people who do not agree with liberal ideals such as homosexuality, feminism, or even ways of life instantly brand those who are opposed, despite their right to freedom of speech, as bigots and tell them to shut up.
for a group of people who criticize the Republicans and Bush for seeing things in black and white it is funny how if one does not like homosexuals, they are homophobes, how if one does not like feminism, they are sexists, how if one is a conservative, they are stupid. no room for middle ground?
talk about hypocrisy.
and yes you exercise your freedom of speech to criticize, but saying shut up is an act of censorship as you are trying to deny a Constitutional right given to all citizens... not just those on the left.
[QUOTE=clipps]Difference
It's not wrong to be black
It is wrong to be a homosexual. It's accepted in society, but bottomline. Being gay is wrong.[/QUOTE]
I wonder how many of you are ok with two fake lesbos going at it ina club or in a video? Is only male gayness wrong or all gayness? does there have to be penetration?
Wrong based upon....?
There are lots of well documented cases of gay sex in animals species. Some researchers estimate as high as 40% in some species. Are they wrong as well? Did they make a concious decision?
Is it wrong to engage in polygyny or polyandry? Even if its in the bible?
This statement is just as ignorant as me saying that it is wrong to be black or some other category loosely based on biological traits. :no:
If I can be bigoted against someone for being gay and that is publicly accepted, I should also be allowed to be bigoted based on racial classification or any other trait (political persuasion).
Being a christian is wrong, flat out. Against good morals too. WOuld we support this statement as acceptable if it was made against a Muslim player? Religious intolerance?
Being a christian is definitely a choice, but there is soem evidence suggesting that homosexuality is a reslut of both genetics and environment. Not neccesarily conclusive, but little in science is. [URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/17/opinion/17pinker.html?ex=1171688400&en=39239b6beb74c2a1&ei=5070"]http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/17/opinion/17pinker.html?ex=1171688400&en=39239b6beb74c2a1&ei=5070[/URL]
well, when you're an idiot, then you're simply too stupid to figure out the ramifications of making ignorant statements. There is a reason why losers like Tim Hardaway never won anything during their career. You can't count on guys like this for true leadership.
My point is that there are a lot of similarities. 40 years ago (and even now) plenty of people would say that being black is wrong and that black people are below white people. Everyone with half a brain knows thats stupid and false. But that's how it was, and a lot of people suffered because of something that's not their fault at all.
Gay people can hide it. But that's hiding who they are, and why should anyone do that? It's not their fault, its just the way they are, and they can't help it any more than someone can help their skin color.
Oh wait, it's because a mistranslated 2000 year old book thats been switched around and edited countless times to serve different agendas says so.
And PS statements like 'being gay is wrong, being black isn't' really serve to perfectly illustrate your point.
anyway, to add an addendum to my point:
homosexuality is not necessarily something I am against. I mean... I keep my distance. if they don't bother me, I see no reason why I should bother them.
and Tim made a boneheaded remark, but the general response given to him in this thread is rather :banghead:
something along the lines of : "does he have no scruples? going on TV and making these crass remarks which show no civility and should be kept in private?"
instead you get: "he is an idiot. he is an idiot. doesn't knwo what he's talking about. he should shut up."
[QUOTE=VCDrivesAPorscheToWork]all this talk about bigots is dumb..
yes, being a bigot is a poor quality to have and Tim Hardaway definitely should have either kept this to himself or worded his sentences properly, but being a whiner is equally bad. and in a culture where freedom of speech, freedom of anything is accepted nearly everywhere I am shocked to find people who do not agree with liberal ideals such as homosexuality, feminism, or even ways of life instantly brand those who are opposed, despite their right to freedom of speech, as bigots and tell them to shut up.
for a group of people who criticize the Republicans and Bush for seeing things in black and white it is funny how if one does not like homosexuals, they are homophobes, how if one does not like feminism, they are sexists, how if one is a conservative, they are stupid. no room for middle ground?
talk about hypocrisy.
and yes you exercise your freedom of speech to criticize, but saying shut up is an act of censorship as you are trying to deny a Constitutional right given to all citizens... not just those on the left.[/QUOTE]
Believe me bigots have plenty of space in AMerica to air their point of view. Listen to Rush talk about Katrina or anything else for that matter. American Bigotry is alive and well, with its freak flag flying high.
[QUOTE=boozehound]Believe me bigots have plenty of space in AMerica to air their point of view. Listen to Rush talk about Katrina or anything else for that matter. American Bigotry is alive and well, with its freak flag flying high.[/QUOTE]
agreed. I listened to Right Wing talk radio and some of it disgusts me quite frankly.. especially that Max Savage character.
but I still think the best way to restore balance to America is for people on both sides to start acting more civil rather than shout out "IDIOT! FOOLISH! NO NO NO YOU ARE WRONg. LISTEN TO ME."
[QUOTE=VCDrivesAPorscheToWork]agreed. I listened to Right Wing talk radio and some of it disgusts me quite frankly.. especially that Max Savage character.
but I still think the best way to restore balance to America is for people on both sides to start acting more civil rather than shout out "IDIOT! FOOLISH! NO NO NO YOU ARE WRONg. LISTEN TO ME."[/QUOTE]
I can certainly agree with that. Partisan politics are the downfall of any democratic system. Anyone who dismisses a politician or a piece of legislation based upon the party affiliations is a bad citizen in a democratic society. I stnd with George Washington in decrying party based politics as a poor substitute for true democracy. That is why I vote third party whenever they are on the ballot. Doesnt even matter which one (although i have my preferences). A two party system with both parties catering to big business's political needs is no choice at all for individual citizens.
you gotta look at it from an athletes perspective though. ya gotta get naked in front of duke on a daily basis .
that said he shoulda just kept it to himself.. he kept it real as **** though :roll:
hate is a very strong word though.
[QUOTE=boozehound]I can certainly agree with that. Partisan politics are the downfall of any democratic system. Anyone who dismisses a politician or a piece of legislation based upon the party affiliations is a bad citizen in a democratic society. I stnd with George Washington in decrying party based politics as a poor substitute for true democracy. That is why I vote third party whenever they are on the ballot. Doesnt even matter which one (although i have my preferences). A two party system with both parties catering to big business's political needs is no choice at all for individual citizens.[/QUOTE]
fyi despite his statements to the contrary, washington was part of a party by the end of his second term. he started out a non party guy but he was basically lieing through his wooden teeth when he was decrying the party system. basically what he wanted was for his party to be the only party.
Of any groups, I thought black athletes would be the most understanding about how hard it is to be a hated minority group trying to break into the world of sports. But I guess too many generations have passed for any of them to understand the impact.
I can't say I'm not suprised or disappointed.
Man...Timmy.....
People got to accept the fact that there all g@y people and there have been since the dawn of man. I really think there is NOTHING wrong with it.
We live in the freaking 21st century already...GROW UP PEOPLE!!!!
We do live in a society where there is free speach though...and Tim has every right to say what he wants...but being a public figure he has to be smart about what he says.
Oh well...personal opinion aside I still got love for the man who but the "T" in Run TMC.....but I am very disapionted.
Man...Timmy.....
People got to accept the fact that there all g@y people and there have been since the dawn of man. I really think there is NOTHING wrong with it.
We live in the freaking 21st century already...GROW UP PEOPLE!!!!
We do live in a society where there is free speach though...and Tim has every right to say what he wants...but being a public figure he has to be smart about what he says.
Oh well...personal opinion aside I still got love for the man who but the "T" in Run TMC.....but I am very disapionted.