The 2011-2014 Heat don't seem stacked anymore

[QUOTE=RRR3;14920905]How the hell was Chalmers a ring chaser? The Heat drafted him. Same for Joel Anthony he was signed out of college. Shut up grandma.[/QUOTE]

When 3 (Lebron, Bosh, Ray) of the team's most important players (and I'll give you Wade as he was drafted by the Heat) are franchise players turned ring chasers, it brings the word "collusion" to a whole 'nother level. The only other team even approaching that (during 2000-10) is KG and Ray (and they had seen their better days in the past - not two 26 year olds and a 29 year old) joining Pierce.

Calling Bosh and ESPECIlALLY 38 year old Ray Allen a franchise player is how I know you’re senile.

Chris Bosh absolutely was a franchise player... he was by a huge margin the best player on the Raptors in the mid 2000s. Multiple time All Star, All NBA, Olympic team... everything.

[QUOTE=tpols;14920952]Chris Bosh absolutely was a franchise player... he was by a huge margin the best player on the Raptors in the mid 2000s. Multiple time All Star, All NBA, Olympic team... everything.[/QUOTE]
Pascal Siakam led the Raptors farther than Bosh ever did is he a franchise player?

Siakam did that once in the bubble beating the Nets with Caris Levert and Joe Harris as their leading scorers. And actually Fred Van Vleet was the leading scorer in that series.

Isn't saying much...

Siakam is actually nice but Bosh was a bit more talented. He had like the 3rd best PER in the entire NBA in 2010. Nobody not great has ever done that.

[QUOTE=tpols;14920956]Siakam did that once in the bubble beating the Nets with Caris Levert and Joe Harris as their leading scorers. And actually Fred Van Vleet was the leading scorer in that series.

Isn't saying much...

Siakam is actually nice but Bosh was a bit more talented. He had like the 3rd best PER in the entire NBA in 2010. Nobody not great has ever done that.[/QUOTE]
Hassan Whiteside has two seasons with a better PER than Bosh ever put up and another tying his best. Was he great? :roll:


And maybe Bosh would have got easier first round opponents if he led his team to as many wins as Siakam did :confusedshrug:

Boshs raptors were not even in the same stratosphere as Siakams in terms of help.

Like I showed before, FVV was the leading scorer in Siakams only playoff win which you were using as some type of end all be all proof. Not only that but Ibaka averaged 19/10 on 63% shooting to Siakams 20/8 on 41%.

You just shot yourself totally in the foot. Bosh was much better than Whiteside and a tad bit better than Siakam. That's just what it is.

[QUOTE=tpols;14920961]Boshs raptors were not even in the same stratosphere as Siakams in terms of help.

Like I showed before, FVV was the leading scorer in Siakams only playoff win which you were using as some type of end all be all proof. Not only that but Ibaka averaged 19/10 on 63% shooting to Siakams 20/8 on 41%.

You just shot yourself totally in the foot. Bosh was much better than Whiteside and a tad bit better than Siakam. That's just what it is.[/QUOTE]
Bosh wasn't better than Whiteside according to your own logic (PER) :confusedshrug:

Argue with your previous posts.

[QUOTE=tpols;14920961]Boshs raptors were not even in the same stratosphere as Siakams in terms of help.

Like I showed before, FVV was the leading scorer in Siakams only playoff win which you were using as some type of end all be all proof. Not only that but Ibaka averaged 19/10 on 63% shooting to Siakams 20/8 on 41%.

You just shot yourself totally in the foot. Bosh was much better than Whiteside and a tad bit better than Siakam. That's just what it is.[/QUOTE]

These kids didn’t even watch nba during that time

Bosh was elite but had literally the worst team.

As the bron kids would say “he needed more help”. But in this case Bosh really did :lol

[QUOTE=RRR3;14920935]Calling Bosh and ESPECIlALLY 38 year old Ray Allen a franchise player is how I know you’re senile.[/QUOTE]

Wade, Bosh and Lebron were franchise players.

[QUOTE=rmt;14921000]Wade, Bosh and Lebron were franchise players.[/QUOTE]
Bosh is a franchise player in the same way Lauri Markkanen is. Meaningless distinction at that point.

[QUOTE=warriorfan;14920998]These kids didn’t even watch nba during that time

Bosh was elite but had literally the worst team.

As the bron kids would say “he needed more help”. But in this case Bosh really did :lol[/QUOTE]

Well, in the so-called pathetic East elite Bosh only made the playoffs 2x in 7yrs. His team was the 3 seed in 07 and couldn't even get our of the 1st round.

Very good player, but not close to being elite.

[QUOTE=Hey Yo;14921003]Well, in the so-called pathetic East elite Bosh only made the playoffs 2x in 7yrs. His team was the 3 seed in 07 and couldn't even get our of the 1st round.

Very good player, but not close to being elite.[/QUOTE]
Averaged a deadly 17.5 PPG on 48.7 TS% while getting upset by the 41-41 Nets :lol ELITE!

Bosh wasn't a franchise player, which is no knock on him, there are maybe 10 franchise players in the league at one time, and there's just no way you could look at Bosh's body of work in Toronto and reach the conclusion he was a legitimate franchise player.

Even if you gave him a better supporting cast than he had in Toronto, what would be your realistic expectation of a team with Bosh as it's best player? That's a 2nd round exit at best, maybe they sneak into a conference finals once if all hell breaks loose with injuries.

If you're a franchise player you should be able to lead any team to the playoffs on a regular basis, you should be All-NBA annually, you should top 10 in MVP voting annually, and there should be a realistic scenario where you could lead a contending team to a championship; Chris Bosh checks none of these boxes.

Bosh was not elite but he was probably the best player at third option for much of his time with Wade and James. His problem was that he was forced to play an exclusively complimentary role. Instead of getting a lot of post plays he was spacing the floor which was a waste of talent but James and Wade were the two best players in the league at attacking the basket so he had to get out of the paint. His numbers suffered as a result and bounced back once the stars left.