Gerald Wallace hospitalized for possible collapsed lung

[QUOTE=Godfather]Pulled Greg Odens ankle.

Clothslined LeBron.

Decked Gerald.[/QUOTE]

Actually if you blame anyone on the Lakers for Greg Oden's injury it would be Derek Fisher. But you're right, I'm sure Bynum intentionally pulled Greg's ankle hoping to injure him.:oldlol:

He didn't clothesline LeBron. If you want to ***** about LeBron getting fouled, why don't you watch last year's playoffs and you can see Haywood throw him on his ass.

He did foul Gerald, hard. Bad foul, flagrant foul, we all move on. It's amazing how people come up with this kind of stuff because they're determined to hate either a certain player or a team. Would you be commenting if Bynum was a Houston Rocket or Cavalier?

As I posted earlier, Bynum did not play the ball, not the slightest bit, lead with his elbow, and from the replays, seems like he also did step on Wallace's shoe. If it doesn't result in a suspension, I will be somewhat surprised as I believe it does warrant one. Now, was it intentional? We will never know, regardless, it was an extremely careless and stupid play on the part of Bynum.

[QUOTE=Kobe24]Bynum wanted his team to win and he sent a message that the paint is his on both sides of the court. Not his fault G-Wall tried some stupidity.[/QUOTE]

Go jack off to a picture of Kobe you POS

[QUOTE=Bobcat4Ever]Go jack off to a picture of Kobe you POS[/QUOTE]

This really has nothing to do with anything, but did you support the Hornets before they moved from Charlotte or did you start watching the Bobcats when they became a franchise?

[QUOTE=andrewbynum 31]Actually if you blame anyone on the Lakers for Greg Oden's injury it would be Derek Fisher. But you're right, I'm sure Bynum intentionally pulled Greg's ankle hoping to injure him.:oldlol:

He didn't clothesline LeBron. If you want to ***** about LeBron getting fouled, why don't you watch last year's playoffs and you can see Haywood throw him on his ass.

He did foul Gerald, hard. Bad foul, flagrant foul, we all move on. It's amazing how people come up with this kind of stuff because they're determined to hate either a certain player or a team. Would you be commenting if Bynum was a Houston Rocket or Cavalier?[/QUOTE]

I am not talking about that play I am talking about the play he pulled at Oden's leg sending him to the ground.

Guess what happened to Haywood after he did that? And besides just because another player does it doesn't mean it is clean.

You obviously have not moved on if you are trolling this thread trying to defend him.

Andrew Bynum threw his elbow into a player with the ball no where near the area he launched at. The player was knocked hard onto the ground and could possibly have a collapsed lung. Grow up and stop demeaning Gerald Wallace by pulling up these Bull **** stories.

/end argument.

[QUOTE=bleedinpurpleTwo]Don't be a puss. A foul is when you hack a guy, as you say, or go for the ball strong enuf that he can't score (as you say). That's just a foul, imo.
A HARD foul sends a guy to the floor and probably warrants a flagrant.

A dirty foul is something like sliding your foot underneath the jump shooter (Bowen), a deliberate clothesline (Bell), etc etc

Bynum laid him out and got what he deserved...a flagrant.[/QUOTE]
There are personal fouls (like standard blocking fouls, reach ins, charges).

Then there are hard personal fouls, such as hard hacks across the wrist, wrapping a guy up, or yes knocking a guy to the ground.

But you have to be going for the ball when you knock him down, you can't just body check him or crack him in the head. It's not hockey or football, they don't have padding or helmets so if that **** happens to players on a nightly basis, there is going to be a lot more injuries and shorter careers. That's not good for business.

Which brings us to flagrant fouls, which is usually a hard foul where there is no attempt on the ball, such as knocking a guy on his ass without going for the ball, or where the attempt on the ball was clearly just a pretense to go for the head, etc, etc. It becomes a flagrant two (and an automatic suspension) when it was clearly just an assault (punching, kicking, kneeing, or elbowing deliberately) such as Bowen kicking Chris Paul while he was down last season. Or when there are two flagrant ones, obviously.

And then dirty stuff is where you intend to injure a guy. For example, undercutting maliciously (Bowen), drop kicking a guy in the face as you close out on him (Bowen again), pushing a guy hard while he's in the air, grabbing a guys leg while he's in the air, anything where it's obvious that you're just trying to put the guy out of the game.

With Bynum, I strongly doubt he deliberately stepped on GW's foot (which is what turned that from a bruised ribcage to a collapsed lung), so it wasn't dirty. But it was clearly a flagrant 2 because he elbowed him deliberately with no attempt on the ball.

So, in summary, dirty = no, flagrant 2 = yes. Tell me seriously that if Okafor had done the same thing to Kobe, (foot stepped on, body check with elbow to the ribs, collapsed lung for Kobe) that wouldn't have been ruled a flagrant 2, and you wouldn't be saying it was dirty. Don't be a hypocrite.

[QUOTE=andrewbynum 31]This really has nothing to do with anything, but did you support the Hornets before they moved from Charlotte or did you start watching the Bobcats when they became a franchise?[/QUOTE]


Welcome to the forum.....if you intelligent conversations go to the lakers forum....


here all these mo fo'ers will keep arguing no matter what you say.....

[QUOTE=Godfather]I am not talking about that play I am talking about the play he pulled at Oden's leg sending him to the ground.

Guess what happened to Haywood after he did that? And besides just because another player does it doesn't mean it is clean.

You obviously have not moved on if you are trolling this thread trying to defend him.

Andrew Bynum threw his elbow into a player with the ball no where near the area he launched at. The player was knocked hard onto the ground and could possibly have a collapsed lung. Grow up and stop demeaning Gerald Wallace by pulling up these Bull **** stories.

/end argument.[/QUOTE]


I figured you might be a decent poster but I guess I was wrong. I could care less if Bynum gets suspended, because if he actually stepped on Gerald's foot afterwards that was a really stupid thing to do. What I have a problem with is people acting like Bynum was out to get Gerald and that his goal was to intentionally hurt him. Whatever, there's no point talking to a brickwall.

Even though it was a freak accident, I don't like the way he used his elbow. Just an unnessecary play. Either raise your hands or wrap him up. There's no need for this in basketball.

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[QUOTE=A.M.G.]There are personal fouls (like standard blocking fouls, reach ins, charges).

Then there are hard personal fouls, such as hard hacks across the wrist, wrapping a guy up, or yes knocking a guy to the ground.

But you have to be going for the ball when you knock him down, you can't just body check him or crack him in the head. It's not hockey or football, they don't have padding or helmets so if that **** happens to players on a nightly basis, there is going to be a lot more injuries and shorter careers. That's not good for business.

Which brings us to flagrant fouls, which is usually a hard foul where there is no attempt on the ball, such as knocking a guy on his ass without going for the ball, or where the attempt on the ball was clearly just a pretense to go for the head, etc, etc. It becomes a flagrant two (and an automatic suspension) when it was clearly just an assault (punching, kicking, kneeing, or elbowing deliberately) such as Bowen kicking Chris Paul while he was down last season. Or when there are two flagrant ones, obviously.

And then dirty stuff is where you intend to injure a guy. For example, undercutting maliciously (Bowen), drop kicking a guy in the face as you close out on him (Bowen again), pushing a guy hard while he's in the air, grabbing a guys leg while he's in the air, anything where it's obvious that you're just trying to put the guy out of the game.

With Bynum, I strongly doubt he deliberately stepped on GW's foot (which is what turned that from a bruised ribcage to a collapsed lung), so it wasn't dirty. But it was clearly a flagrant 2 because he elbowed him deliberately with no attempt on the ball.

So, in summary, dirty = no, flagrant 2 = yes. Tell me seriously that if Okafor had done the same thing to Kobe, (foot stepped on, body check with elbow to the ribs, collapsed lung for Kobe) that wouldn't have been ruled a flagrant 2, and you wouldn't be saying it was dirty. Don't be a hypocrite.[/QUOTE]


Good assessment. :cheers:

[QUOTE=StephenDedalus]Man I really hope someone does this to you in your next pick up game and then you can come back and tell us if it's a nice, clean, hard foul.[/QUOTE]
I've already said over and over again that Bynum was stupid for fouling Gerald. I wonder how many of you would so vehemently encourage the league to suspend Bynum if he didn't play for the Lakers. Like I said, the NBA will not do it...they know better.

[QUOTE=Lakers_Kobe_Fan]Welcome to the forum.....if you intelligent conversations go to the lakers forum....


here all these mo fo'ers will keep arguing no matter what you say.....[/QUOTE]

Some of the Laker fans are just as bad, but i'll give it a try. Lol.

[QUOTE=Allstar24]I've already said over and over again that Bynum was stupid for fouling Gerald. I wonder how many of you would so vehemently encourage the league to suspend Bynum if he didn't play for the Lakers. Like I said, the NBA will not do it...they know better.[/QUOTE]

You are right they know better than to suspend a Lakers player.

[QUOTE=Godfather]You are right they know better than to suspend a Lakers player.[/QUOTE]
They know better as in they know Bynum doesn't deserve to be suspended...a flagrant foul was called by the officials, that was the right call, y'all need to get over it.

[QUOTE=Allstar24]They know better as in they know Bynum doesn't deserve to be suspended...a flagrant foul was called by the officials, that was the right call, y'all need to get over it.[/QUOTE]
It probably will be changed to a flagrant 2.