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[QUOTE=RRR3;14971892]Meltdown.[/QUOTE]
Btw, I told you Trump would release those JFK files.
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Bringing up politics in the NBA section to deflect, DESPERATE. Yikes. Fatkic plays no defense.
[QUOTE=RRR3;14971904]Bringing up politics in the NBA section to deflect, DESPERATE. Yikes. Fatkic plays no defense.[/QUOTE]
:oldlol: Lighten up
On a serious note, I just can't take his GOAT case seriously as a center who plays bad defense. Watch him play, he is ****ing lazy and slow on defense. He may be the best offensive player ever apart from Curry, and he's definitely the best offensive center ever, but as a big you really need to play defense to be in the GOAT discussion.
[QUOTE=RRR3;14971908]On a serious note, I just can't take his GOAT case seriously as a center who plays bad defense. Watch him play, he is ****ing lazy and slow on defense. He may be the best offensive player ever apart from Curry, and he's definitely the best offensive center ever, but as a big you really need to play defense to be in the GOAT discussion.[/QUOTE]
I don't think anyone here is calling him the GOAT though. I said arguable top 5 peak, poster after said top 3 peak. Unless someone stated earlier that he was GOAT, haven't really skimmed through this thread.
I think we have to bear in mind the stat explosion, most of the best PER, VORP, BPM seasons are coming in the last few years. Efficiency has skyrocketed because of the lack of defense allowed by Silver, in comparison a guy like LeBron played a huge amount of his prime in a pretty defensively oriented era in comparison. Looking at the insane rate Giannis scores in this era, I can only imagine how much young LeBron would score, because Giannis is in many ways a worse version of peak LeBron (albeit bigger and less perimeter oriented). Genuinely think 09 LeBron is doing something like 34/10/10 on 66 TS% with DPOY defense today.
[QUOTE=RRR3;14971910]I think we have to bear in mind the stat explosion, most of the best PER, VORP, BPM seasons are coming in the last few years. Efficiency has skyrocketed because of the lack of defense allowed by Silver, in comparison a guy like LeBron played a huge amount of his prime in a pretty defensively oriented era in comparison. Looking at the insane rate Giannis scores in this era, I can only imagine how much young LeBron would score, because Giannis is in many ways a worse version of peak LeBron (albeit bigger and less perimeter oriented). Genuinely think 09 LeBron is doing something like 34/10/10 on 66 TS% with DPOY defense today.[/QUOTE]
So now the era argument sticks. Gotchya.
[QUOTE=RRR3;14971910]I think we have to bear in mind the stat explosion, most of the best PER, VORP, BPM seasons are coming in the last few years. Efficiency has skyrocketed because of the lack of defense allowed by Silver, in comparison a guy like LeBron played a huge amount of his prime in a pretty defensively oriented era in comparison. Looking at the insane rate Giannis scores in this era, I can only imagine how much young LeBron would score, because Giannis is in many ways a worse version of peak LeBron (albeit bigger and less perimeter oriented). Genuinely think 09 LeBron is doing something like 34/10/10 on 66 TS% with DPOY defense today.[/QUOTE]
Wouldn’t 09 Lebron’s defense be worse today? By your own admission “Silver no longer allows people to play defense”, so how is 09 Lebron supposed to magically get better on that end?
Can anybody crash a party like RRR3? :lol This guy can bring the vibe down ANYWHERE.
[QUOTE=j3lademaster;14971913]Wouldn’t 09 Lebron’s defense be worse today? By your own admission “Silver no longer allows people to play defense”, so how is 09 Lebron supposed to magically get better on that end?[/QUOTE]
He'd be allowed to get away with less, but relative to league his impact on that end would still be great. Defenses are better than ever today, don't get me wrong, they have to be! But they are very hamstrung by the rules. You still see plenty of great defense but man the space you have to give offensive players is annoying.
[QUOTE=tpols;14971864]And yet everybody ranks Magic as a top 10 GOAT so that doesn't disqualify anything.[/QUOTE]
Easy slay was easy
[QUOTE=HoopsNY;14971912]So now the era argument sticks. Gotchya.[/QUOTE]
Other posters have acknowledged the era difference too. In fact when I made this three over 3 years ago, I made multiple posts noting the era differences that had been forming since 2020, but really since 2017 too. 2017-2019 was sort of a transition phase, 2020 and beyond has been a true explosion of offensive efficiency.
[QUOTE=RRR3;14971908]On a serious note, I just can't take his GOAT case seriously as a center who plays bad defense. Watch him play, he is ****ing lazy and slow on defense. He may be the best offensive player ever apart from Curry, and he's definitely the best offensive center ever, but as a big you really need to play defense to be in the GOAT discussion.[/QUOTE]
He’s not lazy on defense. He has active hands and feet. He tries to do close outs. The Nuggets have taken steps to mitigate his weakness in PnR situations.
There are two things now which lead people to still make this claim. First, he is a terrible rim protector. It’s just not part of his game. Second, but related, he doesn’t often challenge people who are driving the lane because him picking up a foul is worse for the team than letting the guy score. That makes him look lazy, when it’s simply an acknowledgement of what the smarter play is.
So yes, slow in some ways. But he’s not lazy.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14971890]Since when did RRR3 become a Jokic hater? :lol[/QUOTE]
Jokic is a winner, and rrr3 is an enormous loser. It only makes sense.