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[QUOTE=SexSymbol]not even close[/QUOTE]
2012 LeBron was not a better scorer and defender than 1996-1998 MJ?
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[QUOTE=stalkerforlife]Invent a time machine.[/QUOTE]
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Sad but true.
[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater]2012 LeBron was not a better scorer and defender than 1996-1998 MJ?
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Not a chance.
Scoring is obviously leagues beyond, let's expand on defense a little bit.
As MJ was still incredibly athletics and had a top 3 stamina ever, he was still a very good defender. I don't think he was that good in 98, age catched up to him, but LeBron doesn't engage in defense for more than 3-4 minutes a game, and that is very weak for such a physical specimen. Aside from 2011 ECF and 2012 he never really played defense.
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Will neg, troll
Sooo delusional
[QUOTE=SexSymbol]Not a chance.
Scoring is obviously leagues beyond, let's expand on defense a little bit.
As MJ was still incredibly athletics and had a top 3 stamina ever, he was still a very good defender. I don't think he was that good in 98, age catched up to him, but LeBron [B]doesn't engage in defense for more than 3-4 minutes a game[/B], and that is very weak for such a physical specimen. [B]Aside from 2011 ECF and 2012 he never really played defense.[/B][/QUOTE]
Dude... MJ over LBJ now and forever, without a second thought. But you are just flat out wrong. It's not even a debate dude, you're just wrong.
Yup de doo
[QUOTE=Prometheus]Dude... MJ over LBJ now and forever, without a second thought. But you are just flat out wrong. It's not even a debate dude, you're just wrong.[/QUOTE]
I'm not, he seems disengaged on defense the last couple of years. Maybe the age is now catching up to him, maybe he doesn't have the ability, because his stance is usually awful, as defense is not just effort, it's also skill, but he is not a threat defensively for more than half a quarter
Ship sailed a few years ago, but there's still a good chance for top 3-5 all time status. No shame in that whatsoever. No need to compare him to MJ all the time when all that does is unfortunately blur his greatness. Let's just appreciate it.
[QUOTE=SexSymbol]I'm not, he seems disengaged on defense the last couple of years. Maybe the age is now catching up to him, maybe he doesn't have the ability, because his stance is usually awful, as defense is not just effort, it's also skill, but he is not a threat defensively for more than half a quarter[/QUOTE]
It's like you're talking about Kobe.. Dude stopped playing defense after '04 and even before that Phil openly critizised his D, calling it overrated :lol
[QUOTE=Meticode]He had a shell of former Shaq.[/QUOTE]
Old shell of himself but his old ass still got the job done with the stacked '06 Heat team. '10 Cavs were stacked too but he and LeBron couldn't win it all.
[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater]It's like you're talking about Kobe.. Dude stopped playing defense after '04 and even before that Phil openly critizised his D, calling it overrated :lol[/QUOTE]
Kobe was superb defensively in 08, good to great in 09, superb again in 2010 finals, but was a little underwhelming on that side throughout the year, probably mostly because of the knee issues.
Stepped it up again in 2012, but age catched up to him, from 2010 he really just gives his best on defense in spurts or against people he respects, it's understandable, with that mileage it's surprising he still has those spurts in him. Really, a magnificent example of the hardest working athlete in the world
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Hell no, post retirement MJ isn't winning shit in 2012.
2012 LeBron did everything better than 1996-1998 MJ and barely won, getting by with a top 5 game of all time.[/QUOTE]
2012 LeBron was not a better scorer than '96 - '98 Jordan. Everything else? Sure. But LeBron was 25 - 29, MJ was 33 - 35 years old.
Fadeaway MJ playing off the ball would also help maximize Wade, and Bosh as well. Not allowing them to rust up like the tin man due to inactivity in regards to LeBron ball dominance. Jordan would play efficient out of the post.
Your LeStanning ass left off 1993 Jordan though? The guy who put up 41 ppg 6 rpg 5 apg in the Finals to drag inferior talent than his competition to a three peat.
The exact opposite way LeBron didn't elevate his game to compensate for regression in talent around him this past Finals. Hell, even 1996 or 1997 Jordan with the 2011 - 2014 Heat is winning 2 or 3 chips.
I understand leaving '98 Jordan off. Even in a fantastic MVP season for a 35 year old. Wind, legs, age, caught up to him. Still quicker off the dribble, and triple threat than current Bron.
Get off dude's johnson.
I left off 1993 MJ because he slightly regressed... People said he went back to his chucking habits, and he had a poor showing in the ECF, and that same performance in 2012 would in no way result in a win... Reasonable, don't you think?
Okay, so you're telling me, 1996-1998 MJ is a better scorer than ANY LeBron (version) of his career?
[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater]I left off 1993 MJ because he slightly regressed... People said he went back to his chucking habits, and he had a poor showing in the ECF, and that same performance in 2012 would in no way result in a win... Reasonable, don't you think?[/quote]
He played a superior defense than the 2012 Celtics with Riley's '93 Knicks. A superior team period that won 60+ games.
And he still played a great floor game in the ECF considering the circumstances, he didn't shoot well. Bad wrist, great defense. Still put up the necessary volume to carry the Bulls offense. The next series he went completely APE shit.
LeBron shot like shit for the vast majority of the 2012 playoffs. Especially compared to his averages in the regular season. Didn't shoot well in the Finals, either.
There was no significant regression in 1993. You mean to tell me 1993 Jordan on the 2011 - 2014 Heat couldn't win 3 rings? You're a joke.
[quote=ArbirtrayWater]Okay, so you're telling me, 1996-1998 MJ is a better scorer than ANY LeBron (version) of his career?[/QUOTE]
YES