*****All-Time NBA Players Peak Draft*****

[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;14630513]Match up style while providing 2 year peak stats and a general strategy for each team would be far more accurate.

Listing both of our teams head to head with stats and strategy provided would yield a much closer result than what the poll suggests.[B] I think your team pops the most because they see Jordan as GOAT, Stockton as best passer, Robinson as most athletic center, Allen as best 3 point shooter, Wallace as a stretch 4, and kawhi as a two player and recency bias. [/B]


But it's far more nuanced than that.[/QUOTE]

Maybe, but pairing MJ with a shooter like Ray Allen was the best possible fit, I made up for MJ's lack of 3 point shooting.

Kawhi always goes early in these drafts. He can score at an elite level, shoot the 3, play defense & not ball-dominant. He fits well with anyone, which is why I drafted him.

D-Rob was an elite 2 way center. Probably a top 5 defensive player ever in terms of impact & has an offensive game, he wasn't just "athletic".

I picked Stockton because other than his passing he is a very good defender who can hit the 3.

I value shooting & defense when I make my selections and I had defenders & shooters from every position besides the 5 spot. With MJ, Kawhi, & D-Rob I didn't really worry about drafting scorers anymore. Just drafted players who were either good shooters and/or good defenders, people with versatility (but also all-star level). Stockton was picked because I really needed a playmaker, but also provided me more.

If I had to nitpick one selection of yours it would probably be drafting Chris Mullin. Great shooter yes, but with Bird as your starting SF you were already weak at that position in terms of perimeter defense (Bird was at his best defending PFs) and drafting Mullin did you no favors in addressing that issue.

Final results

1. 1987_Lakers - 16 votes
2. SouBeachTalents - 5 votes
3. Im Still Ballin & Post - 4 votes

[url]https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2207635[/url]

2011

Diana Taurasi can't count the number of times she has answered this question: Could a woman play in the NBA?

She turns to U.S. teammate Sue Bird looking for an estimate. Neither can come up with a number. And then she shakes her head, an indication both of the answer that's coming and her wariness of the topic.

"If you could put me in a machine that could make me 6-foot-5 and as strong as they were, I could play in the NBA," Taurasi said. "When you talk about how physically superior they are. ... I can't help it. [Sue] can't help it. Skill-wise, knowing the game, there's no difference between men and women ... it would be really hard. It's a long shot."

2020

Former Los Angeles Lakers star Kobe Bryant said he believes that there are three WNBA players who could play in the NBA right now.

"I think there are a couple of players who could play in the NBA right now, honestly," Bryant told CNN when asked whether there might be a day when his daughter could play in the same league in which he was a five-time champion and 18-time All-Star selection during his 20 seasons with the Lakers. "There's a lot of players with a lot of skill that could do it.


"Diana Taurasi, Maya Moore, Elena Delle Donne. There's a lot of great players out there, so they could certainly keep up with them."

final results

black mamba has voted

I stand corrected, thread was bumped by a random poster, giving it some more votes and analysis from posters. I waited until the thread went to the 2nd page to post full results.

Final Results

1. 1987_Lakers - 19 votes
2. SouBeach - 8 votes
3. Im Still Ballin - 5 votes
4. post - 4 votes
5. John & Shooter - 3 votes
Tied for last - Wally, AlternativeAcc, & iamgine - 2 votes

[url]https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2207635[/url]

I didn't bother to vote but also...meh Jordan fanboys ruining everything is something we all saw coming.

Your thread on RealGM is skewed because you didn't specify that it was player peaks. In fact, the specification of player peaks probably ruined this entire thing to begin with.

Also, in what ****ing realm of existence does Chauncey Billups start over Gary Payton? What the actual ****...

What would actually be funny is if you re-did this draft but allowed the same player to be drafted multiple times across multiple years.

I pick 2013 LeBron. Next guy picks 2009 LeBron, etc.

pg - 2020 lebron
sg - who cares
sf - 2009 lebron
pf - 2013 lebron
c - 2022 lebron

Whoever team 9 is on real GM gets my vote. That team makes a lot of sense if you switch out Mutombo and put in Rodman and bring Mutombo off the bench in today's NBA.

I really lost to a dude with a WNBA player on his team. :lol

[QUOTE=Shogon;14630989]Your thread on RealGM is skewed because you didn't specify that it was player peaks.[/QUOTE]

"All players are in their peaks". I said it in the OP.

[QUOTE=Shogon;14630989]

Also, in what ****ing realm of existence does Chauncey Billups start over Gary Payton? What the actual ****...
[/QUOTE]

I can kind of see the reasoning, Billups gives you shooting that Payton doesn't, he's also a good defender himself, just not on GP's level.

Starting GP with Duncan & Walton already in the lineup doesn't give you enough spacing.

[QUOTE=John8204;14630981]I didn't bother to vote but also...meh Jordan fanboys ruining everything is something we all saw coming.[/QUOTE]

a lebron jokester gets lebron at 1 and op gets jordan at 2

nothing fishy there

giving the benefit of the doubt a random generator was used but probably no way of verifying that

could've pointed this and other things out from the start but didn't care enough as i only took it half seriously

op seems very committed though to showing everyone he "won" despite making me look like an idiot the way he designed my lineup

[QUOTE=post;14631125]:cry:[/QUOTE]

:oldlol:

You drafted a girl and have the audacity to complain how I set up your lineup. Lmao

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14631035]I can kind of see the reasoning, Billups gives you shooting that Payton doesn't, he's also a good defender himself, just not on GP's level.

Starting GP with Duncan & Walton already in the lineup doesn't give you enough spacing.[/QUOTE]
Lol, this is why you can't draft cohesive teams and expect people to understand. Most people are just too low IQ

Billups won a FMVP averaging 47% from 3 in the series. He's one of the clutchest players ever. He fits better with my starting lineup.

It's not to say in certain matchups I wouldn't put GP in for 20 or 30 mins either. But he wouldn't be starting. GP is actually a scoring sparkplug off the bench... everybody thinks defense but he was a near elite scorer in the late 90s... he's just not a guy who would be spacing the floor as well as Billups.

I am curious to see what ISH thinks though, most aren't viewing this thread and memorizing whose team is whose so you could make a thread.

Your team would still get the most votes I'm sure but I'd like to see what ish thinks.

There's literally zero chance I have the worst team so the credibility of that poll is not there.

[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;14631131]I am curious to see what ISH thinks though, most aren't viewing this thread and memorizing whose team is whose so you could make a thread.

Your team would still get the most votes I'm sure but I'd like to see what ish thinks.

There's literally zero chance I have the worst team so the credibility of that poll is not there.[/QUOTE]

I agree that the realgm poll is not 100% accurate. Post for example finished #4 even though he only drafted 3 perimeter players, one of them being Korver (Not even counting the girl he drafted). It's a sexy lineup from the big spot, but pretty weak everywhere else with little shooting. He even admitted he didn't take the draft seriously.

I thought I had the best team, but your team shouldn't be ranked tied for last.

[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;14631131]I am curious to see what ISH thinks though, most aren't viewing this thread and memorizing whose team is whose so you could make a thread.

Your team would still get the most votes I'm sure but I'd like to see what ish thinks.

There's literally zero chance I have the worst team so the credibility of that poll is not there.[/QUOTE]
Imo post definitely has the worst team, even discounting him clownishly picking a WNBA player :lol

I think it proves recency bias is a thing. They saw modern era and voted for post cause he has all modern players :oldlol:

Wait a second...

LeBron was drafted number 1...

MJ was drafted afterwards by 1987 of all people and his team overwhelmingly won.

:biggums:

Hilarious.

[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;14631128]Lol, this is why you can't draft cohesive teams and expect people to understand. Most people are just too low IQ

Billups won a FMVP averaging 47% from 3 in the series. He's one of the clutchest players ever. He fits better with my starting lineup.

It's not to say in certain matchups I wouldn't put GP in for 20 or 30 mins either. But he wouldn't be starting. GP is actually a scoring sparkplug off the bench... everybody thinks defense but he was a near elite scorer in the late 90s... he's just not a guy who would be spacing the floor as well as Billups.[/QUOTE]


I'm all for experimental thought and mixing up lineups and breaking traditions but at the end of the day, the best player will always start or he will walk.

There is no world in which Billups starts over Payton. The gap isn't close enough. The gap between them as players was SUBSTANTIAL.

How many times in league history has a better player come off the bench? Probably less than one hand?

It might even be the best for the team, but I'm telling you, he's not starting over Payton ever.

Payton absolutely shits on Billups in a massive, massive way. They were not particularly close as players. Chaunce Billups is one of the most overrated players ever and he didn't even deserve his FMVP. Ben and Rasheed were co MVPs of that team. I don't care about offensive stats from that series.

It's funny because I recently mused about Curry coming off the bench and letting Poole start due to egos, but that would never work here.

And besides, you want to get into fits on the court... what about off the court?

Anyone in this whole world think peak Gary Payton is going to be ok coming off the bench for Chauncey ****ing Billups?

L - M - F - A - O.

Clearly never watched GP.

[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;14631131]I am curious to see what ISH thinks though, most aren't viewing this thread and memorizing whose team is whose so you could make a thread.

Your team would still get the most votes I'm sure but I'd like to see what ish thinks.

There's literally zero chance I have the worst team so the credibility of that poll is not there.[/QUOTE]

I would say that all of these teams are good. I think the MJ fans are going to vote for any team that he is on no matter who else is on it. Put MJ on your team in place of Billups and your team wins in a landslide. There is nobody more loyal than a MJ fan. I love your team and think it would be the most fun to watch.

[QUOTE=colts19;14631140]I would say that all of these teams are good. I think the MJ fans are going to vote for any team that he is on no matter who else is on it.[/QUOTE]

Only problem with this is LeBron is more popular than MJ on realgm, and the team he was on only received 3 votes.

[QUOTE=Shogon;14631137]I'm all for experimental thought and mixing up lineups and breaking traditions but at the end of the day, the best player will always start or he will walk.

There is no world in which Billups starts over Payton. The gap isn't close enough. The gap between them as players was SUBSTANTIAL.

How many times in league history has a better player come off the bench? Probably less than one hand?

It might even be the best for the team, but I'm telling you, he's not starting over Payton ever.

Payton absolutely shits on Billups in a massive, massive way. They were not particularly close as players. Chaunce Billups is one of the most overrated players ever and he didn't even deserve his FMVP. Ben and Rasheed were co MVPs of that team. I don't care about offensive stats from that series.

It's funny because I recently mused about Curry coming off the bench and letting Poole start due to egos, but that would never work here.[/QUOTE]

Manu came off the bench and he was one of the best players ever.

Billups overrated? :facepalm. He's criminally underrated and never talked about.

[QUOTE=colts19;14631140]I would say that all of these teams are good. I think the MJ fans are going to vote for any team that he is on no matter who else is on it. Put MJ on your team in place of Billups and your team wins in a landslide. There is nobody more loyal than a MJ fan. I love your team and think it would be the most fun to watch.[/QUOTE]

There's a lot of truth to that, but 87 Lakers drafted a great team overall.

Bird/Walton/Duncan just aren't the sexiest of names, and I don't think people realize how good McGrady would actually be on that team on both ends. Cheers

[QUOTE=tpols;14631136]Wait a second...

LeBron was drafted number 1...

MJ was drafted afterwards by 1987 of all people and his team overwhelmingly won.

:biggums:

Hilarious.[/QUOTE]
The sad thing is this is exactly how he evaluates basketball players in general :lol

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14631126]:oldlol:

You drafted a girl and have the audacity to complain how I set up your lineup. Lmao[/QUOTE]

it's an honorable move to recognize greatness when you see it

it's a snake move to stick a knife in someone's back

there are two types of people in this world

i think it's clear who is who

[QUOTE=post;14631152]it's an honorable move to recognize greatness when you see it

it's a snake move to stick a knife in someone's back

there are two types of people in this world

i think it's clear who is who[/QUOTE]

How exactly did you want me to "design" your lineup?

You drafted 3 centers who have never played the power forward spot. (Jokic, Embiid, Gobert)

3 power forwards who have never played the small forward spot. (Giannis, Green, & Zion)

Take accountability that you had a shit draft and move on.

[QUOTE=Shogon;14631139]And besides, you want to get into fits on the court... what about off the court?

Anyone in this whole world think peak Gary Payton is going to be ok coming off the bench for Chauncey ****ing Billups?

L - M - F - A - O.

Clearly never watched GP.[/QUOTE]

Chauncey ****ing Billups who in 2005 had the 3rd highest win shares behind lebron and dirk.

Had the 7th highest TS% at 61%

Paytons highest TS% was 55%


:lol

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14631155]How exactly did you want me to "design" your lineup?

You drafted 3 centers who have never played the power forward spot. (Jokic, Embiid, Gobert)

3 power forwards who have never played the small forward spot. (Giannis, Green, & Zion)

Take accountability that you had a shit draft and move on.[/QUOTE]

now you ask after i point out your snake behavior

there isn't necessarily a lineup but multiple ones that would be interesting to see in the spirit of experimentation

perhaps this is the strongest 7 to go with in the abstract

starters

jokic
embiid
draymond
giannis
luka

bench

gobert
jrue

7 is not unusual in a playoff environment

if you don't understand why they might win or why i picked who i picked that's fine

i'm man enough to admit you and the other 7 have good teams

i could've took 2 wnba players and said f the supreme court which crossed my mind

a lot of things cross my mind

i'm not small minded you could say

perhaps you could learn something from that instead of being another toxic clone

[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;14631159]Chauncey ****ing Billups who in 2005 had the 3rd highest win shares behind lebron and dirk.

Had the 7th highest TS% at 61%

Paytons highest TS% was 55%


:lol[/QUOTE]

Tell me you didn't watch either player, without telling me you didn't watch either player.

[QUOTE=Shogon;14631252]Tell me you didn't watch either player, without telling me you didn't watch either player.[/QUOTE]

Tell me you have no real rebuttal without telling me you have a real rebuttal.

I know Payton was a monster that's why he'd be lethal off my bench. I want Billups spacing the floor and hitting 3s which he does significantly better than Payton.

Take me to ecstasy without taking ecstasy.

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14631261]Take me to ecstasy without taking ecstasy.[/QUOTE]

:lol

I used to bump that in HS when I'd drive with girls on lunch. Good times.

[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;14631135]I think it proves recency bias is a thing. They saw modern era and voted for post cause he has all modern players :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

We should do a post 2000 draft. I feel like that would garner more traffic once the teams have been drafted.

Anyone drafted in 2000 or after or who came into the league in 2000 or after. That eliminates the Kobes, KGs, guys who's primes were in the early to mid 2000s. Would be interesting imo.

[QUOTE=Wally450;14631309]We should do a post 2000 draft. I feel like that would garner more traffic once the teams have been drafted.

Anyone drafted in 2000 or after or who came into the league in 2000 or after. That eliminates the Kobes, KGs, guys who's primes were in the early to mid 2000s. Would be interesting imo.[/QUOTE]

That'd be fun and would eliminate the guess work involved when you draft older players and pretending to know how'd they fit in this era.

[QUOTE=post;14631250]now you ask after i point out your snake behavior

there isn't necessarily a lineup but multiple ones that would be interesting to see in the spirit of experimentation

perhaps this is the strongest 7 to go with in the abstract

starters

jokic
embiid
draymond
giannis
luka

bench

gobert
jrue

7 is not unusual in a playoff environment

if you don't understand why they might win or why i picked who i picked that's fine

i'm man enough to admit you and the other 7 have good teams

i could've took 2 wnba players and said f the supreme court which crossed my mind

a lot of things cross my mind

i'm not small minded you could say

perhaps you could learn something from that instead of being another toxic clone[/QUOTE]

looks like he slithered away

moving on to something else no one will care about

brittney griner/liz cambage
lauren jackson/yolanda griffith
tamika catchings/breanna stewart
maya moore/angel mccoughtry
cynthia cooper/becky hammon

vs.

lisa leslie/sylvia fowles
candace parker/nneka ogwumike
elena delle donne/seimone augustus
diana taurasi/sheryl swoopes
cappie pondexter/sue bird

vote

[QUOTE=post;14631250]now you ask after i point out your snake behavior

there isn't necessarily a lineup but multiple ones that would be interesting to see in the spirit of experimentation

perhaps this is the strongest 7 to go with in the abstract

starters

jokic
embiid
draymond
giannis
luka

bench

gobert
jrue
[/QUOTE]

Maybe if you specified this during the draft instead of posting weird batman joker clips it would have helped you out in the long run.

Lesson learned.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14631680]Maybe if you specified this during the draft instead of posting weird batman joker clips it would have helped you out in the long run.

Lesson learned.[/QUOTE]

not worried about it

not the first time i made joker jokes to amuse myself and perhaps not the last

there's always next year

maybe he'll break his own records

Alt has a good team no doubt . I will still go with 87s team. While Jordan plays a part the duo with Kawhi is hard to go against and throw in Robinson ,stock and the bench that's hard to beat