Current LeBron is a much better player than Wizards Jordan

[QUOTE=Johnny32;14573151]lmao you know you have no argument individually whatsoever when you're desperately trying to count wins on lottery teams.[/QUOTE]

MJ at 39 is comparable to LeBron at 37. Prior to arthroscopic knee surgery, I think the Wizards were 4th in the conference and one of the better defensive teams in the league. MJ put up 25/6/5/2 on 42% during that time. Offensively it's a no brainer, LeBron is better, but what LeBron isn't excused for is his complete abandonment of defense.

Jordan was drilling his team to play defense that season and if I'm not mistaken, they were like 7th in Opp PPG prior to the surgery. Defense is half of the game and LeBron seemed to not care about that half this year, instead preferring his stat sheet. That obviously had an impact on the team's lethargic defensive play as well.

[QUOTE=Shaquille O'Neal;14573149]At least Michael's Wizards finished #10th place in 2002/2003 at age 39/40, with no all-stars or future HOF teammates. By today's rules they'd be in the play-in. So there's that.[/QUOTE]

2002 and 2003 the Eastern Conference was very weak. Having said that, I do believe it's closer than most Bran stans are willing to admit. I'd say they're about equal, especially when you consider 2001-02 was the peak of the defensive era.

[QUOTE=HoopsNY;14573155]MJ at 39 is comparable to LeBron at 37. Prior to arthroscopic knee surgery, I think the Wizards were 4th in the conference and one of the better defensive teams in the league. MJ put up 25/6/5/2 on 42% during that time. Offensively it's a no brainer, LeBron is better, but what LeBron isn't excused for is his complete abandonment of defense.

Jordan was drilling his team to play defense that season and if I'm not mistaken, they were like 7th in Opp PPG prior to the surgery. Defense is half of the game and LeBron seemed to not care about that half this year, instead preferring his stat sheet. That obviously had an impact on the team's lethargic defensive play as well.[/QUOTE]

nothing you type matters. there is no debate no matter how desperately you window lickers try.

[QUOTE=Johnny32;14573157]nothing you type matters. there is no debate no matter how desperately you window lickers try.[/QUOTE]

I'm sorry your mother is also your sister.

[QUOTE=ClipperRevival;14570038]Yes, it's sad seeing an all time great like Bron just trying to get his.

He even said a few weeks ago, he's having the, "time of his life".

How can you say that when you're losing? Because he's getting his points.[/QUOTE]

To be clear, an ego isn't necessarily a bad thing. Especially if you're a great player. You need the confidence and leadership assuming ability that come along with it. It's a double edged sword. But the way it's negatives manifest for both Lebron and Kobe are different and interesting. And both have been damaging at times.

It's why the superfans of each think the other is selfish and their guy is all about the team. They're still two of the greatest players in history and it needs to be said that this is all just nitpicking.

[B]legoat[/B] - [B]30.3 ppg[/B] on 21.8 fga ([B]62.0% 2pt, 35.9% 3pt, 52.4% fg, 59.0% efg, 61.9% ts[/B]), [B]8.2 rpg, 6.2 apg[/B], 1.3 spg, [B]1.1 bpg[/B]

[B]jordone[/B] - 22.9 ppg on [B]22.1 fga[/B] (42.6% 2pt, 18.9% 3pt, 41.6% fg, 42.0% efg, 46.8% ts), 5.7 rpg, 5.2 apg, [B]1.4 spg[/B], 0.4 bpg
[B]chuckobe[/B] - 17.6 ppg on 16.9 fga (41.0% 2pt, 28.5% 3pt, 35.8% fg, 41.7% efg, 46.9% ts), 3.7 rpg, 2.8 rpg, 0.9 spg, 0.2 bpg

advanced nerd stats.

[B]legoat[/B] - [B]26.2 per, 6.8 obpm, 0.8 dbpm, 7.6 bpm, 5.2 ows, 2.3 dws, 7.5 ws, 5.1 vorp[/B]

[B]jordone[/B] - 20.7 per, 3.2 obpm, -0.1 dbpm, 3.1 bpm, 1.2 ows, 2.1 dws, 3.3 ws, 2.7 vorp
[B]chuckobe[/B] - 14.9 per, 0.9 obpm, -2.4 dbpm, -1.6 bpm, -0.9 ows, 0.5 dws, -0.4 ws, 0.2 vorp

lol mj/kb were so bad. the shooting percentages. negative defenders. kobe horrific in all advanced stats. compare the trash to each other cuz they're not even close to the real goat.

[QUOTE=Johnny32;14573164][B]legoat[/B] - [B]30.3 ppg[/B] on 21.8 fga ([B]62.0% 2pt, 35.9% 3pt, 52.4% fg, 59.0% efg, 61.9% ts[/B]), [B]8.2 rpg, 6.2 apg[/B], 1.3 spg, [B]1.1 bpg[/B]

[B]jordone[/B] - 22.9 ppg on [B]22.1 fga[/B] (42.6% 2pt, 18.9% 3pt, 41.6% fg, 42.0% efg, 46.8% ts), 5.7 rpg, 5.2 apg, [B]1.4 spg[/B], 0.4 bpg
[B]chuckobe[/B] - 17.6 ppg on 16.9 fga (41.0% 2pt, 28.5% 3pt, 35.8% fg, 41.7% efg, 46.9% ts), 3.7 rpg, 2.8 rpg, 0.9 spg, 0.2 bpg

advanced nerd stats.

[B]legoat[/B] - [B]26.2 per, 6.8 obpm, 0.8 dbpm, 7.6 bpm, 5.2 ows, 2.3 dws, 7.5 ws, 5.1 vorp[/B]

[B]jordone[/B] - 20.7 per, 3.2 obpm, -0.1 dbpm, 3.1 bpm, 1.2 ows, 2.1 dws, 3.3 ws, 2.7 vorp
[B]chuckobe[/B] - 14.9 per, 0.9 obpm, -2.4 dbpm, -1.6 bpm, -0.9 ows, 0.5 dws, -0.4 ws, 0.2 vorp

lol mj/kb were so bad. the shooting percentages. negative defenders. kobe horrific in all advanced stats. compare the trash to each other cuz they're not even close to the real goat.[/QUOTE]

Nice try. I already said LeBron is better offensively at his age, but differences should be accounted for based on eras.

For example, the league shot [B]46% [/B]from 2 pt range in 2001-02. This season, the league shot [B]53%[/B]. That's a [B]7% difference[/B]. Does this mean that MJ would have shot 49%? Probably not, but maybe something close to it. Maybe 47%?

Also, if he was averaging 25 PPG prior to the knee sidelining him, in a league that averaged 95 PPG, what's he doing now? The league averages 110+ now. So MJ is putting up maybe 28/8/6/2 on 47-48%? Mind you, most of his shots would be 2PA, which would mean his percentages are still blow the league average for 2PA.

But either way, the combination of his offense and his defense would be just as valuable, if not more, than what LeBron has done this season.

[QUOTE=HoopsNY;14573183]Nice try. I already said LeBron is better offensively at his age, but differences should be accounted for based on eras.

For example, the league shot [B]46% [/B]from 2 pt range in 2001-02. This season, the league shot [B]53%[/B]. That's a [B]7% difference[/B]. Does this mean that MJ would have shot 49%? Probably not, but maybe something close to it. Maybe 47%?

Also, if he was averaging 25 PPG prior to the knee sidelining him, in a league that averaged 95 PPG, what's he doing now? The league averages 110+ now. So MJ is putting up maybe 28/8/6/2 on 47-48%? Mind you, most of his shots would be 2PA, which would mean his percentages are still blow the league average for 2PA.

But either way, the combination of his offense and his defense would be just as valuable, if not more, than what LeBron has done this season.[/QUOTE]

lol i wonder if he's embarrassed by how desperate he feels inside after this post. the best part...he starts it off with "nice try" like i did anything but post every relevant stat for each player.

ignoring the desperate tard math from the window licker it is interesting to think how mj would fare in today's gm. he was a horrific 18% 3pt shooter. he attempted 73% of his field goals on midrange jumpers lol. i'm not sure he even starts. probably comes off the bench in a melo type role without the 3pta.

[QUOTE=Johnny32;14573197]ignoring the desperate tard math from the window licker it is interesting to think how mj would fare in today's gm. he was a horrific 18% 3pt shooter. he attempted 73% of his field goals on midrange jumpers lol. i'm not sure he even starts. probably comes off the bench in a melo type role without the 3pta.[/QUOTE]

Precisely. If MJ is from this era, then he evolves with this era, which means he probably doesn't shoot as low a percentage from 3 point range. But he also didn't take many threes.

If he shot 43% 2PA to the league's 46% 2PA back then, then ____ is to 53% in all likelihood. This doesn't mean he shoots 3% less from 2 point range- meaning 50% - but 47-48% in total between threes and twos isn't unreasonable.

You don't just plant players from different eras into another era without first contextualizing. Not to mention, you gave no consideration for a 3 year absence. He went from 19% from the distance to 29% the next year, and increase of +10. That should tell you something.

[QUOTE=Johnny32;14573157]nothing you type matters. there is no debate no matter how desperately you window lickers try.[/QUOTE]

window licker, window licker, window licker....

[QUOTE=HoopsNY;14573183]Nice try. I already said LeBron is better offensively at his age, but differences should be accounted for based on eras.

For example, the league shot [B]46% [/B]from 2 pt range in 2001-02. This season, the league shot [B]53%[/B]. That's a [B]7% difference[/B]. Does this mean that MJ would have shot 49%? Probably not, but maybe something close to it. Maybe 47%?


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You are 100% correct here in this analysis. Most people don't understand you can't compare percentages from one era to another. The proper way is to compare a player in their season/era with other players from the same era/season because of exactly what you stated above.

[QUOTE=HoopsNY;14573203]Precisely. If MJ is from this era, then he evolves with this era, which means he probably doesn't shoot as low a percentage from 3 point range. But he also didn't take many threes.

If he shot 43% 2PA to the league's 46% 2PA back then, then ____ is to 53% in all likelihood. This doesn't mean he shoots 3% less from 2 point range- meaning 50% - but 47-48% in total between threes and twos isn't unreasonable.

You don't just plant players from different eras into another era without first contextualizing. Not to mention, you gave no consideration for a 3 year absence. He went from 19% from the distance to 29% the next year, and increase of +10. That should tell you something.[/QUOTE]

i don't care to play fantasy land about how his game evolves if born 20 years later. i just know what his game was with a 3pt line his entire career at the ages of 38-40. his floor jordone scoring skills are bench tier in today's nba.

[QUOTE=RogueBorg;14573206]look at me, look at me, look at me....[/QUOTE]

nah.

Let's see how Bron plays at 38-40.