Religion aside, abortion is wrong. All babies deserve a chance to live

[QUOTE=step_back]Abortion when used as a form of contraception I completely disagree with.
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Literally nobody does this. Nobody.

[QUOTE=Quizno]if aborting a fetus/embryo is morally wrong based on the logic of denying life to a potential human being, then how is *********ion not morally wrong as well? if you *********e then those sperm cells are killed, and the sperm is one half of the constitution of an embryo. those are potential lives that you are killing by *********ing. how can you defend the morality of *********ion while attacking abortion?

hell, let's take it a step further. a woman should also have a moral obligation to get pregnant before ovulating because every egg that doesn't get fertilized is a waste of potential life. ladies should be making more of an effort to get pregnant, if anything, because it's morally wrong to deny life to a potential human being[/QUOTE]
Because masturb[COLOR="Black"]a[/COLOR]ting isn't the joining of a woman and man's DNA (conception). This is how I feel about it personally. I'm fine with people trying to prevent conception, whether through condoms, or birth control, or mastur[COLOR="Black"]b[/COLOR]ation, but I pretty much disagree with people trying to erase conception after it's happened.

[QUOTE=Droid101]Literally nobody does this. Nobody.[/QUOTE]
Some would argue the morning after pill does this. You get pregnant or you're body is in the process of it, and you take the bill to abort the cycle of you getting pregnant.

[QUOTE=step_back]I don't believe it should be used as a form of contraception or as a way of dealing with negligence. Even though the child is unborn it's still a living growing person, in my eyes at least.

That being said a lot of abortions could be avoided all together if we had a 21st century approach to sex education and taught kids how to go about having sex safely and responsibly using condoms. We're still on this attitude of preventing it by advising people to wait until they're married. That didn't work for my generation, it didn't work for my parents generation and it certainly won't work for any future generations. You'll never stop people from having sex but you can make sure they don't have to deal with going through an abortion by preventing it in the first place.

I don't think abortions should be illegal because even though 98% of abortions I don't agree with or like, I still think it should be someones right to choose and not that of the government.[/QUOTE]


you can't really believe what you're saying, right? Has sex education ever prevented people from having sex without condoms? like people don't know they can get a girl pregnant without a rubber? Its like extremely naive parent stuff, cmon you HAVE to be more practical than that....they do it because it feels a lot better without one or its spur of the moment heat.

and the thing is you'd have to create a near 100% non accidental pregnancy deterrence, otherwise its a issue that will have to be addressed.

i always laffed during sex ed classes in middle school, nobody took them seriously, in fact everyone would just laff throughout half the class at stuff the teacher was pointing out. its really where adults can be extremely naive and wasteful with money expenditures. if there are stats that support it worked, i would say it came from something else....

[QUOTE=Droid101]Literally nobody does this. Nobody.[/QUOTE]

People most certainly do have unprotected sex and get an abortion if they fall pregnant as a way of treating an unwanted pregnancy.

I'm guessing this is more about the semantics of what I said.

[QUOTE=Godzuki]you can't really believe what you're saying, right? Has sex education ever prevented people from having sex without condoms? like people don't know they can get a girl pregnant without a rubber? Its like extremely naive parent stuff, cmon you HAVE to be more practical than that....they do it because it feels a lot better without one or its spur of the moment heat.

and the thing is you'd have to create a near 100% non accidental pregnancy deterrence, otherwise its a issue that will have to be addressed.

i always laffed during sex ed classes in middle school, nobody took them seriously, in fact everyone would just laff throughout half the class at stuff the teacher was pointing out. its really where adults can be extremely naive and wasteful with money expenditures. if there are stats that support it worked, i would say it came from something else....[/QUOTE]

Why would I not believe what I said?

I just said sex education needs to enter the 21st century because right now it's not working. :facepalm

[QUOTE=step_back]Why would I not believe what I said?

I just said sex education needs to enter the 21st century because right now it's not working. :facepalm[/QUOTE]


so you really believe more education that 'putting a dikk in a vj can make babies' classes in school will stop unwanted pregnancies?

this is where i have major issues with wasted tax money expenditures. I just feel those people who push that are very out of touch older generational people.

I do think giving out free condoms helps but won't solve the issue. nothing will. most people act and think later, especially in the heat of passion.

[QUOTE=step_back]People most certainly do have unprotected sex and get an abortion if they fall pregnant as a way of treating an unwanted pregnancy.

I'm guessing this is more about the semantics of what I said.[/QUOTE]
Technically abortion isn't contraception. The definition of contraception is to deliberately prevent pregnancy. If you abort while pregnant you were already pregnant, therefore you're not preventing pregnancy since it's already occurred.

But I still get what you're saying. People use abortion casually as a anti-birth method.

I hate when people attach the word selfish to those who support abortion.

The way I see it, way too many people have kids for selfish reasons. Whether it's cause they are lonely or feel like they are losing purpose in life, or just depressed. Having a kid and being a parent is an interesting idea. A life that looks up to you and loves you unconditionally. People ignore the reality because they like the idea of having kids.

Why do you think poor people have so many kids? It gives them purpose...something to look forward to in their otherwise shitty lives.

That, to me, is selfish. Making a decision that you are not ready to care for another life is not selfish.

So, If a woman gets raped and gets pregnant, she should deliver the baby because all babies deserve a chance to live?

Its funny that people are so concerned about unborn babies yet they dont give a shit about that baby once it is actually born. For example, the amount of young children that die to preventable waterborne illnesses in third world countries every year absolutely dwarfs the amount of abortions worldwide, yet I have never seen a single post around here talking about how important it is to increase access to clean drinking water in third world countries.

[QUOTE=Meticode]Technically abortion isn't contraception. The definition of contraception is to deliberately prevent pregnancy. If you abort while pregnant you were already pregnant, therefore you're not preventing pregnancy since it's already occurred.

But I still get what you're saying. People use abortion casually as a anti-birth method.[/QUOTE]

That's why I said the semantics of what I said. Yes technically it's not contraception and I didn't use the term correctly, but I was trying to make a point that abortion does have a nonchalant attitude and is used as somewhat of an extension of the morning after pill.

Godzuki I made it perfectly clear in my post that sex education needs to enter the 21st century. Why contraception is used and how it should be implemented. Kids are going to have sex, they should know and feel confident in asking and dealing with it than the current "Wait until you're married" which generally is the convenient answer.

[QUOTE=Nanners]Its funny that people are so concerned about unborn babies yet they dont give a shit about that baby once it is actually born. For example, the amount of young children that die to preventable waterborne illnesses in third world countries every year absolutely dwarfs the amount of abortions worldwide, yet I have never seen a single post around here talking about how important it is to increase access to clean drinking water in third world countries.[/QUOTE]

What's even more funny are the ones who champion adoption as an alternative to abortion but have never at least considered adopting a child as an alternative to having their own.

[QUOTE=Meticode]Some would argue the morning after pill does this. You get pregnant or you're body is in the process of it, and you take the bill to abort the cycle of you getting pregnant.[/QUOTE]
Some would be incorrect. The Morning after pill prevents the egg from implanting on the uterine wall. There is no embryo to abort yet.

[QUOTE=Meticode]Some would argue the morning after pill does this. You get pregnant or you're body is in the process of it, and you take the bill to abort the cycle of you getting pregnant.[/QUOTE]
Mind giving me a link to this.