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[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14582744]I'm going to bump this thread again if the Warriors win a title.[/QUOTE]
And I will apologize again... And again... And again
For the rest of my life
I have no problem coming around if the guy is actually the real deal... I have no choice
Otoh, if someone is a fraud, I'll never come around.. :confusedshrug:...
[I]So I do infact come around (Curry), which means that if I don't, the player is a fraud (Lebron)[/I]
[QUOTE=3ba11;14582741].
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This is the worst legitimate thread that OP ever made.
Curry proved me wrong and I submit to his greatness. I [U][B]bow down[/B][/U] to Curry and his fans..
It's unfortunate that I realized Curry is a top 5 all-time AFTER making this thread.. So I feel embarrassed... Ashamed... Humbled
[B]Can you imagine OP making a thread saying that MJ is the most overrated player ever? [U]Curry deserves the same respect[/U][/B].. So I'm........ in shambles.......
I don't feel worthy of being a Curry fan, so again.... shambles.... Curry's goatness has humbled me.. I submit. I apologize. I repent to Curry and his fans..
Only true goat-caliber can make someone submit and repent as I have here to Curry.[/QUOTE]
agreed, Curry certainly had a few peak seasons where he was challenging Jordan as the best Shooting Guard we've ever witnessed.
[QUOTE=GimmeThat;14582775]agreed, Curry certainly had a few peak seasons where he was challenging Jordan as the best Shooting Guard we've ever witnessed.[/QUOTE]
It's funny because I made like 5 posts about Curry before realizing I was wrong about him
For Lebron, it's thousands of posts and counting... yet I never came around because the facts are different - Lebron underachieved the expectation for nearly his entire career, while Curry almost never did
Lebron failed to win the East with homecourt in 09/10, so he formed super-teams that fell from preseason favorite to Finals underdog or loser for 6 straight years (11-16'), and now he's lottery out West without AD to lead the scoring (better brand).
[QUOTE=3ba11;14582794]It's funny because I made like 5 posts about Curry before realizing I was wrong about him
For Lebron, it's thousands of posts and counting... yet I never came around because the facts are different - Lebron underachieved the expectation for nearly his entire career, while Curry almost never did[/QUOTE]
that's the thing about being wrong about someone, they can never underachieve your expectation of them
[QUOTE=GimmeThat;14582796]that's the thing about being wrong about someone, they can never underachieve your expectation of them[/QUOTE]
Lebron has the record for most losses with the talent favorite (preseason favorite), which is direct evidence of weak brand of ball..
Only a weak brand of ball (chemistry, teammate fits, strategy) can cause favored talent to underachieve
Lebron woat brand of big man ball-dominance makes everyone stand in the corner and underachieved the expectation for his entire career.. Specifically, he failed to win the East with homecourt in 09/10, so he formed super-teams that fell from preseason favorite to Finals underdog or loser for 6 straight years (11-16'), and now he's lottery out West without AD to lead the scoring (better brand).
[QUOTE=3ba11;14582799]Lebron has the record for most losses with the talent favorite (preseason favorite), which is direct evidence of weak brand of ball..
Only a weak brand of ball (chemistry, teammate fits, strategy) can cause favored talent to underachieve
Lebron woat brand of big man ball-dominance makes everyone stand in the corner and underachieved the expectation for his entire career.. Specifically, he failed to win the East with homecourt in 09/10, so he formed super-teams that fell from preseason favorite to Finals underdog or loser for 6 straight years (11-16'), and now he's lottery out West without AD to lead the scoring (better brand).[/QUOTE]
the world just isn't going to make sense to you when you don't understand math.
The issue isn't that Curry proved you wrong, which happens with athletes all the time. The issue is you clearly have no idea what you're talking about, and it shows with the responses throughout the thread.
[QUOTE=tpols;14321251]This guy seriously thinks curry just stands and waits for 3s lmao. When he's probably the best off ball route runner of all time and is doubled all game.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=kentatm;14321349]Saying Curry just stands around waiting to shoot 3s is one of the dumbest ****ing things I've ever read here on ISH and I've been here since before it changed to vBulletin.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=tpols;14321493]Dude Curry runs off screens all game long. He's the best assist target of all time... basically the randy moss of basketball. Crack is wack bro. When you say retarded shit like this it makes your valid points look weak.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=NBAGOAT;14321671]i'll say it steph's the best player in the league(apologies to jokic). Obviously you're confirming your previous claim that you havent watched games in years by saying steph just waits for catch and shoots. His 3 pointers went up because strategy changed and he got better too.
Again, someone needs to check your eyes if you think he was the same player in 2012 compared to now. He became a better shooter, guys can go from bad shooters to good shooters, why cant he go from a great one to the GOAT shooter. Just having the stamina to move around so much for 40min a game took a lot of hard work on his end, he has maybe the best endurance in the league.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Koresh;14322012]This dude doesn't watch the modern NBA, only highlights and only cares about scoring. He is too busy jacking off to MJ clips to think clearly. The fact he has been on this forum this damn long is still shocking.[/QUOTE]
And it's not even like you said these things back when he was drafted, or even in 2014 before he ascended to true ATG status, you said this shit less than a year ago :oldlol: After he had already completed the bulk of his prime and peak seasons.
[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14582825]The issue isn't that Curry proved you wrong, which happens with athletes all the time. The issue is you clearly have no idea what you're talking about, and it shows with the responses throughout the thread.
And it's not even like you said these things back when he was drafted, or even in 2014 before he ascended to true ATG status, you said this shit less than a year ago :oldlol: After he had already completed the bulk of his prime and peak seasons.[/QUOTE]
:roll:
[QUOTE=3ba11;14582794]It's funny because I made like 5 posts about Curry before realizing I was wrong about him
For Lebron, it's thousands of posts and counting... yet I never came around because the facts are different - Lebron underachieved the expectation for nearly his entire career, while Curry almost never did
[B]Lebron failed to win the East with homecourt in 09/10, so he formed super-teams that fell from preseason favorite to Finals underdog or loser for 6 straight years (11-16'), and now he's lottery out West without AD to lead the scoring (better brand).[/B][/QUOTE]
if it took you 5 posts to realize you were wrong about Curry, just what brand of ball did he switched from in your world
[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14582825]The issue isn't that Curry proved you wrong, which happens with athletes all the time. The issue is you clearly have no idea what you're talking about, and it shows with the responses throughout the thread.
And it's not even like you said these things back when he was drafted, or even in 2014 before he ascended to true ATG status, you said this shit less than a year ago :oldlol: After he had already completed the bulk of his prime and peak seasons.[/QUOTE]
This thread is correct about Curry if we're talking 1970's basketball..
He wouldn't be nearly as good without the 3-point line... :confusedshrug:
You guys got your panties in a bunch about this obvious fact.. Does this make him overrated historically?? No because 3-pointers are NOW a permanent part of the game.
In today's game with the current rules & format - Curry > Lebron and top 5 all-time.....
And this is proven by him winning more with less and organically (brand of ball), while not being a perennial underachiever of expectation like Lebron
You want to get into a Curry/Lebron debate???... I'll use Curry to destroy Lebron just like MJ destroys him
Knowing how to win (brand of ball) is kind of important - Curry knows how to win and Lebron doesn't.. Lebron is an AAU talent-based winner that never learned good brand of ball (teammate fits, chemistry, strategy, aka ball movement).. Or we can look at team assists and see which skillset yields the best teammate fits and team offenses with the least help
Btw, the gather-step [url=https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kSEKSF9tKoM&t=04m05s]was a travel[/url] in the 70's, so today's players would have to be expert contested shot-makers back then - experts at making ugly shots.. That's a problem for today's players that are accustomed to traveling (gather-stepping) to get by their man for a relatively uncontested shot (compared to the unspaced, physical 70's with no gather-stepping allowed).
[QUOTE=3ba11;14582832]
You want to get into a Curry/Lebron debate???... I'll use Curry to destroy Lebron just like MJ destroys him
[/QUOTE]
based on your mathematics, how big of a difference is it between peak Curry and peak Jordan, and who's better
[QUOTE=GimmeThat;14582834]based on your mathematics, how big of a difference is it between peak Curry and peak Jordan, and who's better[/QUOTE]
If Curry purposefully limited himself to 1 end-of-shot clock three per game (bailout), he would shoot poorly like MJ from three.
Whenever Jordan took more than bailout volume (more than 1.5 attempts), he shot well - this includes 42% on 5 attempts in the 92' Finals or 39% on 4 attempts in the 93' Playoffs, or 38% on 3 attempts in 90' regular season.
Notice how his percentage increases with attempts - for shots that are generally more open like threes, great shooting form will shoot better at higher volume (rhythm).
TLDR: think of MJ was a rich man's Kawhi (does everything better on offense) with all the intangibles that Kawhi lacks (leadership, durability, mentality, better clutch, etc, etc, etc)
[QUOTE=3ba11;14582794][B]It's funny because I made like 5 posts about Curry before realizing I was wrong about him[/B]
For Lebron, it's thousands of posts and counting... yet I never came around because the facts are different - Lebron underachieved the expectation for nearly his entire career, while Curry almost never did
Lebron failed to win the East with homecourt in 09/10, so he formed super-teams that fell from preseason favorite to Finals underdog or loser for 6 straight years (11-16'), and now he's lottery out West without AD to lead the scoring (better brand).[/QUOTE]
Bullshit. You spent the entire 2016 season shitting on him.
:whatever:
This aged like milk.
You should have listened to superior posters with alien-like iq. They were educating you from the beginning.
[QUOTE=3ba11;14582841]If [B]a basketball player[/B] purposefully limited himself to 1 end-of-shot clock three per game (bailout), he would shoot poorly like MJ from three.
Whenever [B]a basketball player[/B] took more than bailout volume (more than 1.5 attempts), he shot well - this includes 42% on 5 attempts in the 92' Finals or 39% on 4 attempts in the 93' Playoffs, or 38% on 3 attempts in 90' regular season.
Notice how his percentage increases with attempts - for shots that are generally more open like threes, great shooting form will shoot better at higher volume (rhythm).
TLDR: think of MJ was [B]a veteran basketball player[/B] (does everything better on offense) with all the intangibles that [B]other basketball players[/B] lacks (leadership, durability, mentality, better clutch, etc, etc, etc)[/QUOTE]
since you literally did not answer my question, I fixed this for you.