TRADE: Luka Doncic to Lakers, Anthony Davis to Mavericks

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14975955]Doncic's condition wasn't the only problem but it's a fact that the Celtics got the ball to his man as much as possible just like it's a fact that after dominating the Western playoffs the Celtics handled him. Whether he's a generational talent or not he has a flaw and it got exploited. You want to act like he's the one athlete on the planet for whom conditioning doesn't matter. Doesn't work that way.[/QUOTE]

I'm not really the one speculating on his lack of conditioning as some fatal flaw in order to justify the worst trade we've ever seen.

He may or may not have a slight conditioning issue, I have no idea. But he undoubtedly benefits from his size and doesn't rely on traditional athletic traits for his success, so the talk about his weight is wildly overblown.

If you swapped Tatum and Luka in the finals, the Celtics win in an easy sweep. His defense, conditioning whatever were completely irrelevant in the scheme of who was winning that finals.

[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;14975967]I'm not really the one speculating on his lack of conditioning as some fatal flaw in order to justify the worst trade we've ever seen.

He may or may not have a slight conditioning issue, I have no idea. But he undoubtedly benefits from his size and doesn't rely on traditional athletic traits for his success, so the talk about his weight is wildly overblown.

If you swapped Tatum and Luka in the finals, the Celtics win in an easy sweep. His defense, conditioning whatever were completely irrelevant in the scheme of who was winning that finals.[/QUOTE]

The Celtics won in an easy 4-1 so that"point" means nothing. Players like Doncic and Tatum have coaching staffs full of the brightest basketball minds on the planet watching every minute of film of them looking for a weakness to exploit. Doncic will have a hard time leading a team to a championship if one of his is something as glaringly obvious as conditioning. It doesn't have to be a fatal flaw, he can take the work ethic he must have to develop his advanced skills and apply it to the weight room and running. Maybe also get some discipline in the diet. If he doesn't he'll still be a great player but he has a flaw that can cost his team games.

Luka was targeted and exploited by Celtics, but less than Harden has been in his career.

Celtics loss was mostly about Kyrie being completely unable to deal with their defense and PJ Washington not being able to step up on the biggest stage.

Luka will have to get in shape, but Jokic is also not in elite shape despite people claiming it.

[QUOTE=90sgoat;14976086]Luka was targeted and exploited by Celtics, but less than Harden has been in his career.

Celtics loss was mostly about Kyrie being completely unable to deal with their defense and PJ Washington not being able to step up on the biggest stage.

Luka will have to get in shape, but Jokic is also not in elite shape despite people claiming it.[/QUOTE]


Yeah the Cs had an ORTG of 111 in the Finals which would currently rank 14th in the league. Dallas didn't lose the Finals because of their defense. They lost because Boston's defense shut them down.

Trying to shift any sort of substantial blame to Luka being fat as a major reason they lost in the Finals is one of the most brainless talking points I’ve ever heard.

AD not making his debut tonight but is slated to this Saturday against Houston.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14976324]Yeah the Cs had an ORTG of 111 in the Finals which would currently rank 14th in the league. Dallas didn't lose the Finals because of their defense. They lost because Boston's defense shut them down.[/QUOTE]

The team defensive statistic isn't going to be about one man's defense. The Celtics overall numbers were brought down by Tatum having a bad shooting Finals. The Celtics still got a lot of good offense off of attacking Doncic. I am assuming you saw what happened when he was left to guard someone one on one or four involved in the pick and roll. The Maverick coach, Jason Kidd himself pointed out that the Celtics had a bullseye on Doncic. Those were his words. The Celtic strategy was not a secret and it worked.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14976340]The team defensive statistic isn't going to be about one man's defense. The Celtics overall numbers were brought down by Tatum having a bad shooting Finals. The Celtics still got a lot of good offense off of attacking Doncic. I am assuming you saw what happened when he was left to guard someone one on one or four involved in the pick and roll. The Maverick coach, Jason Kidd himself pointed out that the Celtics had a bullseye on Doncic. Those were his words. The Celtic strategy was not a secret and it worked.[/QUOTE]


Even with that strategy their offense still wasnt that good.

Minny was elite defensively and the Mavs destroyed them with a 120 ORTG in the WCF. Against the Cs their Ortg was 108.4. Kyrie was pretty useless and Tatum guarding the Mavs Cs blew up their pick and roll.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14976350]Even with that strategy their offense still wasnt that good.

Minny was elite defensively and the Mavs destroyed them with a 120 ORTG in the WCF. Against the Cs their Ortg was 108.4. Kyrie was pretty useless and Tatum guarding the Mavs Cs blew up their pick and roll.[/QUOTE]I'm not saying the Celtic defense wasn't great. Teams win and lose for than just one reason and in this case Doncic being someone the Celtics could attack was a factor and his poor conditioning was definitely a factor in his playing worse in the Finals than he had in the WC playoffs that he had dominated.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14976363]I'm not saying the Celtic defense wasn't great. Teams win and lose for than just one reason and in this case Doncic being someone the Celtics could attack was a factor and his poor conditioning was definitely a factor in his playing worse in the Finals than he had in the WC playoffs that he had dominated.[/QUOTE]

His poor conditioning didn't matter when he was destroying a good defense against the Wolves. He averaged 32/10/8 against them with a 63% TS. Against the Cs his TS dropped by 10%. He didn't suddenly get out of shape in a week.

Some of his defensive problems weren't just due to conditioning. After all the games are spaced out in the playoffs. They had 2 days off prior to game 1, game 2, game 3, and game 5 in the Finals. The only game they won was game 4 with one day of rest.

He has bad habits on defense which got exposed when the Cs attacked him repeatedly. Certainly better conditioning would help but he has to be willing to put in the effort consistently.

Lakers got basically what they needed in Williams. An athletic center who can block some shots and is a lob threat. It will be interesting to see how the lineup does...

Williams
Hachimura
LeBron
Reeves
Doncic
-
Finney-Smith
Vanderbilt
Vincent
Hayes

[QUOTE=Meticode;14976375]Lakers got basically what they needed in Williams. An athletic center who can block some shots and is a lob threat. It will be interesting to see how the lineup does...

Williams
Hachimura
LeBron
Reeves
Doncic
-
Finney-Smith
Vanderbilt
Vincent
Hayes[/QUOTE]
They need to start DFS, the starting lineup has no good defenders otherwise unless Williams can return to form.

[QUOTE=RRR3;14976377]They need to start DFS, the starting lineup has no good defenders otherwise unless Williams can return to form.[/QUOTE]

We'll see. Hach has started 41/41 games this season so far. I could see them starting Finney-Smith as well because he offers the same type of shooting and better defense.

[QUOTE=red1;14974705]leLuka!!

raptors finna trade poeltl to the lakers and its a wrap. give us austin reaves and its a deal. good trade for both teams.


luka going to carry leGOAT to his 5th ring :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
It's gonna be hard to see in a tough ass conference tho. Btw, the braindead retard below you is an unwanted narcissistic homosexual who should shoot himself on his stupid head.

Still post after post of people making excuses/giving a pass to professional athletes getting paid millions for not being in peak physical condition. Insane.

If this was the NFL, their ass would be cut.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14976372]His poor conditioning didn't matter when he was destroying a good defense against the Wolves. He averaged 32/10/8 against them with a 63% TS. Against the Cs his TS dropped by 10%. He didn't suddenly get out of shape in a week. [/quote] In the Wolves series he was allowed to rest on defense. Minnie's offense was three guys on the three point line watchingAnt play basketball with Gobert standing in the paint. So Doncic just stands there beside one of them and gets a breather. The Celtics are not that stagnant and intentionally involved him in the action often, either giving his man the ball (especially when he was on JB) or making him defend the pick and roll. The constant burning of energy was unlike what he had to do vs the WC opponents.
[QUOTE]Some of his defensive problems weren't just due to conditioning. After all the games are spaced out in the playoffs. They had 2 days off prior to game 1, game 2, game 3, and game 5 in the Finals. The only game they won was game 4 with one day of rest. [/QUOTE] There are always going to be multiple reasons, a lot is going on in a game. With the Celtics not letting him rest defensively a flaw was exploited.

[Quote]He has bad habits on defense which got exposed when the Cs attacked him repeatedly. Certainly better conditioning would help but he has to be willing to put in the effort consistently.[/QUOTE]I certainly don't dispute this.

Just saw this. Loool that face, so memey.

[url]https://youtube.com/shorts/_9nYaRBi4gU?si=Jw8cKpA-zujhmyzL[/url]

Poor Luka.

-Smak

[QUOTE=999Guy;14975047]Luka's been apart of a rebuild. Why would he want to do it again? He's gonna control his own destiny, I'm telling you. But we'll see.

The Lakers could pull off some magical shit but they are absolutely on the clock.

Luka was mentally ready to truly win an NBA finals series this year with Dallas. Being expected to scrap up a play in berth and then lose in the second round at best will sour him fast.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE][Windhorst] The Lakers are under immense pressure to sign Luka Dončić to an extension. Dončić currently has “no incentive” to re-sign with LA: “He never said, ‘I wanna be a Laker.’ There are dozens of players over the years who have made it crystal clear they wanna be Lakers. Luka never said that.”[/QUOTE]


Told you.

The Luka sweepstakes will be crazy in a couple years.

[QUOTE=Nowoco;14974255]The more I think about this, the more it makes sense for Dallas.

Luka has issues with his conditioning, attitude and overall leadership. As great as he is, he is unable to stay in shape, stop arguing with refs or whining like a bitch when things aren't going his way. Would you really want to a supermax to someone like that with those reservations? Is he really going to start putting in 100% effort and get ripped when he's making that sort of money? The answer is likely, no. The chances of Luka declining prematurely are far greater than him still being a bonafide superstar into his 30s. He will start picking up more and more injuries too.

Would you really want to roll the dice with your entire franchise on Luka Doncic? I'm not sure I would.[/QUOTE]

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