The Official 2nd Presidential Debate Thread - 10/7/08

[QUOTE=LakersDynasty]Kumface=Starface=Denali. I just noticed your name starts with "Kum." Should have clarified that. I've stated my opinions about the economy, gas, and Bush. Not going to change it, we can go back and forth all day but the fact is that it won't change anyone's stance. I just don't see a point in arguing with anyone who believes Bush is completely innocent in all of this.[/QUOTE]

Kumo and I are seperate individuals. Every other person on this whole site knows that and is laughing at how stupid you are.

Your shrill babbling and desperate incoherence in this thread are EMBARRASSING you in front of all of ISH.

Do you realize this?

[quote=Denali]Well I do by all means hope people will question the background and motives of Barrack Hussein Obama.

Barrack Hussein Obama was born to a Muslim father. He has had a working relationship with a man who bombed the pentagon. He attended the church of a radical, racially-divisive preacher in Jeremiah Wright. A church that [URL="http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/01/obama_distances.html"]awarded Luis Farrakhan the Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. Trumpeter Award" and said that Farrakhan "epitomized greatness."[/URL]

That is a very sketchy background. Add to that the fact that Obama has been in the United States senate for four years. During that time he has accrued one of the highest percentages of missed votes of any senator, and after only four years he realized he was popular enough to run straight to the presidency and jumped at the opportunity.

Does he sound to you like a guy who is a trustworthy, honest patriot who wants to serve his country, or a sketchy career politician who is sheisting his way to the white house by simply taking advantage of the sentiment of opposition to the current administration and taking advantage of the a political climate that is conducive to the idealist propaganda of "hope" and "change" the way hitler once did?

you tell me.[/quote]

He's a sheisty career politician. You don't get nominated for president w/o being one. But the guy isn't a terrorist (or Hitler). I wish someone kept a count of the number of times each has used the word "change" in relation to their candidacy in the last month or so, I bet it's pretty close.

[QUOTE=Denali]Kumo and I are seperate individuals. Every other person on this whole site knows that and is laughing at how stupid you are.

Your shrill babbling and desperate incoherence in this thread are EMBARRASSING you in front of all of ISH.

Do you realize this?[/QUOTE]
I can't believe how stupid you are. I clearly stated in my post that the insult was not directed at him, but at you. I never claimed you were the same person, go back, read it again and come back you moron. Kumface=Starface. Kumo has nothing to do with this. It's YOU! Get it? :roll:

[QUOTE=LakersDynasty]I can't believe how stupid you are. I clearly stated in my post that the insult was not directed at him, but at you. I never claimed you were the same person, go back, read it again and come back you moron. Kumface=Starface. Kumo has nothing to do with this. It's YOU! Get it? :roll:[/QUOTE]

Damn dude you make it confusing basically spelling my name out.... So you don't think I am the same person as starface, but that starfaces nickname is kumface?

[QUOTE=Denali][B]a sketchy career politician who is sheisting his way to the white house by simply taking advantage of the sentiment of opposition to the current administration and taking advantage of the a political climate that is conducive to the idealist propaganda of "hope" and "change"[/B]

[B]you tell me.[/B][/QUOTE]


didnt the american people tell you when they chose him over hillary?



:oldlol: at your asinine statemenet insinuating that obama is like hitler

[QUOTE=Kumo]I don't have insurance... and I don't think I should be provided it by the government :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]

Every human being should be entitled to heath-care, especially for children. The issue is not who should and shouldn't be entitled to heath-care, it should be more about the cost. That's where the corruption comes into play.

I'm not saying let the government control all sectors of the industry, but to some degree there needs to be a minimum standard for health-care to all, most notably children.

[QUOTE=Kumo]Damn dude you make it confusing basically spelling my name out.... So you don't think I am the same person as starface, but that starfaces nickname is kumface?[/QUOTE]
Yes, exactly.

[QUOTE=InspiredLebowski]He's a sheisty career politician. You don't get nominated for president w/o being one. But the guy isn't a terrorist (or Hitler). I wish someone kept a count of the number of times each has used the word "change" in relation to their candidacy in the last month or so, I bet it's pretty close.[/QUOTE]

Still, do these facts cause ANY concern on your part?

Was born the son of a Muslim father and attended for 22 years a radical church that awarded Luis Farrakhan an achievement award (and didnt grow up going to that church, but selected it as an adult). Politically collaborated and befriended an admitted terrorist who BOMBED THE PENTAGON. Has served in the Senate for a mere four years and during that time had one of the highest absentee rates on voting, and was THE most liberal voter when he did vote.

I mean, you feel truly confident and secure in Barrack Hussein Obama's motives, intentions, and trustworthiness? Confident enough to vote for him as the President of the United States?

[QUOTE=Denali]nonsense[/QUOTE]

"<[I]whisper[/I]>the terrorists hate your freedom</[I]whisper[/I]>" george w bush

scare tactics are great

[quote=Denali]Still, do these facts cause ANY concern on your part?

Was born the son of a Muslim father and attended for 22 years a radical church that awarded Luis Farrakhan an achievement award (and didnt grow up going to that church, but selected it as an adult). Politically collaborated and befriended an admitted terrorist who BOMBED THE PENTAGON. Has served in the Senate for a mere four years and during that time had one of the highest absentee rates on voting, and was THE most liberal voter when he did vote.

I mean, you feel truly confident and secure in Barrack Hussein Obama's motives, intentions, and trustworthiness? Confident enough to vote for him as the President of the United States?[/quote]

Yes, they concern me (other than a Muslim father he barely knew). Palin's church looks pretty out there to me, but they all do, and she's VP. I'm not sure why you're misconstruing me as some ardent Obamiac, what do you see his motives and intentions to be, to drape a red flag over the country? This will be my 2nd time voting for president and the 2nd time I feel like I'm voting for the guy who'll **** up the country the least, and that'll probably be the case for the rest of my life.

[QUOTE=Legend of Josh]Every human being should be entitled to heath-care, especially for children. [/QUOTE]

Let's inject some logic into this argument, and by that I mean formulaic logic.

What if students decided it was no longer worth spending their entire 20's with their heads burried in med-school books and spending their entire life savings paying off hundreds of thousands of dollars in med school loans?

What if people simply stopped electing to become doctors? Your statement that it is every citizens right to have healthcare would become a problem. What would you propose, that the government force people to become doctors? Institute a doctor draft?

Life and liberty are rights. You can ensure those independently. Healthcare is dependent on people CHOOSING to become doctors. You cant MAKE people be doctors, and by extension, you cannot call healthcare a right. It is a SERVICE. If you cant understand that logic, you are a long way off from reality.

I'm glad I didnt watch this. I'm smarter because of this.

[QUOTE=InspiredLebowski]This will be my 2nd time voting for president and the 2nd time I feel like I'm voting for the guy who'll **** up the country the least, and that'll probably be the case for the rest of my life.[/QUOTE]


Not on the day when you will have an opportunity to vote for me.

[QUOTE=Denali]Not on the day when you will have an opportunity to vote for me.[/QUOTE]

I'd vote for you.

[QUOTE=Denali]Well I do by all means hope people will question the background and motives of Barrack Hussein Obama.

Barrack Hussein Obama was born to a Muslim father. He has had a working relationship with a man who bombed the pentagon. He attended the church of a radical, racially-divisive preacher in Jeremiah Wright. A church that [URL="http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/01/obama_distances.html"]awarded Luis Farrakhan the Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. Trumpeter Award" and said that Farrakhan "epitomized greatness."[/URL]



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Your criticism of Obama's flimsy Senate record is valid. But I have a problem with the first part. First of all, why is it "sketchy" that Obama's father was a Muslim? I know that there've been allegations that Obama's lying about his religious background, which has been disputed numerous times. But even if Obama was a Muslim, why is this seen as such a negative thing?

Wright is someone who I felt was heavily demonized by the media, through soundbites that were largely taken out of context. If you look at the speeches he made in their entirety, he makes some very valid points, imo, about the wrongdoings of the US government coming back to haunt them. It's actually quite similar to Malcolm X's infamous "the chickens coming home to roost" comment regarding President Kennedy's assasination. As for the whole black liberation theology thing, its something that I feel most of mainstream white America doesn't really understand. The media, both left and right, did little to gain an understanding of it and merely assumed that it was some sort of racist radical movement. In reality, the theology deals with the paradox of black people following a religion that was widely used to justify their enslavement and prejudice against them. It's putting Christianity in a context that applies to the Black American experience.

Farrakhan is a tough figure. I understand why Obama would want to distance himself from him. I certainly don't agree with many of his stances, particular those involving Jewish people and gay people. Despite his many faults, the man has done many positive things for the black community that the media fails to publicize. The award he won was largely in recognition for those things.

Obama's "working relationship" with Ayers is overblown. They worked together in an anti-poverty group. As an Obama spokesman mentioned, to connect Obama to an organization and event that occurred when he was only 8 years old is ridiculous. Ayers was a completely different person when they worked together with a different mindset and outlook.