NFL Season 2025

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15037408]Titans offensive line actually improved this off-season, right now they are middle of the pack. I know he has no weapons but to put only 10 points on this Raiders defense is bad.

This fumble was embarrassing.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/shorts/YwFhCO2xcLA[/url][/QUOTE]

Okay maybe the line isn't that bad. It also isn't good so that doesn't help.

There's also a HUGE intangible factor with rookies QBs and the coaching staff that shouldn't go unnoticed. The way someone can gel or not with the OC in particular is very important. It doesn't seem like the vibes are good in general with them at the moment and I don't believe it's Cam's fault at all.

Think of all of the best quarterbacks you've seen. All were drafted into or ultimately came into very good situations. Brady with Belicheck, Mahomes with Reid, Manning with Dungy (that one is a little flimsier but it's Peyton), Brees getting with Payton, etc.

Luck plays a big factor and we need to wait and see how things shake out.

As GOBB mentioned, look at Baker right now. Playing like a top 5 guy in the league and probably leading the MVP race, even though Allen and Mahomes will probably be the top 2 at the end of course.

Fred Warner going down was pretty tragic. Tough day for Niner fans. It’s a homer take but I’ve thought Warner should have gotten more talk for DPOY in some
of the past years when he was healthy. Niners defense collapsed after he went out.

Joe Flacco has had one of the strangest NFL careers.

Was never a top tier QB, but had an insane playoff run to win a super bowl. Has been a backup for the last 7 years or so, but these last couple of years every time he starts a game he seems to play better than he did for most of Ravens days. Dude is 40 now.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15037833]Joe Flacco has had one of the strangest NFL careers.

Was never a top tier QB, but had an insane playoff run to win a super bowl. Has been a backup for the last 7 years or so, but these last couple of years every time he starts a game he seems to play better than he did for most of Ravens days. Dude is 40 now.[/QUOTE]

He’s always been a good but not elite QB but he has been consistent with stepping up when needed. He’s a big time over achiever or might simply be underrated depending on how you look at it.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15037833]Joe Flacco has had one of the strangest NFL careers.

Was never a top tier QB, but had an insane playoff run to win a super bowl. Has been a backup for the last 7 years or so, but these last couple of years every time he starts a game he seems to play better than he did for most of Ravens days. Dude is 40 now.[/QUOTE]

17th on the all-time wins list with one more win he passes Terry Bradshaw, he's already passed Bart Starr, Troy Aikman, and Jim Kelly.

Russell Wilson plays for good teams and fails, Joe Flacco plays for bad teams and wins...Russ is likely going to make the Hall and Joe isn't. Meanwhile you know what team really needs a backup QB every season...The Baltimore F'N Ravens.

Meanwhile the guy ahead of Joe on the wins list is Matt Stafford so he's not going to pass him

[QUOTE=John8204;15037865]17th on the all-time wins list with one more win he passes Terry Bradshaw, he's already passed Bart Starr, Troy Aikman, and Jim Kelly.

Russell Wilson plays for good teams and fails, Joe Flacco plays for bad teams and wins...Russ is likely going to make the Hall and Joe isn't. Meanwhile you know what team really needs a backup QB every season...The Baltimore F'N Ravens.

Meanwhile the guy ahead of Joe on the wins list is Matt Stafford so he's not going to pass him[/QUOTE]

First QBs ages are irrelevant in today’s game. 40 in 2025 is not 40 in 1995. The new rules are a direct result of QBs being able to play longer than expected or have a sudden drop off in production. Calling Russell a loser whereas Flacco is a winner is strange. Flacco record away from Baltimore isn’t “winner” status by any means. Also majority of his “wins” in were in Baltimore where defense was a priority for the most part. And before you counter with Seattle defense. Keep in mind you’re saying Russ is a loser and Flacco is a winner. And I’m sure Russ has won more in Seattle than Flacco has in Baltimore.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15037833]Joe Flacco has had one of the strangest NFL careers.

Was never a top tier QB, but had an insane playoff run to win a super bowl. Has been a backup for the last 7 years or so, but these last couple of years every time he starts a game he seems to play better than he did for most of Ravens days. Dude is 40 now.[/QUOTE]


Hes a boss like Eli Manning and thats coming from an Eagles fan. Old Man Winter Aaron Rodgers balled out with 4 TD passes too. Fantasy gold mine in this game.:lol

[QUOTE=GOBB;15037899]First QBs ages are irrelevant in today’s game. 40 in 2025 is not 40 in 1995. The new rules are a direct result of QBs being able to play longer than expected or have a sudden drop off in production. Calling Russell a loser whereas Flacco is a winner is strange. Flacco record away from Baltimore isn’t “winner” status by any means. Also majority of his “wins” in were in Baltimore where defense was a priority for the most part. And before you counter with Seattle defense. Keep in mind you’re saying Russ is a loser and Flacco is a winner. And I’m sure Russ has won more in Seattle than Flacco has in Baltimore.[/QUOTE]

Clown take. Russ has been trash everywhere hes gone since. Where as Flacco has balled or been at least above average most of the time. Seattles defense and Marshawn Lynch were even better than anything Flacco was working with. You forgot that last part though.

[QUOTE=tpols;15037905]Clown take. Russ has been trash everywhere hes gone since. Where as Flacco has balled or been at least above average most of the time. Seattles defense and Marshawn Lynch were even better than anything Flacco was working with. You forgot that last part though.[/QUOTE]

Russ with Denver 6594yds 42td 19int 63%comp
Russ with Steelers 2482yds 16td 5int 63% compl

Russ totals elsewhere 9,076yds 58td 24int 41gms

Flacco with Jets 2253yd 14td 6int 57.5% compl (balled out!)
Flacco with Browns 2431yds 15td 14int 59% compl (balled out!)
Flacco with colts 1761yds 12td 7 int 65% compl
Flacco with Denver 1822yds 6td 5int 65% compl

Flacco elsewhere 8,077yds 41td 33ints in 37gms

Keep talking tho.

I didn’t include the giants (Russ) and Bengals (Flacco) because the games played were 3 and 2 respectively. Pointless to even include. But carry on tho.

[QUOTE=tpols;15037904]Hes a boss like Eli Manning and thats coming from an Eagles fan. Old Man Winter Aaron Rodgers balled out with 4 TD passes too. Fantasy gold mine in this game.:lol[/QUOTE]

Eli manning is not a boss. You sound like someone that calls average chicks dimes. Now that’s a clown take.

[QUOTE=tpols;15037905]Clown take. Russ has been trash everywhere hes gone since. Where as Flacco has balled or been at least above average most of the time. Seattles defense and Marshawn Lynch were even better than anything Flacco was working with. You forgot that last part though.[/QUOTE]

We've watched Russ get pwned by Justin Fields, Bo Nix, and Jaxson Dart. Flacco on the other hand has gone to disaster teams and made them contend.

And Eli is twice the QB Russ was, it's an [B][U]obscenity[/U][/B] that he didn't go in the Hall as a first ballot guy.

[QUOTE=warriorfan;15037841]He’s always been a good but not elite QB but he has been consistent with stepping up when needed. He’s a big time over achiever or might simply be underrated depending on how you look at it.[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't call him an overachiever per say. He was a first round pick taken in the top 20. He was always seen as an average QB for the most part, was actually below average in some seasons. I don't even think he was a better QB than Derek Carr if you are comparing their primes, Flacco just happened to step up in big moments and is now randomly playing good football at an old age.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15037955]I wouldn't call him an overachiever per say. He was a first round pick taken in the top 20. He was always seen as an average QB for the most part, was actually below average in some seasons. I don't even think he was a better QB than Derek Carr if you are comparing their primes, Flacco just happened to step up in big moments and is now randomly playing good football at an old age.[/QUOTE]

That is fair to be honest.

[QUOTE=John8204;15037952]We've watched Russ get pwned by Justin Fields, Bo Nix, and Jaxson Dart. Flacco on the other hand has gone to disaster teams and made them contend.

And Eli is twice the QB Russ was, it's an [B][U]obscenity[/U][/B] that he didn't go in the Hall as a first ballot guy.[/QUOTE]

anyone who thinks Eli manning should’ve gone first ballot doesn’t watch football with both eyes open. His only claim to fame is SB. He never was the best QB. He never made all pro teams where usually the best players at that position get selected. His stats are nothing spectacular. .500 record as a QB. TD-INT ratio isn’t great. Barely hit 60% completion for a career. Go create a hall of very good players. He’s first ballot there.

[QUOTE=GOBB;15037960]anyone who thinks Eli manning should’ve gone first ballot doesn’t watch football with both eyes open. His only claim to fame is SB. He never was the best QB. He never made all pro teams where usually the best players at that position get selected. His stats are nothing spectacular. .500 record as a QB. TD-INT ratio isn’t great. Barely hit 60% completion for a career. Go create a hall of very good players. He’s first ballot there.[/QUOTE]

He had a .500 because he played in a division with killers and a conference where the pro-bowl spots were always going to Brees, Rodgers, Favre. Eli played with 1 Hall of Famer who retired after they won the first title. The Giants were always going to win between 10-6 games because of Eli being an iron man whose 2 minute was the best in the league.

You put Eli on the Patriots and Brady on the Giants...and Tom Brady ain't in the league 5 years

[QUOTE=GOBB;15037960]anyone who thinks Eli manning should’ve gone first ballot doesn’t watch football with both eyes open. His only claim to fame is SB. [B]He never was the best QB.[/B] He never made all pro teams where usually the best players at that position get selected. His stats are nothing spectacular. .500 record as a QB. TD-INT ratio isn’t great. Barely hit 60% completion for a career. Go create a hall of very good players. He’s first ballot there.[/QUOTE]

I mean neither were a lot of dudes who are HOFers. Hard to make All-Pro when Brady and his brother are in the league. Two of the best to ever do it.

But yea I ultimately agree. He was a Jalen Hurts level guy for a while with an awesome defense. Probably better than Hurts but he made huge plays when it truly mattered.

Eli was looked at as a bust his first few years in the league, he was ass. Improved big time as the years went on, pro bowl level during his prime, but he will probably make the hall of fame cause of his super bowls. From the '04 class, Big Ben & Phillip Rivers were better QBs

Trevor Lawrence.... just aint that guy at the pro level.

[QUOTE=tpols;15037905]Clown take. Russ has been trash everywhere hes gone since. Where as Flacco has balled or been at least above average most of the time. Seattles defense and Marshawn Lynch were even better than anything Flacco was working with. You forgot that last part though.[/QUOTE]

Still waiting for a reply. Keep lurking tho

[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE;15038193]Trevor Lawrence.... just aint that guy at the pro level.[/QUOTE]

It takes a lot of work to be a good QB. Guys who excel are guys that really want to be great. I don't think he ever cared enough to put in that level of effort.

It's like he played QB because he was supposed to.

Trevor Sunshine Lawrence. So mid. You know who I do like that’s impressing me each week? Drake f*cking Maye. Never thought I’d be tuning into damn Patsies games. Any fans of his game?

[QUOTE=GOBB;15038237]Trevor Sunshine Lawrence. So mid. You know who I do like that’s impressing me each week? Drake f*cking Maye. Never thought I’d be tuning into damn Patsies games. Any fans of his game?[/QUOTE]



Our big draft decision was Daniels vs Maye. I don't follow college football at all so I didn't have an opinion. Looks like we were going to get our franchise QB either way.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15037999]Eli was looked at as a bust his first few years in the league, he was ass. Improved big time as the years went on, pro bowl level during his prime, but he will probably make the hall of fame cause of his super bowls. From the '04 class, Big Ben & Phillip Rivers were better QBs[/QUOTE]

Yeah people crapped on Eli from day one but here's his 12 season record.

Year 2 - 11-5
Year 3 - 8-8
Year 4 - 10-6 (won the Superbowl)
Year 5 - 12-4
Year 6 - 8-8
Year 7- 10-6
Year 8 - 9-7 (won the Superbowl)
Year 9 - 9-7
Year 10 - 7-9
Year 11 - 6-10
Year 12 - 6-10
Year 13 - 11-5

Not the greatest record in the world...but you know who he did in against. Do you know who were the coaches in the NFC East at the time...Bill Parcells, Joe Gibbs, and Andy Reid. 3 of the top ten coaches of all-time 2 of the top five. He came into the league and did that as a Rookie.

He also won 2 Super Bowls...so did Jim Plunkett...lets look at the QB's he beat.

Jeff Garcia
Tony Romo
Brett Favre
Tom Brady
Matt Ryan
Aaron Rodgers
Alex Smith
Tom Brady

He beat 4 MVP's, 3 multi-time MVP's

And oh yeah only 1 of his teammates is in the Hall of Fame...who retired in his third season.

Eli Manning not being in the Hall of Fame is a robbery. Phillip Rivers wasn't even the best QB in San Diego, the team had Drew Brees, and those Chargers teams were stacked. Ben Roethlisberger played on much better teams and had the Bengals and Browns to beat up on every season.

[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE;15038193]Trevor Lawrence.... just aint that guy at the pro level.[/QUOTE]

The 5 QBs drafted in the first round in 2021 look terrible. Fields got benched today.

Mac Jones might have a resurgence though.

Dart is a dog. No quit in him.

Sean Payton is a damn moron, pretty much cost his team a touchdown by running onto the field.

Hahahaha giants ass

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15038270][B]Dart is a dog. No quit in him.[/B]

Sean Payton is a damn moron, pretty much cost his team a touchdown by running onto the field.[/QUOTE]


It's clear he's gonna be a great pro, but that pick he threw when the game was otherwise gonna be over was a brutal rookie mistake. Total lack of time and score awareness.

Drake Maye might already be a borderline elite quarterback. You obviously have to see more, particularly in the playoffs, the have that status but he makes every throw and is always making the right decision too.

They are not a talented team at all and they’re 5-2 solely on his back. And an easy schedule so far.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15038282]Drake Maye might already be a borderline elite quarterback. You obviously have to see more, particularly in the playoffs, the have that status but he makes every throw and is always making the right decision too.

They are not a talented team at all and they’re 5-2 solely on his back. And an easy schedule so far.[/QUOTE]

That 2024 QB class low key looking stacked.

Caleb (Has shown some improvements this year, but still hasn't lived up to the hype)
Daniels
Maye
Nix

McCarthy hasn't really played yet and Penix doesn't look too bad either.

Just hope Daniels doesn't end up like RG3, already a couple of injuries to him this year.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15038282]Drake Maye might already be a borderline elite quarterback. You obviously have to see more, particularly in the playoffs, the have that status but he makes every throw and is always making the right decision too.

They are not a talented team at all and they’re 5-2 solely on his back. And an easy schedule so far.[/QUOTE]

Not to give him 100% of the credit but the Diggs factor has to be mentioned. And it’s not taking anything away from Drake but when Diggs went to Buffalo Josh Allen excelled. And now he goes to NE Drake is excelling. Diggs was quoted saying he is not shocked at Drake Maye performance. He works hard, he’s a leader etc etc

[QUOTE=GOBB;15038289]Not to give him 100% of the credit but the Diggs factor has to be mentioned. And it’s not taking anything away from Drake but when Diggs went to Buffalo Josh Allen excelled. And now he goes to NE Drake is excelling. Diggs was quoted saying he is not shocked at Drake Maye performance. He works hard, he’s a leader etc etc[/QUOTE]

Yea Diggs is a high IQ and a gamer. Seems like he gels well with young quarterbacks. Don’t know what happens later though because I don’t know that he and Josh are in great terms now.

Either way though, Drake is crazy skilled and still really young. 2 years younger than Daniel’s and a year younger than Caleb Williams. He’s skyrocketing right now.

Matt Stafford by the way 37 years old, never an MVP, never an All-Pro might finally get those honors this year.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15038282]Drake Maye might already be a borderline elite quarterback. You obviously have to see more, particularly in the playoffs, the have that status but he makes every throw and is always making the right decision too.

They are not a talented team at all and they’re 5-2 solely on his back. And an easy schedule so far.[/QUOTE]

Mostly agree, but the defense has been very good, and the offensive line is much improved as well. Just need to get Maye a couple of more weapons and keep improving the o-line and the Pats will be back in the picture.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15038282]Drake Maye might already be a borderline elite quarterback. You obviously have to see more, particularly in the playoffs, the have that status but he makes every throw and is always making the right decision too.

They are not a talented team at all and they’re 5-2 solely on his back. And an easy schedule so far.[/QUOTE]

Their schedule is a big help. I want to see what happens when they play Tampa in a few weeks, or Buffalo later in the season.

I just happened to check their schedule again, and my god, there is maybe one more loss, maybe two on their schedule because of how bad every team is.

They could easily win 13-14 games, but ultimately lose to KC, Denver, Buffalo in the postseason. Which isn't bad, especially in a rebuilding year with a new coach.

Their record is going to be massively inflated due to their soft schedule. They still have issues with depth at receiver and running back. Those will be profound come the postseason.

RIP Cam Skattebo for the 2025 season.

[QUOTE=Doomsday Dallas;15039586]RIP Cam Skattebo for the 2025 season.[/QUOTE]


Goodnight sweet ankle. Youre up in Heaven with Jesus now.

Drake Maye is that dude.

Niners looked so bad today at every position on both offense and defense. Not being dramatic but they didn’t look like a real NFL team on a lot of snaps. They were already questionable with talent and age before the list of injuries that have happened. As of now the most explosive offensive player is Kendrick Bourne….The defense looks completely lost at all 3 levels. Might have the worst offensive line in the league which is exasperated by Mac Jones’ lack of mobility. Tough year for the Niners where their window was already slamming shut then got sped up thanks to the wild injury problems. There was an infographic during the game today where it said since 2017 the 49ers have had over 2000 games missed from players. Number 1 in NFL. Not trying to make excuses but looking at that it’s pretty out there.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15039603]Drake Maye is that dude.[/QUOTE]

Really really good. He might be the best and most accurate downfield thrower in the league already. Like anyone else I’ll need to see how he does in high-pressure games before anointing him in that elite category but he’s tracking in that direction.

Aaron Rodgers is still a serviceable/solid QB, but nowhere near what he once was as a player. It's not his fault, he is already 41, but it really puts what Brady did into perspective, he didn't join the Bucs until he was 43 and still managed to have two seasons with them where he was a top tier QB. Won a super bowl his first year and made the All-Pro team in his 2nd year at age 44.