The Last of Us is the best game ever made

[QUOTE=24-Inch_Chrome]Greater and better aren't the exact same thing. It's like comparing the GOAT NBA players to the most skilled; there's definite overlap but it's not absolute.

If I had to create a top 10 GOAT list(no order outside of the #1 spot):

Ocarina of Time
Diablo (though I prefer 2/3 to the original)
Half-Life (preferred the sequel, either could slot in here)
Chrono Trigger
Link to the Past
DOOM (sequel was just as good, if not better)
Super Mario 64
FFVII
Majora's Mask
Super Metroid

Games that would come close and could possibly slot in on a different day: Street Fighter II, Oblivion (ugh), Shadow of the Colossus, possibly Bioshock or the first Halo, Resident Evil 2/4, CS, Civilization, Quake, UT, TF2, WCIII, etc.

If I reworked it to include the top 10 BOAT, majority of what's there would stay but some of the fringe games that I listed might move into a spot.[/QUOTE]

See I don't agree with everything on your list but it's a much more fair list imo. A list like that wouldn't make me go "wtf"

[QUOTE=outbreak]See I don't agree with everything on your list but it's a much more fair list imo. A list like that wouldn't make me go "wtf"[/QUOTE]

I'm definitely forgetting things. There are too many great games out there, I'm looking through my Steam library now and regretting not mentioning certain series/games as being borderline already. :oldlol:

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As far as number of reviews, that's purely a product of the internet age. Newer games will get more reviews than older games because they're newer and will be looked at by more reviewers because the internet. We're going to fault games for the era that they were created in?
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this is essentially how i felt reading through all the posts in here, citing review, on top of review, on top of review.

[QUOTE=Shade8780]Beating out all-time greats like Destiny and Watch Dogs?

Seriously though, Shadow of Mordor and Dragon Age are the best games of 2014.[/QUOTE]

If we're including remasters? Hell no. TLOU and GTA V absolutely shit on everything that came out that year.

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GOAT. :applause:

[QUOTE=24-Inch_Chrome]Greater and better aren't the exact same thing. It's like comparing the GOAT NBA players to the most skilled; there's definite overlap but it's not absolute.

If I had to create a top 10 GOAT list(no order outside of the #1 spot):

Ocarina of Time
Diablo (though I prefer 2/3 to the original)
Half-Life (preferred the sequel, either could slot in here)
Chrono Trigger
Link to the Past
DOOM (sequel was just as good, if not better)
Super Mario 64
FFVII
Majora's Mask
Super Metroid

Games that would come close and could possibly slot in on a different day: Street Fighter II, Oblivion (ugh), Shadow of the Colossus, possibly Bioshock or the first Halo, Resident Evil 2/4, CS, Civilization, Quake, UT, TF2, WCIII, etc.

If I reworked it to include the top 10 BOAT, majority of what's there would stay but some of the fringe games that I listed might move into a spot.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for at least sharing your list.
I think the problem we have is simply difference in preference.
A LOT of these games would never make my list, I do not play RPG's at all honestly. The most time I've spent on an RPG was with Mass Effect 2, Skyrim and Jade Empire.

I think Halo 1, BioShock, all the Zelda's, Half Life 2, Super Mario 64, Chrono Trigger would definitely be games I'd consider as the greatest of all-time.

But there's games like Oblivion and Shadows, or FF I just wouldn't. I don't enjoy them at all, and I've given them my share of time.

The thing I don't understand about your point of view is you have no problem including a game like BioShock yet you have a problem including The Last Of Us? Both have received a lot of praise from the gaming world and both are classics. There are MANY people that consider TLOU the best title during the PS3 generation.

If you receive such praise, I'm pretty sure you're worthy of being in the discussion with the best of the best.

In conclusion, we have completely different taste. I could never stand games like Diablo or Final Fantasy etc. It's also funny how you haven't mentioned a single action-adventure title; which is arguably my favorite genre. Or sandbox games (GTA, RDR) which is also a genre I love.

I also love sport games and you didn't mention NFL 2K series.

So we'll just agree to disagree on this discussion.
I have no problem whatsoever with you putting up Ocarina as the GOAT; it truly is a master-piece, and deserves the praise.

You might have a hard time believing this, but I genuinely enjoyed RDR, U2 and TLOU more. It just fits my preference more.

I like games I can beat in a week or so. Every time I start an RPG game, I get bored and quit. I did play on 3 sports teams in high school and still do baseball, golf and football regularly, which is probably why I could never get involved with an RPG game.

Anyways thanks for sharing your list.
Cheers.

It's the best game I've played.

The singleplayer deserves all the praise it gets and the online multiplayer (Factions) is pretty amazing too.

[QUOTE=T_L_P]It's the best game I've played.

The singleplayer deserves all the praise it gets and the online multiplayer (Factions) is pretty amazing too.[/QUOTE]

It's funny; myself, you, Heavincent and I'm sure a few others on this forum would consider TLOU a candidate for GOAT game.

I know my boy Thorpe loves that game too.
I guess this is a case of preference. I will never understand how people love games like Diablo or Oblivion, because I simply don't enjoy those type of games. But I know millions of gamers do, and I can respect them picking it as GOAT candidate.

I guess this discussion was unnecessary for the simple fact that we'll never agree. To me, TLOU is definitely a GOAT candidate but then there are people who simply don't agree and have a different game (that I don't enjoy) as a candidate.

The problem becomes simple.
We are arguing subjective matters here; I enjoy a game like TLOU because my expectations are simply different than other gamers. They prefer a role-playing game, or a FPS game and that's fine. We'll agree to disagree.

The point that I've been trying to make is that you have to look past personal preferences when it comes to greatness, as odd as that might sound. I've come to ****ing hate Oblivion but I can still acknowledge that it was a great game, even though it wasn't one that I liked. Same thing applies to Street Fighter II (and the rest of the series/fighting genre as a whole, can't stand it anymore). A list of my 10 favourite games would look quite different (and there would probably be at least 5 Zelda titles :oldlol:).

Sports games just haven't had the same kind of impact or drawn the same kind of praise as the other titles that I listed, imo. I'm a fan of baseball games, same thing with NBA 2K, but I was trying to separate favouritism from greatness. The only two sports games that I can think of off of the top of my head that might have a shot would be Tecmo Bowl and Punch Out.

Action-adventure is a fairly broad genre though, several games that I listed could fit into it (even if only partially). Zelda, Resident Evil, Oblivion, Final Fantasy, etc. are all action-adventure games, even if they fit into different sub-genres.

:cheers:

[QUOTE=West-Side]I'm interested in hearing which games qualify for the GOAT discussion?
I mean, [B]to idiots like Shade its the MGS[/B]; despite TLOU receiving more recognition.

Name me 10 games you think are better games.[/QUOTE]
:banghead:

i swear, i've [I]never[/I] come across a more annoying person on the internet. you're so fvcking immature it's incredible.

[QUOTE=24-Inch_Chrome]The point that I've been trying to make is that you have to look past personal preferences when it comes to greatness, as odd as that might sound. I've come to ****ing hate Oblivion but I can still acknowledge that it was a great game, even though it wasn't one that I liked. Same thing applies to Street Fighter II (and the rest of the series/fighting genre as a whole, can't stand it anymore). A list of my 10 favourite games would look quite different (and there would probably be at least 5 Zelda titles :oldlol:).

Sports games just haven't had the same kind of impact or drawn the same kind of praise as the other titles that I listed, imo. I'm a fan of baseball games, same thing with NBA 2K, but I was trying to separate favouritism from greatness. The only two sports games that I can think of off of the top of my head that might have a shot would be Tecmo Bowl and Punch Out.

Action-adventure is a fairly broad genre though, several games that I listed could fit into it (even if only partially). Zelda, Resident Evil, Oblivion, Final Fantasy, etc. are all action-adventure games, even if they fit into different sub-genres.

:cheers:[/QUOTE]

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Well, 13 sources have considered TLOU the best game ever made.
It is by FAR the latest entry into the gaming world as well.
The 2nd entry was Shadow of the Colossus, which was developed in 2005.

I mean you did name BioShock, a game that received 14 similar considerations yet was released 6 years earlier.

Majora's Mask received 16 considerations and was released 13 years earlier.
Half-Life received 17 considerations and was released 15 years earlier.
Doom was released 20 years ago, and only received 4 more considerations.

You have to remember, TLOU was only released 2 years ago and already beat out games like Mega Man 2, Final Fantasy IV, Metroid, Mass Effect 2, Gran Turismo, Chrono Cross, Twilight Princess.

It is a worthy candidate.

[QUOTE]For some strange reason, Resident Evil 4 kept coming up in my head as I advanced through The Last of Us. Both seem like completely different games at first glance. However, the more I thought about it, the more similarities kept popping up. Not necessarily in a gaming sense, but more on a personal level. Resident Evil 4 was released in January of 2005, and completely revolutionized action games. It set the new standard and every great series from God of War to Uncharted has seen some inspiration from it. I didn

[QUOTE=West-Side]Thanks for at least sharing your list.
I think the problem we have is simply difference in preference.
A LOT of these games would never make my list, I do not play RPG's at all honestly. The most time I've spent on an RPG was with Mass Effect 2, Skyrim and Jade Empire.

I think Halo 1, BioShock, all the Zelda's, Half Life 2, Super Mario 64, Chrono Trigger would definitely be games I'd consider as the greatest of all-time.

But there's games like Oblivion and Shadows, or FF I just wouldn't. I don't enjoy them at all, and I've given them my share of time.

The thing I don't understand about your point of view is you have no problem including a game like BioShock yet you have a problem including The Last Of Us? Both have received a lot of praise from the gaming world and both are classics. There are MANY people that consider TLOU the best title during the PS3 generation.

If you receive such praise, I'm pretty sure you're worthy of being in the discussion with the best of the best.

In conclusion, we have completely different taste. I could never stand games like Diablo or Final Fantasy etc. It's also funny how you haven't mentioned a single action-adventure title; which is arguably my favorite genre. Or sandbox games (GTA, RDR) which is also a genre I love.

I also love sport games and you didn't mention NFL 2K series.

So we'll just agree to disagree on this discussion.
I have no problem whatsoever with you putting up Ocarina as the GOAT; it truly is a master-piece, and deserves the praise.

You might have a hard time believing this, but I genuinely enjoyed RDR, U2 and TLOU more. It just fits my preference more.

I like games I can beat in a week or so. Every time I start an RPG game, I get bored and quit. I did play on 3 sports teams in high school and still do baseball, golf and football regularly, which is probably why I could never get involved with an RPG game.

Anyways thanks for sharing your list.
Cheers.[/QUOTE]

Without drawing from metacritic or published reviews can you tell me why YOU think ocarina is a masterpiece?

[QUOTE=West-Side]Thanks for at least sharing your list.
I think the problem we have is simply difference in preference.
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DING DING DING DING!!!

[QUOTE=nightlight]Without drawing from metacritic or published reviews can you tell me why YOU think ocarina is a masterpiece?[/QUOTE]
I've been asking that for weeks.

You're not getting it.

[QUOTE=nightlight]Without drawing from metacritic or published reviews can you tell me why YOU think ocarina is a masterpiece?[/QUOTE]

I think mainly because of the story itself.
I loved the supporting characters and enemies.
But most importantly, the sense of adventure. The maturation that Link must go to succeed was great characterization. Also, the purpose of the adventure makes it extremely intriguing to play.

I am definitely a sucker for a well-written game and Ocarina really achieved that. The music was superb as well. Ultimately, it was the freedom and more importantly interactivity that I felt throughout the quest. I also thought the narrative was well developed.

Ultimately, I seem to really enjoy well written game that connect me to the characters. It is probably one of the longest games I've ever actually beaten.

(Note: I haven't played Ocarina in years though, so my memory is cloudy)