Look at evolution. Every species on the planet is pre-programmed to constantly adapt and improve upon itself.
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Look at evolution. Every species on the planet is pre-programmed to constantly adapt and improve upon itself.
[QUOTE=UK2K]From where I sit...
God is like Santa Claus. That's not really a bad thing.
It serves two purposes:
A) It teaches morals. It makes bad kids be good. 'If you aren't good, you get a lump of coal for Christmas' = 'If you aren't good, you are going to Hell'. It teaches people how to behave, how to help one another. Basically Jesus in the Bible is everything that every being on Earth should strive to be like: caring, loving, helping, forgiving. We all know if Jesus was real today, he'd be taken advantage of 100 times over and probably die alone, homeless in the gutter. Someone like him would be swindled out of all his money. He'd probably be made fun of, maybe even called a demon spawn by some. Turn the other cheek? He'd have the life beaten out of him after he got robbed and carjacked.
B) It gives people hope. Your life sucks? Oh well, you've got heaven. Lost your job, and house, and car, and wife? It's cool, when you go to heaven, none of that will matter? You're fat and ugly? No worries, everyone looks the same in heaven. It's a morale booster. Not to say that everyone who believes in God is poor and needs hope, but it gives people an 'end goal' to strive for, making them be better people.
I don't buy into it. You are what you are. You have one life, and when this life ends, your game is over. Over. One day, you and I and everyone we will ever know will be dead, and that's okay because that's how life works, and the world will go on.
It's just accepting that fact, for many, is difficult.[/QUOTE]
:wtf: :roll:
[QUOTE=Nick Young]Look at evolution. Every species on the planet is pre-programmed to constantly adapt and improve upon itself.[/QUOTE]
that's not how evolution and natural selection work.
[QUOTE=gigantes]that's not how evolution and natural selection work.[/QUOTE]
Essentially it is exactly how evolution and natural selection work. Use your brain and think about what I said. :cheers:
[QUOTE=Dresta] (this might be a language problem, I dunno).
I've read everything Nietzsche ever published btw, most of it more than once, and his argument does not contradict the point I was making in the slightest (it is in fact, one of his major theses). That part you quoted is Nietzsche's argument about established morality in a nutshell.[/QUOTE]
Established morality right, which was perverted by religion, so that sheep mentality among other "virtues" was somehow good in a religious sense.
Our western morality is way older than christianity.
But you are right it could be a language problem, i never read Nietzsche in english.
Hardcore atheists are complete morons btw.
[QUOTE=Nick Young]Essentially it is exactly how evolution and natural selection work. Use your brain and think about what I said. :cheers:[/QUOTE]
haha brains... DELICIOUS BRAINS!
where are the hell are they, anyway...?
[QUOTE=Nick Young]Christianity and Islam are by definition corrupted offshoots of Judaism. Recorded histories of all three religions support my claim.
Judaism, no branch of it, believes in an inescapable eternal hell.
The closest thing to a Jewish version of hell as you call it is Gehinnom. According to Jewish belief, parts of souls that sin go there to purify, but they do not remain there eternally. After burning for a year maximum, that section of the soul goes up to God to rest eternally in peace. Have you never heard of Yom Kippur? What do you think it's about?
It is typical that a follower of a [B]corrupt offshoot of Judaism [/B]fails to properly understand the [B]true and original [/B]concept of hell. It is typical of these offshoot sects that their followers fail to have any nuance or subtlety in their understanding of Gehinnom.[/QUOTE]
History?
True and original concept?
Please don't inject guesses on extremely serious matters.
God sent down Jesus (PBUH) and Muhammad (PBUH) to correct, refresh the ways of the corrupt Children of Israel. Islam, that is submission to the will of Allah, began at the time of Adam and Eve.
The Dharmic religions also have an inferno in the afterlife for the wicked.
[B]Surah 2:90 l: And they say, "Never will the Fire touch us, except for a few days." Say, "Have you taken a covenant with Allah ? For Allah will never break His covenant. Or do you say about Allah that which you do not know?[/B]
[QUOTE=JEFFERSON MONEY]History?
True and original concept?
Please don't inject guesses on extremely serious matters.
[B]
God sent down Jesus (PBUH) and Muhammad (PBUH) to correct, refresh the ways of the corrupt Children of Israel.[/B] Islam, that is submission to the will of Allah, began at the time of Adam and Eve.
The Dharmic religions also have an inferno in the afterlife for the wicked.
Surah 2:90 l: And they say, "Never will the Fire touch us, except for a few days." Say, "Have you taken a covenant with Allah ? For Allah will never break His covenant. Or do you say about Allah that which you do not know?[/QUOTE]
So said the mortal men who wrote the new testament and koran.
[I]offshoot sects of judaism.[/I]
[QUOTE=UK2K]From where I sit...
God is like Santa Claus. That's not really a bad thing.
It serves two purposes:
A) It teaches morals. It makes bad kids be good. 'If you aren't good, you get a lump of coal for Christmas' = 'If you aren't good, you are going to Hell'. It teaches people how to behave, how to help one another. Basically Jesus in the Bible is everything that every being on Earth should strive to be like: caring, loving, helping, forgiving. We all know if Jesus was real today, he'd be taken advantage of 100 times over and probably die alone, homeless in the gutter. Someone like him would be swindled out of all his money. He'd probably be made fun of, maybe even called a demon spawn by some. Turn the other cheek? He'd have the life beaten out of him after he got robbed and carjacked.
B) It gives people hope. Your life sucks? Oh well, you've got heaven. Lost your job, and house, and car, and wife? It's cool, when you go to heaven, none of that will matter? You're fat and ugly? No worries, everyone looks the same in heaven. It's a morale booster. Not to say that everyone who believes in God is poor and needs hope, but it gives people an 'end goal' to strive for, making them be better people.
I don't buy into it. You are what you are. You have one life, and when this life ends, your game is over. Over. One day, you and I and everyone we will ever know will be dead, and that's okay because that's how life works, and the world will go on.
It's just accepting that fact, for many, is difficult.[/QUOTE]
And that is your Fundy Atheist minute.
[i]It's over! Atheists lose![/i]
[QUOTE=JBSptfn]And that is your Fundy Atheist minute.[/QUOTE]
Without the light of faith, things seem that way. And without protection against Satan, people tend to reverse cause and effects. Like religion was concocted, and that lack of belief is natural.
The truth is religion, and God's relationship with Adam, has been there since the very dawn of mankind.
It's only when people actively moved to cities, rebelled against God and engaged in self-worship, let the ego overflow, allowed artificial social conditioning to perturb their natural development, and soaked their brain into conjectural information (i.e. people in those nature documentaries don't actually know what's going on---they put their take on it) that took them away from observing nature and remembering God and where the epidemic of hopeless, dark atheistic though and denial of the afterlife multiplied (it was also always here since the beginning). Again, this was foreseen in all the Scriptures. And unfortunately, it is the predominant way of thinking in much of the World.
A natural understanding of One God, worship, understanding of the life to come, the spiritual unseen worlds, hope; they've all been understood by our ancestors dating several millenia back. It doesn't serve to teach morals or hope. Rather, the right way to conduct things in this world was ALREADY there, the best of human beings were already there, being rewarded for solid morals was already there; it was man to discover, learn, and apply them. Santa Claus and Christianity is only a tidbit reinforcing system of that; yet the Devils tricked you into swapping the orders of things.
Heaven isn't earned for free either, UK2K. That fat and ugly person you talk about has to actually earn it by undergoing trials and tribulations through the face of tremendous adversary. And no, nobody looks the same in Heaven. Your form in the Afterlife is based upon the conduct of your deeds as well.
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EopyLLiNMGo[/url]
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGOIpzDF8iE[/url]
If you don't believe in the Afterlife, you are implicitly stating that every single Prophet, Saint, Scholar, Theologian was a liar. They were the most honest and sincere of people. Now you may not directly think this; but[U][B] there must be an Absolute Truth. [/B][/U]. It's either they are right or you are wrong. Or they are partaking in things that are elevating their spirit in which they see things the way they do.
You speak of Jesus being taken advantage of. Yet, people who are a fraction, a minute fraction of as good as him are being honored everyday. Nelson Mandela, Malala Yousafzai etc. You're an incredibly nice guy, UK2K, and let me put it his way; when even a cruel human being takes advantage of another; it PAINS that cruel human being's heart big time. There's only so much pain a human being is willing to dish out at another human being till they SNAP and come to their senses from the inner conscience already created within their very nature. Jesus, a self-sufficient skilled carpenter who can fast and heal people is not going to go homeless. He would get made fun of, that's for sure; but people who mock others are usually not exactly the role models of society.
[B]By the way I still owe you a rundown of your second post in this thread. Going to get back to that after a few days.[/B]
It makes sense if you put it like this.
Every single year, people witness cold, dead winters rejuvenated into fresh, blossoming springs. From here you understand the ease at which living things are [B]Resurrected[/B]
Every single year, you see an order and balance among the world and universe at large. If all the bees were taken ou, th And you know a lot of good people die at the hands of evil. And in the faith of Islam, there is a Day of Recompense.
We were put on this first World, this World of the Test, to reap fruit for the more Eternal World.
Each person here, through accounting for their bills; realizes that a) they've been given the intelligence to reckon b) they've been given sight to see c) they've learned soundness of judgment on making financial decisions
The Creator must have had knowledge of man's faculties, and had Infinite ability o[B]f Reckoning, of Seeing, of Judging
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Look at the animal kingdom out there, dude. Look at the trees. The oceans. The quarks. Think of the complete and total genius it takes for all these things to exist. Now, is it really impossible for the [B]Intelligence[/B] behind that to recreate a human being?
Everybody here has taken tests and had received report cards; this is a small sign of what's to come after death.
Every single samurai, janissary, Spartan, soldier; in order to fulfill his mission had to believe in something really, really, really Great; and to fight to his very full capacity had to possess both strength, discipline, and intense fear. Yes. Fear. Fear that they'd displease God if they don't give it their all. Look up what George Patton had to say about how he mustered up the courage to charge. To quote, "He saw his ancestors waiting from the other side of Heaven beckoning him forth," [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J977bboa8hg[/url]
Moreover, accepting the fact that it may be difficult. Dude, the Prophet of Islam (PBUH) lost his mom early, lost 3 of his sons, his uncle, his grandpap, his wife and had to do his mission solo against people who would physically assault him. Living in a scorching desert with limited water Like, come on now really, if man can psychologically handle that, he can easily handle non-existence after decrepit old age. This atheistic sentiment is just flat out foolish.
[B]Anywho, there is an aching desire in the spirit of EVERY single human being to want to live forever, and you DO NOT see old people panic when they die. Why is that so?
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Jefferson Money, very well said. :applause:
[QUOTE=warriorfan][i]It's over! Atheists lose![/i][/QUOTE]
Let's be real. Atheists lost this battle before it even began.:lol
[B]There is a reason the atheists of ISH are constantly writing threads about how miserable and depressed they are in real life, and about how empty they feel.[/B]
Their entire lives are one big constant L.
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[QUOTE=JEFFERSON MONEY]And without protection against Satan, people tend to reverse cause and effects. [/QUOTE]
Seek help before its too late :roll:
[QUOTE=Nick Young]So said the mortal men who wrote the new testament and koran.
[I]offshoot sects of judaism.[/I][/QUOTE]
The problem with saying that is that an even less intelligent mortal men wrote the old testament. That's why it's poorly written and lacks an iota of logic .