Re: Better at basketball, Jokić or Kobe?
Does it have to be 20+ per player for 4 guys?
[url]https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201211300LAL.html[/url]
Dwight with 28, Jamison with 33, Meeks with 21, Metta with 10… not 20 apiece but the average among the 4 is well over 20.
You can probably cherry pick games like these for anyone.
Re: Better at basketball, Jokić or Kobe?
[QUOTE=RRR3;15031232]You are cherry picking individual games to claim scrubs like Jalen Pickett can score :oldlol:
He averaged FOUR ppg. And no sorry Kobe has never been tasked with the same responsibilities in terms of playmaking as Jokic is. He was too busy forcing up contested shots. [B]Jokic can win a game with his passing alone[/B]. Kobe couldn’t do that.[/QUOTE]
That series against OKC was winnable. Denver lost because of bad defense and no one being able to close down the stretch.
So clearly Yolk can't elevate the team to victory just with his passing.
Re: Better at basketball, Jokić or Kobe?
[QUOTE=Baller234;15031235]That series against OKC was winnable. Denver lost because of bad defense and no one being able to close down the stretch.
So clearly Yolk can't elevate the team to victory just with his passing.[/QUOTE]
So Kobe never lost winnable series? Plus the Thunder were a ridiculously good team no shame in losing to them
Re: Better at basketball, Jokić or Kobe?
[QUOTE=j3lademaster;15031233]Does it have to be 20+ per player for 4 guys?
[url]https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201211300LAL.html[/url]
Dwight with 28, Jamison with 33, Meeks with 21, Metta with 10… not 20 apiece but the average among the 4 is well over 20.
You can probably cherry pick games like these for anyone.[/QUOTE]
Lmao, how is that the same??
- Three guys going for 20+ and one guy going for 10
- Four guys going for 20+ and one guy going for 18
NOT the same.
Re: Better at basketball, Jokić or Kobe?
[QUOTE=RRR3;15031236]So Kobe never lost winnable series? Plus the Thunder were a ridiculously good team no shame in losing to them[/QUOTE]
If you watched those games, you saw that Denver couldn't score or close down the stretch.
I mean you did watch the games right?
Re: Better at basketball, Jokić or Kobe?
[QUOTE=Baller234;15031239]If you watched those games, you saw that Denver couldn't score or close down the stretch.
I mean you did watch the games right?[/QUOTE]
Yes I watched them, Kobe wouldn’t have beat the Thunder either unless he had shaq.
So your position is that replacing Jokic with a less gifted offensive player in Kobe somehow makes it easier for their offense. Because mamba mentality or something. **** stats they’re Kobe haters.
Re: Better at basketball, Jokić or Kobe?
[QUOTE=Baller234;15031235]That series against OKC was winnable. Denver lost because of bad defense and no one being able to close down the stretch.
So clearly Yolk can't elevate the team to victory just with his passing.[/QUOTE]
Or maybe they lost game 7 because 2 of their starters were playing with injuries they would never play with during the regular season.
MPJ played the whole series with 1 arm. For the series he scored only 7.4 ppg with a 42% TS.
Re: Better at basketball, Jokić or Kobe?
[QUOTE=tontoz;15031243]Or maybe they lost game 7 because 2 of their starters were playing with injuries they would never play with during the regular season.
MPJ played the whole series with 1 arm. For the series he scored only 7.4 ppg with a 42% TS.[/QUOTE]
Don’t you know Jokic had studs like Jalen Pickett? Kobe never had help like that.
Re: Better at basketball, Jokić or Kobe?
It wasnt Jokic fault getting locked up by Caruso, it was the terrible spacing from westbrick mostly.
But what people dont realize is Kobe played in an era where a lot of role players were westbrick level spacing and shooting long range. So Kobe had to deal with that shit spacing [I]his entire career.[/I] Yolk had to do it for 1 game.
You give Kobe 5 point spacing? Its a wrap. Look at SGA. A skinny small effeminate version of Kobe. Puts up prime MJ numbers and even better efficiency in the playoffs last year.
What does that say?
Re: Better at basketball, Jokić or Kobe?
[QUOTE=RRR3;15031241]Yes I watched them, Kobe wouldn’t have beat the Thunder either unless he had shaq.
So your position is that replacing Jokic with a less gifted offensive player in Kobe somehow makes it easier for their offense. Because mamba mentality or something. **** stats they’re Kobe haters.[/QUOTE]
So if Yolk is so gifted, and he has all these great shooters, and he can win purely with his passing... how come they didn't win?
And if Yolk is so unstoppable as a scorer, why wasn't he more agressive in those spots? Why so passive? Why so ineffective?
Re: Better at basketball, Jokić or Kobe?
[QUOTE=tpols;15031246]It wasnt Jokic fault getting locked up by Caruso, it was the terrible spacing from westbrick mostly.
But what people dont realize is Kobe played in an era where a lot of role players were westbrick level spacing and shooting long range. So Kobe had to deal with that shit spacing [I]his entire career.[/I] Yolk had to do it for 1 game.
You give Kobe 5 point spacing? Its a wrap. Look at SGA. A skinny small effeminate version of Kobe. Puts up prime MJ numbers and even better efficiency in the playoffs last year.
What does that say?[/QUOTE]
Kobe was part of the reason the Lakers had bad spacing. His 33% from 3 wasnt bending any defenses.
Re: Better at basketball, Jokić or Kobe?
[QUOTE=Baller234;15031247]So if Yolk is so gifted, and he has all these great shooters, and he can win purely with his passing... how come they didn't win?
And if Yolk is so unstoppable as a scorer, why wasn't he more agressive in those spots? Why so passive? Why so ineffective?[/QUOTE]
Jokic had 18 pts in the 4th quarter of game 1 against OKC in a 2 pt win. I wouldnt call that passive and ineffective.
Re: Better at basketball, Jokić or Kobe?
[QUOTE=Baller234;15031247]So if Yolk is so gifted, and he has all these great shooters, and he can win purely with his passing... how come they didn't win?
And if Yolk is so unstoppable as a scorer, why wasn't he more agressive in those spots? Why so passive? Why so ineffective?[/QUOTE]
Who said he had so many great shooters? His teammates were pretty beat up and it’s not like he has a particularly notable cast for an ATG as is. How come Kobe was so inefficient almost always in the finals if he was so unstoppable?
Re: Better at basketball, Jokić or Kobe?
[QUOTE=RRR3;15031251]Who said he had so many great shooters? His teammates were pretty beat up and it’s not like he has a particularly notable cast for an ATG as is. How come Kobe was so inefficient almost always in the finals if he was so unstoppable?[/QUOTE]
3tard:
"He can win with just his passing!"
Also 3tard:
"His teammates didn't play up to par!"
:oldlol:
Re: Better at basketball, Jokić or Kobe?
[QUOTE=tontoz;15031248]Kobe was part of the reason the Lakers had bad spacing. His 33% from 3 wasnt bending any defenses.[/QUOTE]
Of course it was. Kobe was guarded chest to chest everywhere outside as well. He was the teams designated bailout guy if the shotclock was too low though. So it dinged his % a bit. His raw shooting was heavily respected though. Youre coming off as an autistic or perhaps mentally handicapped in some sort of way to suggest otherwise.