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[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]It is difficult to maintain a level of respect from a team when the supposed leader basically tells him to eat sh!t in front of the world.[/QUOTE]
exactly.
THIS is what made Jordan great. He REALIZED after getting Collins fired, he needed to listen, and become more of a leader. And under Phil he did. They butted heads sometimes, which happens, but he had a trust with Phil, he listened to his advice. And became great.
[QUOTE=Rose]And basically tell everyone he's not signing with anyone else but New York. Which is the polite douchebag way. at least he's being honest and not leading anyone on.[/QUOTE]
No he's not leading anyone on. Everyone has their right to speculate. But Melo has done absolutely nothing wrong. He's been upfront about wanting the keep his options open. He hasn't demanded a trade publicly (a la Kobe). He has the right to sign with the team he wants to play for. WTF is wrong with that? He hasn't forced coaches or other players out (a la Kobe again). He gave the Nuggets 7+ years. They can trade him wherever they want, but he's not obligated to sign an extension with any of those teams. If I tell you I'm trading you to Alaska and I ask you if you'll be willing to sign an extension with them, you have every right to say no. This is his decision and ultimately he has to live with it.
[QUOTE=New York Knicks]No he's not leading anyone on. Everyone has their right to speculate. But Melo has done absolutely nothing wrong. He's been upfront about wanting the keep his options open. He hasn't demanded a trade publicly (a la Kobe). He has the right to sign with the team he wants to play for. WTF is wrong with that? He hasn't forced coaches or other players out (a la Kobe again). He gave the Nuggets 7+ years. They can trade him wherever they want, but he's not obligated to sign an extension with any of those teams. If I tell you I'm trading you to Alaska and I ask you if you'll be willing to sign an extension with them, you have every right to say no. This is his decision and ultimately he has to live with it.[/QUOTE]
Exactly he's NOT leading them on. But his lack of confirming on signing an extension with...Nj, Chicago, Dallas, or any other team pretty much says something. [COLOR="White"]I WANT TO BE A KNICK.[/COLOR]
Ultimately it's his decision but him not signing an extension with anyone else ****s over his franchise.
[QUOTE=YAH trick YAH]All I've read about him not running a play was the one before halftime. That is disrespectful, but that can't be what completely made Sloan quit.[/QUOTE]
For all you know, that was the tip of the iceberg. The last straw.
[QUOTE=gts]quick and dirty
last night big blow up between williams and sloan at half time, carried over to after the game sloan has stepped down along with his long time assistant johnson[/QUOTE]
Damn thats crazy. :eek:
I bet Sloan could kick 99% of this forums ass
[QUOTE=InspiredLebowski]I bet Sloan could kick 99% of this forums ass[/QUOTE]
Wanna start a new internet meme about Sloan?
[QUOTE=GOBB]Damn thats crazy. :eek:[/QUOTE]yeah it is.. this is the kind of thing that happens to coaches in their 3rd year not 23rd
[quote=Rose]Wanna start a new internet meme about Sloan?[/quote]Is it a meme if it's true?
[QUOTE=Rose]Exactly he's NOT leading them on. But his lack of confirming on signing an extension with...Nj, Chicago, Dallas, or any other team pretty much says something. [COLOR="White"]I WANT TO BE A KNICK.[/COLOR]
Ultimately it's his decision but him not signing an extension with anyone else ****s over his franchise.[/QUOTE]
That makes absolutely no sense. He's NOT obligated to sign an extension with any other team. Why would he do that if he doesn't wanna play there? There's a reason it's called Free Agency. After your contract is up, you evaluate your position and you decide where you wanna go from there. It's not like he's mailing in games. He's still going to practice. He's still playing hard. Everything else is up to the front office. His job is to play ball. You really have some kind of slave master mentality.
I have no idea what the hell is going on, but Jerry bring your buddy up here and be our GM or some front office personnel guy if you dont want to coach the Raps.
[QUOTE=InspiredLebowski]I bet Sloan could kick 99% of this forums ass[/QUOTE]
Obviously, since he's bigger than 99% of the people here.
[QUOTE=Rose]Exactly he's NOT leading them on. But his lack of confirming on signing an extension with...Nj, Chicago, Dallas, or any other team pretty much says something. [COLOR="White"]I WANT TO BE A KNICK.[/COLOR]
Ultimately it's his decision but him not signing an extension with anyone else ****s over his franchise.[/QUOTE]
And, it is important to note how new this kind of thing is. Yes, occasionally in the 1980s and 1990s, a big-time player would be traded or leave in free agency, but it was pretty uncommon.... And there was no list of teams that were chosen by these free agents to jump through hoops while the player sat back, twiddled his thumbs and made the season completely about them. It just didn't happen.
What Wade, James, Bosh, Stoudemire and Boozer have ushered in is truly scary. Some could argue that all of this began with the Celtics getting the Big 3, but what is happening in today's NBA is different.
It isn't bad enough that the Superfriends have now joined together, but now you have Melo, CP3 and possibly DWill holding their franchises hostage while they do their little AAU dance.
It disgusts me. All hail Kevin Durant.
[quote=New York Knicks]Obviously, since he's bigger than 99% of the people here.[/quote]Dude, you've seen plenty of NBA fights I'm sure. Most of those dude's can barely throw a punch. Sure if it lands you're screwed but that's it. Sloan probably know jiu jitsu.
[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]And, it is important to note how new this kind of thing is. Yes, occasionally in the 1980s and 1990s, a big-time player would be traded or leave in free agency, but it was pretty uncommon.... And there was no list of teams that were chosen by these free agents to jump through hoops while the player sat back, twiddled his thumbs and made the season completely about them. It just didn't happen.
What Wade, James, Bosh, Stoudemire and Boozer have ushered in is truly scary. Some could argue that all of this began with the Celtics getting the Big 3, but what is happening in today's NBA is different.
It isn't bad enough that the Superfriends have now joined together, but now you have Melo, CP3 and possibly DWill holding their franchises hostage while they do their little AAU dance.
It disgusts me. All hail Kevin Durant.[/QUOTE]
WTF has Amar'e done? He wanted to stay in Phoenix. They didn't wanna pay him. So he left.
Jazz beat writers
Lockedonsports David Locke Kevin O'Connor says that Ric Bucher Sports Center report that Sloan wanted to suspend Deron and got no support "that is a lie" tribjazz
Brian T. Smith Jazz's Sloan said that he had confrontation with Williams at halftime last night, but stressed it was no different than past ones. Lockedonsports
David Locke Kevin O'Connor says the report that Deron came to organization and wouldn't re-sign with Sloan as coach "is a falsehood, is a lie."
[QUOTE=YAH trick YAH]Jazz beat writers
Lockedonsports David Locke Kevin O'Connor says that Ric Bucher Sports Center report that Sloan wanted to suspend Deron and got no support "that is a lie" tribjazz
Brian T. Smith Jazz's Sloan said that he had confrontation with Williams at halftime last night, but stressed it was no different than past ones. Lockedonsports
David Locke Kevin O'Connor says the report that Deron came to organization and wouldn't re-sign with Sloan as coach "is a falsehood, is a lie."[/QUOTE]
Do you want him to throw his own players under the bus? Have some common sense, kid.
[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]And, it is important to note how new this kind of thing is. Yes, occasionally in the 1980s and 1990s, a big-time player would be traded or leave in free agency, but it was pretty uncommon.... And there was no list of teams that were chosen by these free agents to jump through hoops while the player sat back, twiddled his thumbs and made the season completely about them. It just didn't happen.
What Wade, James, Bosh, Stoudemire and Boozer have ushered in is truly scary. Some could argue that all of this began with the Celtics getting the Big 3, but what is happening in today's NBA is different.
It isn't bad enough that the Superfriends have now joined together, but now you have Melo, CP3 and possibly DWill holding their franchises hostage while they do their little AAU dance.
It disgusts me. All hail Kevin Durant.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. But so few people realize that especially younger people. (and I'm 20 and saying that)
[QUOTE=InspiredLebowski]Dude, you've seen plenty of NBA fights I'm sure. Most of those dude's can barely throw a punch. Sure if it lands you're screwed but that's it. Sloan probably know jiu jitsu.[/QUOTE]
Correction: Jerry Sloan invented jiu jitsu
The players aren't to blame for taking advantage of opportunities. Blame the current CBA. If they really wanna reduce the natural advantage of having a team in a big market or players joining up on one team, they should push for a Hard Cap. That's the only way to spread out the talent. Either that or just reduce the number of teams.
damn this was very EMOTIONAL
1320 KFAN (local radio) here is playing an interview with Raja Bell like they usually do on Thursday, it's being played on there now (the interview was a couple hours ago), and while he's not going to throw anyone under the bus, it's pretty clear that there was some turmoil in the locker room between Deron, not that we haven't heard already.
[QUOTE=Rose]Correction: Jerry Sloan invented jiu jitsu[/QUOTE]
who would hit a 70 year old man anyways?
When I first read this I thought WTF. The greatest coach to never win a NBA world title is now retired.
Heck he prob saw his Jazz 6th and Lakers 3rd and saw yet another loss to Phil Jackson in the playoffs lol jk
[QUOTE=Kingsfans818]who would hit a 70 year old man anyways?[/QUOTE]
Thats the problem. More people should. That would cut down on Catholic Priests molesting little boys. :lol
Deron stock just went down to trash
If the story of confrontation between Deron and Sloan is true then Deron must be pure garbage to disrespect hall of fame coach to the point of quitting
hopefully jazz fans boo deron off the court every game or trade him to garbage team
[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]And, it is important to note how new this kind of thing is. Yes, occasionally in the 1980s and 1990s, a big-time player would be traded or leave in free agency, but it was pretty uncommon.... And there was no list of teams that were chosen by these free agents to jump through hoops while the player sat back, twiddled his thumbs and made the season completely about them. It just didn't happen.
What Wade, James, Bosh, Stoudemire and Boozer have ushered in is truly scary. Some could argue that all of this began with the Celtics getting the Big 3, but what is happening in today's NBA is different.
It isn't bad enough that the Superfriends have now joined together, but now you have Melo, CP3 and possibly DWill holding their franchises hostage while they do their little AAU dance.
It disgusts me. All hail Kevin Durant.[/QUOTE]
Amare wanted to stay in Phoenix and gave them a chance to sign him. They would only guarantee 2 years while NY guaranteed all 5. Utah wouldn't sign Boozer unless he took like zero money so he went to Chicago. Melo has not made any demands except that he won't sign an extension this year. Think about it. It's literally the only thing that has come out. Is he morally obligated to up for 5 more years in Denver?
I fail to see the connection between exercising one's free agent rights and acting like a jerkoff to your coach to the point he gets fired like DWill apparently did.
And btw, Paul is playing hard, complaining not at all, and he currently plays for a team that is in limbo because no one wants to buy it. You know, since we are giving him shit for trying to get out. Which he currently is not...
[QUOTE=bih]
hopefully jazz fans boo deron off the court every game or trade him to garbage team[/QUOTE]
This, but that won't happen.
Most Jazz fans probably don't realize Sloan has done so much more for their franchise then Deron ever would have.
BTW, Sloan hasn't changed in 20 years, so i don't doubt he was unwilling to change, but the fact he got pushed out with the flashpoint being an argument he had with his star player is very very sad.
[QUOTE=DRoseOwnsACamry]This, but that won't happen.
Most Jazz fans probably don't realize Sloan has done so much more for their franchise then Deron ever would have.[/QUOTE]
Notsureifserious about the second sentence.
[QUOTE=DeronMillsap]Notsureifserious about the second sentence.[/QUOTE]
23 years and only one losing season.
[QUOTE=DeronMillsap]Notsureifserious about the second sentence.[/QUOTE]
Hmm... What's Deron done for the Jazz?
0 Rings, 0 Finals appearances for that matter, All-Star only twice...
I've watch Sloan basically his whole career.
Not many games per season , but enough to know his character.
6-8 weeks ago I was watching a stretch of games and I noticed something quite profound and stated it on this forum.
Sloan is done.
Why did I know that ?
All great coachs do alot of talking in time outs as well as slow times in games , to make comments to players , correct players and basically keep everyone on the same page.
One game while time running out , the Jazz called a time out for a final shot if I recall.
Sloan did not udder ONE WORD... his assistants and D-Will powwow'ed with the team.
That was the biggest red flag - I knew this was his last season.
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For him to end it before the end of the season , says alot about his character..... once again he put the team ahead of him self. :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
What made him a great defensive player I witnessed , made him have cred with his players.
SAD day ISH.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q6X-1HKfYc[/url]
This is so sad. When I noticed there was a losing streak for Jazz, I notice something went wrong. But I just dont know thing would go that bad.
The league owed Sloan a COY.
Though I am not a fans of Jazz, but Sloan really brought alot to NBA. Thank you, Sloan. :bowdown:
[QUOTE=New York Knicks]23 years and only one losing season.[/QUOTE]
I meant the Jazz fans not knowing part of the sentence.
[QUOTE=DRoseOwnsACamry]Hmm... What's Deron done for the Jazz?
0 Rings, 0 Finals appearances for that matter, All-Star only twice...[/QUOTE]
no need to diss a player / His coach retired , giv it a rest.
Remember D-Will was under Sloans teachings.
[QUOTE=DRoseOwnsACamry]Hmm... What's Deron done for the Jazz?
0 Rings, 0 Finals appearances for that matter, All-Star only twice...[/QUOTE]
He was disagreeing with the fact that you wouldn't think Jazz fans realize what Sloan is to that organization.
[QUOTE=DeronMillsap]I meant the Jazz fans not knowing part of the sentence.[/QUOTE]
...Oh.
Well, it wouldn't surprise me at all if 75% of the Jazz fans thought Deron meant more to the Jazz franchise then Sloan.
[QUOTE=DRoseOwnsACamry]Hmm... What's Deron done for the Jazz?
0 Rings, 0 Finals appearances for that matter, All-Star only twice...[/QUOTE]
I was disagreeing with the Jazz fans not knowing who's more important part.
[QUOTE=Jasper]no need to diss a player / His coach retired , giv it a rest.
Remember D-Will was under Sloans teachings.[/QUOTE]
You didn't hear Jasper? Sloan left because Deron forced him out.:hammerhead: