Where would you put LeBron James on the all time list? Honest answers, please.

He's somewhere in the 50-100 range, closer to 100. Multiple Finals defeats in devastating fashion and the fact he never won a ring as the best player are reasons he isn't any higher.

[QUOTE=masonanddixon]He's somewhere in the 50-100 range, closer to 100. Multiple Finals defeats in devastating fashion and the fact he never won a ring as the best player are reasons he isn't any higher.[/QUOTE]
Congrats tbh. This comment was so stupid and toxic that it ended the thread.

[QUOTE=Akeem34TheDream]Congrats tbh. This comment was so stupid and toxic that it ended the thread.[/QUOTE]

Until now. :)

[QUOTE=sdot_thadon]In order to buy a borderline top 10 or not top 15 type of ranking I'd really have to see your top 10 and discuss it with you to see if you stay consistent throughout. Most "lists" get too cute with criteria and end up stepping on their own feet. For the record i can't fathom Lebron being simply borderline top 10.[/QUOTE]

MJ, Magic, Bird, Kareem, Wilt, Russell, Shaq, Olajuwon, Duncan are the guys I'd take over LeBron without thinking about it at all.

Guys like Oscar, Kobe, David Robinson, Isiah Thomas, Jerry West are all in the same vicinity. I don't put much stock in today's stats because the league is soft. I believe if you give these guys the green light to switch franchises as they see fit, a front office willing to move any and everybody by the trading deadline if these guys aren't happy, a super soft conference to dominate every year and a teflon coating that deflects any blame for anything, these guys would be just or more successful as LeBron has been in their own way.

I don't know where guys like Elgin Baylor, Bob Petite stand. I don't know much about them but they can't be too far behind.

Guys like Wade, Durant, Curry, Kawhi Leonard, Drexler, Dirk, Garnett, Barkley, Pippen, Moses Malone aren't that far behind, if at all.

They can't out-Lebron James Lebron James. They may not lead their team in every category (which has some negative consequences that are rarely spoken about) but I think they'd be just as successful if not more so in their own way if given similar circumstances.

Statistically speaking, we have a very nice distribution of votes. Deleting votes in a category doesn't change the average by more than 1.8 Deleting pairs of categories (extremes and then closer to the middle, etc.) doesn't change the average by more than 1.


Which means the results are pretty good in terms of reflecting the average voter.

After 92 votes, 698 points and an average of 7.6

It is reliable.

This forum has somehow gotten worst:oldlol:

Someone please list 10 players with a better career than Lebron, while maintaining consistency and some rationale.

While I personally don

[QUOTE=Bankaii]This forum has somehow gotten worst:oldlol:

Someone please list 10 players with a better career than Lebron, while maintaining consistency and some rationale.

While I personally don

[QUOTE=elementally morale]Some of us already posted what you ask for. Read before you type.

On another note, nothing voids an opinion based voting. Just because you think something is not valid... that's an opinion, too. In this case, yours.

You can change the outcome exactly one way: via voting.[/QUOTE]
You took out 2 categories, both unrealistic, and averaged it out.
You didn

[QUOTE=Bankaii]You took out 2 categories, both unrealistic, and averaged it out.
You didn’t weigh anything, at least not from the skimming I did, nor did you factor in the fact that saying Lebron is top 15 or top 10ish is just as asinine as saying he’s GOAT.

That’s what voids your shitty poll.[/QUOTE]


You are not a science guy, are you? :oldlol:

Most people chose the top 10ish option. You want to take away that option because you don't like it. Well... it doesn't work that way. Most people chose something you don't like... so it's invalid. LOL

Bye.

[QUOTE=Bankaii]You took out 2 categories, both unrealistic, and averaged it out.
You didn’t weigh anything, at least not from the skimming I did, nor did you factor in the fact that saying Lebron is top 15 or top 10ish is just as asinine as saying he’s GOAT.

That’s what voids your shitty poll.[/QUOTE]
What if lebron stayed in Cleveland his whole career and had zero rings right now

He'd have a small statistical edge over guys like Malone or Dirk, but no case otherwise, and he'd be behind bird and Duncan by healthy margin

But even with the team-hopping - the same fate would've happened if ray and kyrie missed those legacy-saving shots instead of making them

And that's without considering all his flaws.. i.e. no clutch for the majority of his career, crushes teammates, non-goat offenses, hard to build around his ball-dominance skillset, etc, etc

So no, it's real easy to put lebron outside the top 15

[QUOTE=elementally morale]You are not a science guy, are you? :oldlol:

Most people chose the top 10ish option. You want to take away that option because you don't like it. Well... it doesn't work that way. Most people chose something you don't like... so it's invalid. LOL

Bye.[/QUOTE]
A science guy?:oldlol: You made a poll that already had unrealistic options. You keep crying about opinions but an opinion with no factual backing whatsoever isn

[QUOTE=Bankaii]A science guy?:oldlol: You made a poll that already had unrealistic options. You keep crying about opinions but an opinion with no factual backing whatsoever isn’t an opinion, it’s bullshit.

I can make a legitimate argue for Lebron being top 3. Do the same for Lebron being top 10ish (9-11) I assume, or better yet, top 15. Go ahead and try to explain 15 guys over Lebron. I’ll wait.[/QUOTE]



See post number 71. I already did it. Others, too. Read before you type.

You don't understand what the word 'opinion' means. You have a problem.

An opinion is an opinion without any backing. You may find it a stupid opinion... that's fine. But still an opinion. It is worth the same as your opinion. 1 vote.

That's how opinion based elections work. More than half of all voters think LeBron is top 10ish or worse. You want to say it is not valid. It is though. According to the majority.

I think below Top 10ish is about as bad as #1. So doing some math here...

To get a representative vote, we need to take all the #1 votes and move them down to the Top 3 category and take everything below Top 10ish and move it up to that category.

There are an adjusted 27 votes for Top 3 (which really means 2 or 3 all time).

27*2.5 = 67.5 points

There are 17 votes for Top 5 (which really means 4 or 5 all time since it isn't top 3).

17*4.5 = 76.5 points

There are an adjusted 50 votes for Top 10ish. Obviously 6-10 count in the top 10, and let's say it extends down to #12 before crossing into the Top 15 category, for an average of 9.

50*9 = 450 points

594 total points divided by 94 voters = 6.31 points (rounded to 6th all time)

This is probably a fair consensus of his rank.

What a worthless, flawed poll. The fact "outside of top 15" is an option is proof enough. Not to mention what sort of numeric ranking do you give for "top 10ish" :lol

Ugh what a waste of time :facepalm

[QUOTE='Toine=MVP]I think below Top 10ish is about as bad as #1. So doing some math here...

To get a representative vote, we need to take all the #1 votes and move them down to the Top 3 category and take everything below Top 10ish and move it up to that category.

There are an adjusted 27 votes for Top 3 (which really means 2 or 3 all time).

27*2.5 = 67.5 points

There are 17 votes for Top 5 (which really means 4 or 5 all time since it isn't top 3).

17*4.5 = 76.5 points

There are an adjusted 50 votes for Top 10ish. Obviously 6-10 count in the top 10, and let's say it extends down to #12 before crossing into the Top 15 category, for an average of 9.

50*9 = 450 points

594 total points divided by 94 voters = 6.31 points (rounded to 6th all time)

This is probably a fair consensus of his rank.[/QUOTE]


Either way you put it it never gets better than 6 and never worse than 9. A said it a few times. I tried all these myself. :)

So the verdict is: top 10, not top 5.