[QUOTE=GOBB;15003983]Many drafts? Run them off lol[/QUOTE]
Over the last 15 years the only number 1s I would definitely take over Harper (without the benefit of hindsight) are Wemby, AD, Zion and Kat. Iffy are Ant and Wall.
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[QUOTE=GOBB;15003983]Many drafts? Run them off lol[/QUOTE]
Over the last 15 years the only number 1s I would definitely take over Harper (without the benefit of hindsight) are Wemby, AD, Zion and Kat. Iffy are Ant and Wall.
[QUOTE=tontoz;15003976]This is really a lottery for Flagg and Harper. Harper would be a legit number 1 in many drafts.[/QUOTE]
Shifty, crafty 6’6 combo guard with above average athleticism. Looks like a Cade clone, I’m sure teams wouldn’t mind that.
[QUOTE=tontoz;15003986]Over the last 15 years the only number 1s I would definitely take over Harper (without the benefit of hindsight) are Wemby, AD, Zion and Kat. Iffy are Ant and Wall.[/QUOTE]
Ben Simmons. He might have been the biggest prospect of the 10’s. Wiggins was huge until everyone saw how soft he was in college.
[QUOTE=tontoz;15003986]Over the last 15 years the only number 1s I would definitely take over Harper (without the benefit of hindsight) are Wemby, AD, Zion and Kat. Iffy are Ant and Wall.[/QUOTE]
Oh what you would take. Thought you said he legit had a claim to being number 1 in many drafts. Because outside of lack years draft. I can’t see one the last 15 years.
[QUOTE=GOBB;15003989]Oh what you would take. [B]Thought you said he legit had a claim to being number 1 in many drafts.[/B] Because outside of lack years draft. I can’t see one the last 15 years.[/QUOTE]
That was what he meant, that he would go first in a lot of drafts.
[QUOTE=j3lademaster;15003990]That was what he meant, that he would go first in a lot of drafts.[/QUOTE]
That’s not true. He wouldn’t go over anyone #1 outside of last years draft. Here you go…
[url]https://www.nba.com/news/history-draft[/url]
In case you want to pick a year to argue. I’m here for it. Would he go over Cade Cunningham? Nah. Banchero? 3 level scorers at 6’10? Heck he wouldn’t go 2nd in that draft over Chet. Like I said I get that HE would personally take Harper over guys. But Harper does not grade that high in prior drafts.
Would he go #1 next year?
[QUOTE=GOBB;15003989]Oh what you would take. Thought you said he legit had a claim to being number 1 in many drafts. Because outside of lack years draft. I can’t see one the last 15 years.[/QUOTE]
Do you have a reading impairment? The only drafts that I wouldn't have considered Dylan at one are the 4 I listed.
Cade? :facepalm Dylan's handles and finishing ability are a tier above Cade.
Watch him end up in Utah and everyone will forget about him.
[QUOTE=tontoz;15003994]Do you have a reading impairment? The only drafts that I wouldn't have considered Dylan at one are the 4 I listed.
Cade? :facepalm Dylan's handles and finishing ability are a tier above Cade.[/QUOTE]
I don’t care what you would have considered. Truth of the matter he would not have gone #1 in many drafts. Ben Simmons was billed as a generational talent. Harper wouldn’t have gone before him. So of course you would change it to what YOU would have done. Your initial posts made it seem like that would’ve been the case generally speaking. And it flat out wouldn’t have. So no he wouldn’t have gone #1 in many drafts as you once claimed.
He wouldn’t have gone over Cade in that draft.
Definatelly a top 3 pick tho in 2021
Anyway, it would be hilarious if soxers get pick 6 or lose it completely.
[QUOTE=GOBB;15004000]I don’t care what you would have considered. Truth of the matter he would not have gone #1 in many drafts. Ben Simmons was billed as a generational talent. Harper wouldn’t have gone before him. So of course you would change it to what YOU would have done. Your initial posts made it seem like that would’ve been the case generally speaking. And it flat out wouldn’t have. So no he wouldn’t have gone #1 in many drafts as you once claimed.
He wouldn’t have gone over Cade in that draft.
Definatelly a top 3 pick tho in 2021[/QUOTE]
Cade was a better than average ball handler and meh finisher in college. Dylan is elite at both which is why he shot 12% better on 2s. I definitely think he would go at 1 over Cade.
Harper looked like an NBA vet playing with college kids. After he merked Alabama teams realized the only way to keep him out of the paint was to double him.
Ive seen a lot of people saying that they would take Harper over Flagg during the season. Even now there are some wizards fans still saying that.
I would say that Harper would have gotten actually picked number one in at least a third of the drafts, probably more.
[QUOTE=tontoz;15004006]Cade was a better than average ball handler and meh finisher in college. Dylan is elite at both which is why he shot 12% better on 2s. I definitely think he would go at 1 over Cade.
Harper looked like an NBA vet playing with college kids. After he merked Alabama teams realized the only way to keep him out of the paint was to double him.
Ive seen a lot of people saying that they would take Harper over Flagg during the season. Even now there are some wizards fans still saying that.
I would say that Harper would have gotten actually picked number one in at least a third of the drafts, probably more.[/QUOTE]
Seems like wizards have been mocked to land him. Wonder if that has played a role in some wizards fans thinking he is better than Flagg. I do like Harper tho. His defense is suspect in spite of his size. He may be a matador on defense at the next level. But I like everything else about his game. Some sixers fans don’t want another “guard”. But I pose this question. Outside of Maxey what guard do we have that 1. Is worth a top first rd pick 2. Better prospect than Harper Jr.
We all knew Nico Harrison wouldn't be there repping Dallas.
Jay's top 5 is the exact same as mine, in the exact same order. I've seen the same top 5 guys in a lot of mocks but most of them seems to have vj over Tre.
#so wizards :facepalm
I feel sick...
[QUOTE=tontoz;15004029]#so wizards :facepalm[/QUOTE]
:(
At least you got rid of Kyle Kuzma.
Here come the conspiracies...
NBA: "If you send Luka to the biggest global market in the league we'll find you the #1 pick."
Dallas: Deal.
Rigged.
The west almost always gets the hyped prospect nowadays. :oldlol:
[QUOTE=Manny98;15004030]I feel sick...[/QUOTE]
:roll: That’s what you get. Hold that L.
Now I have to read this entire thread.
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league rigged it for dallas because they felt bad for the fans
they definitely rig the lottery. always turns out too convenient
[QUOTE=Manny98;15004030]I feel sick...[/QUOTE]
I thought nets were gonna get it for some reason.
SA getting Dylan Harper to pair with Wemby just gonna get swept under the rug?
[QUOTE=j3lademaster;15004117]SA getting Dylan Harper to pair with Wemby just gonna get swept under the rug?[/QUOTE]
Yeah I had Harper at least a tier anove everyone else after Flagg. Ridiculous that the top two picks are going to the same state.
:banghead:
Nets lost all those games to end up with the 8th pick. I can’t stop laughing at the pathetic Nets franchise and its fanbase more importantly. Go ahead and look for to 2026 draft lottery hahaha
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Hopefully you guys do a good job developing him for the Lakers.
[QUOTE=j3lademaster;15004117]SA getting Dylan Harper to pair with Wemby just gonna get swept under the rug?[/QUOTE]
Isn't Harper and Castle the same player?
What Wemby needs is a younger Chris Paul, not another shotjacker.
[QUOTE=90sgoat;15004386]Isn't Harper and Castle the same player?
What Wemby needs is a younger Chris Paul, not another shotjacker.[/QUOTE]
Not even close. Harper is incredibly polished: handles, stepback middie, turnaround j, and he can shoot the 3 and actually finish at the basket with non dunks. I think Castle is more athletic? But he can’t stretch the floor.
And CP3’s are extinct. Pg’s will be Lukas, Traes, Curry’s, Cades etc going forward. The last ‘true’ star pg was probably Rajon Rondo and of course Paul, like you mentioned.
[QUOTE=Manny98;15004030]I feel sick...[/QUOTE]
Can’t back to laugh at this some more
6'7 3/4", 7'0 wingspan, 221 pounds. 8'10 1/2" standing reach
He moved with true fluidity and explosive power at 221 pounds. He's gonna be a killer. His weight was the only question mark for me because of reports.
I hope this doesn't stunt his growth.
I wanted him to have his own team. Learn on the floor. Make mistakes. Miss shots. Like many other greats before him.
Obviously Reed Sheppard is not on his level, but look at his disastrous rookie season as a 3rd pick because the team was already good.
Coop should be bringing Utah back to prominence.
[QUOTE=stalkerforlife;15004954]I hope this doesn't stunt his growth.
I wanted him to have his own team. Learn on the floor. Make mistakes. Miss shots. Like many other greats before him.
Obviously Reed Sheppard is not on his level, but look at his disastrous rookie season as a 3rd pick because the team was already good.
Coop should be bringing Utah back to prominence.[/QUOTE]
Possibly the dumbest situation you could want him to be in. Go to a bad team. Be expected to carry them to wins. Wins doesn’t happen? Bashed. No grace for bad performances as he tries to develop his game. Bashed. 4 years approaching now has to deal with is he overrated? Is he worth the max? He needs help the franchise isn’t giving it but wait I thought Flagg was Himothy? Great white hype.
Yeah sit this one out. He’s in a perfect situation where now he can be that glue guy, that fill in the blanks and reap the benefits of Kyrie-Davis duo who will shoulder the load in the wins department. The pressure is lessened significantly. Dallas doesn’t win? Dallas chokes? Not Flagg fault it’s theirs. Give him the keys is the narrative. Meanwhile he can improve his weaknesses, strengthen his game so by time Davis/kyrie are no longer a thing? Hes at age 21-22 as the man.
Perfect situation. Tons of grace. F*ck Utah
Reed goes late lottery in a stronger draft. He doesn’t even go 3 in this draft. Hes lumped in with Fears, Tre Johnson of the world. I don’t even see why he’s mentioned. Who expected Reed to be more than a future starter? Role player vibes. Specialist vibes. He had quite a few question marks coming out. One was can he adjust to the speed of the game? Sorry he’s not balling out in Houston. There’s a reason for that.
He ain’t no Cooper cheese
Dallas is a great fit. It's the best balance of team competitiveness and role. He can be the primary playmaker from day one [I]if he's good enough[/I]. He'll get a chance to put up numbers with Kyrie out [I]if he's good enough[/I]. I'd compare his situation to Tatum and Scottie Barnes coming into the league. To a lesser extent, Kawhi, PG, and Butler a few years in.
I think 14-17 ppg, 6-8 rpg, 4-6 apg, 1-2 spg, 1-2 bpg is a safe estimate. Which are great numbers [I]on a winning team[/I]. I also think 17-20 ppg is possible because he's already 221 pounds and should be closer to 230 after the offseason with Dallas' strength and conditioning team. Tatum is 230 right now, so Coop is naturally stronger/sturdier. He's more like an OG Anunoby or Aaron Gordon in that sense.
The biggest thing is that, with Irving out, all the top players are off-ball guys. Flagg will have the ball in his hands plenty. And his defense puts him on the court in the first place, which is what Sheppard's problem was.
[QUOTE=GOBB;15004957]Reed goes late lottery in a stronger draft. He doesn’t even go 3 in this draft. Hes lumped in with Fears, Tre Johnson of the world. I don’t even see why he’s mentioned. Who expected Reed to be more than a future starter? Role player vibes. Specialist vibes. He had quite a few question marks coming out. One was can he adjust to the speed of the game? Sorry he’s not balling out in Houston. There’s a reason for that.
He ain’t no Cooper cheese[/QUOTE]
Reed Shepperd did well in the games he started. He definitely has the potential to be 6th man of the year, which would be his best role for now.
Cooper has very similar measurements to LBJ, Josh Smith, Aaron Gordon, Jayson Tatum, Jalen Johnson, and Paul George.
Flagg: 6'7.75" barefoot, 221 pounds, 7'0" wingspan, 8'10.5" standing reach (18.5 draft age)
LBJ: 6'7.25" barefoot, 245 pounds, 7'0.25" wingspan, 8'10.25" standing reach (18.5 draft age)
Smith: 6'7" barefoot, 221 pounds, 7'0" wingspan, 8'10.5" standing reach (18.53 draft age)
Tatum: 6'8.25" in shoes, 204 pounds, 6'11" wingspan, 8'10.5" standing reach (19.29 draft age)
PG: 6'7.75" barefoot, 214.4 pounds, 6'11.25" wingspan, 8'11" standing reach (20.12 draft age)
Jalen Johnson: 6'7.75" barefoot, 209.6 pounds, 7'0.25" wingspan, 8'10" standing reach (19.5 draft age)
Aaron Gordon: 6'7.5" barefoot, 220.1 pounds, 6'11.75" wingspan, 8'9" standing reach (18.75 draft age)
I'd say Smith is the closest physical comparison, also considering athleticism. Smith has more twitch (39.5" max vert vs. 35.5") but less agility/change of pace/change of direction/lateral movement (11.43 pro lane vs. 10.83). J Smoove was 225 as a rookie, and 240+ in his prime. I'd expect Coop to follow a similar weight progression.
With official measurements now, I'd grade Cooper an A- for size and A- for athleticism. His precocious weight, sturdiness/frame, and strength bump him up from a B+, in my opinion. An offseason with the Dallas strength and conditioning team will get him up to 225-230, and he'll be physically ready to compete from day one. For comparison, Tatum was 210 as a rookie.