Explain to me why Rose didn't deserve the 2011 MVP

[QUOTE=Heavincent]Put up 25/8/4 and led his team to the best record in the East. How is that not MVP worthy? If not him, then who? It was debatable as to who the best player on the 2011 Heat even was, and they had an inferior record, so you can't give it to Lebron or Wade. Out west, you had Durant or Dirk maybe? I guess those guys had cases, but neither were quite as good in the regular season as Rose was imo.

I just see a lot of revisionist history from people (mainly Lebron homers). They act like it was a controversial MVP award or something, even though Rose was pretty much the consensus MVP by about March or so.[/QUOTE]

lebron cant win them every year.

[QUOTE=Mr Exlax]Take Rose off the Bulls and they look like the could make the playoffs. Take LeBron off Miami and they looked like they could make the playoffs. Take Dwight off Orlando and they make the lottery bro. That's MVP shit. Because his teammates weren't that good so that makes him less valuable? I've never understood why the team record counts so much. If that's the only reason somebody can come up with though that's crazy to me.[/QUOTE]


Unfortunately for you, your brain hasn't worked out that MVP's aren't judged on that criteria.

Rose will prove all the haters wrong. Can't wait.

[QUOTE=eurobum]Rose will prove all the haters wrong. Can't wait.[/QUOTE]
Deron Williams will be more relevant than Derrick Rose this upcoming season.

[QUOTE=Unbiased_one]PER is a crap stat because people use it as an efficiency stat (when it isn't), and parts of its construction make no sense.

OWS is actually a reasonably logical box-score generated measure of total offensive contribution (the negative being that it's from a box-score), but DWS is BS as far as I'm concerned.

RAPM is an adjusted plus minus stat which is for me the best single measure of a player's contribution to his team (there is also something called XRAPM which also factors in box-score contributions but I don't think it's as good for that precise reason).[/QUOTE]

Help me out. Rose's team usually had a blow out with the starting unit on many a night and his plus minus really was really affected by this. If you think there were five players that had a better year than Rose in '11 regular season then you are bordline dementia. Chris Paul??? Really?

[QUOTE=NumberSix]Deron Williams will be more relevant than Derrick Rose this upcoming season.[/QUOTE]


Troll harder, you're slippin'

[QUOTE=NumberSix]This. Replace Rose with Brandon Jennings and the Bulls are just as good.

When you look at guys like Deng, Noah, Asik, Korver, Gibson, Boozer and so on, its almost unbelievable how stacked that roster was with nothing but quality players. Replace Rose and put a CP3 on that roster, that's a chip.


I'm yet to hear a single argument other than team success for rose to deserve MVP.[/QUOTE]
Boozer didn't know the plays in the playoffs and missed a lot of games. Noah played well below his potential in the few games he did play. Korver's shot was garbage after the allstar break. Gibson wasn't bad but he wasn't a starter. Deng was consistent. But unbelievably stacked is a joke... Nobody in the top ten of anything. Nobody had a chance at a second team. Nobody made third team. Asik left and didn't do anything. Gibson is ok.

CP3??? I love his play and he's above good in seemingly every category. But did you look at that Clipper's team? No way does Rose play on that team and they do not have the best record in the league. Same with Westbrook's team last year as well. Their talent, skill and athletism was much much better than the Bulls and their responsibility was waay less than Rose's. The Bulls had little skill and remember Korver's shot went kaput after the allstar break. There wasn't one other creative player on the team. Deng was athletic but that was it. They were not a team of grey hounds. Had severe trouble executing out of a trap which is something they all should have learned ten years prior. Their offensive execution was incredibly basic.

The only fans that don't think Rose didn't deserve the MVP are butthurt Miami fans/Lebron stans. Since when is 25 and 8 and the best record in the league not MVP worthy? Please get Lebron's dick outta your mouths.

[QUOTE=longtime lurker]The only fans that don't think Rose didn't deserve the MVP are butthurt Miami fans/Lebron stans. Since when is 25 and 8 and the best record in the league not MVP worthy? Please get Lebron's dick outta your mouths.[/QUOTE]

Really its crazy. If Lebron had won it that year and then had that massive melt down it would have been the most catastrophic let down in sports.

[QUOTE=longtime lurker]The only fans that don't think Rose didn't deserve the MVP are butthurt Miami fans/Lebron stans. Since when is 25 and 8 and the best record in the league not MVP worthy? Please get Lebron's dick outta your mouths.[/QUOTE]
There are plenty who thought D12 should have won. And he probably should have IMO.

[QUOTE=RRR3]There are plenty who thought D12 should have won. And he probably should have IMO.[/QUOTE]
Rose had no case whatsoever. Melo winning in 2013 would have been less of a fcuk up.

I would've went with Wade (admittedly a huge fan), Dirk, or Dwight instead, but I don't have a problem with Rose winning. I don't think he was a great pick, but he wasn't a bad one either.

TBH I'm going with Wade on the basis of his playoffs too, it's probably Dirk, Dwight, or Rose. LeBron was almost as good as Wade that season (again, playoffs as tiebreaker, so it's not applicable here) so I guess neither could've won.

Both Lebron and Derrick Rose had lets humiliate Dwight Howard days and I think that really affected his getting votes.

I though DH had a case but Lebron killed it. Lebron had some issue with the GM or President, and went into Orlando and gave it to them hard - I forgot the stat line but it was a monster game. It had to be humiliating and the team was busted up as a result. Mid-season the insulted GM said wow, these wimps just let Lebron come into town talk about their boss and not even whisper back at him.

Then with playoff position taking shape Rose comes into town and takes more shots in the paint against Orlando than Dwight takes against them. To boot, DH gets suspended for the next game so Chicago gained two full games on Orlando in one game and took them out of the race for top seed. After March 1st DH lost ground everyday til the end of the season to every other contender - mostly due to his inability to corral his new teammates. His lack of leadership hyped Derrick Rose's most impressive leadership. While I was hyping it back then, its certainly standout among the superstars now and since then.

You can't be MVP when contenders humiliate you, get your team busted up and then you are a non-factor when it matters most. And then show no leadership when other players dis your executives and no leadership when crunch time came either. DH was an impressive player but by no means could he be taken as a key player in the league. Even with his own team he meant very little.

[QUOTE=RRR3]There are plenty who thought D12 should have won. And he probably should have IMO.[/QUOTE]

Yes and most of those people just happen to be Lebron stans or Miami fans. And apparently D12 wasn't in the running that seriously considering he only received 3 first place votes. And his team finished with a 10th place record in the league over all. I don't see how he was more deserving than Rose.

[QUOTE=Pointguard]Both Lebron and Derrick Rose had lets humiliate Dwight Howard days and I think that really affected his getting votes.

I though DH had a case but Lebron killed it. Lebron had some issue with the GM or President, and went into Orlando and gave it to them hard - I forgot the stat line but it was a monster game. It had to be humiliating and the team was busted up as a result. Mid-season the insulted GM said wow, these wimps just let Lebron come into town talk about their boss and not even whisper back at him.

Then with playoff position taking shape Rose comes into town and takes more shots in the paint against Orlando than Dwight takes against them. To boot, DH gets suspended for the next game so Chicago gained two full games on Orlando in one game and took them out of the race for top seed. After March 1st DH lost ground everyday til the end of the season to every other contender - mostly due to his inability to corral his new teammates. His lack of leadership hyped Derrick Rose's most impressive leadership. While I was hyping it back then, its certainly standout among the superstars now and since then.

You can't be MVP when contenders humiliate you, get your team busted up and then you are a non-factor when it matters most. And then show no leadership when other players dis your executives and no leadership when crunch time came either. DH was an impressive player but by no means could he be taken as a key player in the league. Even with his own team he meant very little.[/QUOTE]

This is longest bullshit post I've ever seen