Kobe's Greatest Playoff Series

[QUOTE=necya]
when i think about post game, kobe's name has nothing to do there.
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Maybe you should watch his game more. I'd try to learn proper English grammar before that. Might take awhile.

[QUOTE=KenneBell]Maybe you should watch his game more. I'd try to learn proper English grammar before that. Might take awhile.[/QUOTE]

thank you, i have already watched him during the last 13 years...and have way more interesting games to watch. and you, how many penny's games do you have watched?

don't talk like it was incomprehensible...it would be great if you could correct me! it's weird cause everyone i know from overseas understand me very well...

btw, maybe you speak french as "good" as i speak english?

[QUOTE=necya]
btw, maybe you speak french as "good" as i speak english?[/QUOTE]
If this was a French board It would matter. It's not.

As for Penny being as good as Kobe in the post, I'm sorry, it's not happening. Penny was very good though.

[QUOTE=KenneBell]If this was a French board It would matter. It's not.

As for Penny being as good as Kobe in the post, I'm sorry, it's not happening. Penny was very good though.[/QUOTE]

first, answer to the whole post, then criticize someone on his non natural language is pityful...

and please correct me, it would obviously help me.

[QUOTE=Samurai Swoosh]Loki ... don't act like Kobe's post game isn't near the quality of Jordans.[/QUOTE]

It's about 85% of MJ's in terms of overall efficacy. You can ask Kobe to recreate every move MJ ever did in the post and he'd probably be able to (though maybe not as adroitly), but that's not what ABILITY is about. Jordan was significantly more intuitive in the post than Kobe imo, made quicker/better reads, established and held position better, and had just as many if not more moves.

[QUOTE=G-Funk]Nobody said that Kobe was better than MJ from the post. I just don't think theirs a huge difference if any to believe that Jordan was a superior post player than Kobe. MJ was stronger but the skills are still there to be judged, & Kobe has not shown that he sucks from the post on the contrary he's shown that he's top 3 in the league when it comes to post players. I don;t think that's overrating[/QUOTE]

Yeah, Kobe is top 3 in the league. Jordan is #1 or 2 ALL-TIME in the post for non-bigs. Big difference. Jordan was far more intuitive on the block than Kobe (who is very technically proficient, but not as intuitive), and has done numerous things down there that Kobe hasn't. On top of that, you have his better decision making and quicker reads/reactions, which factor into his post ability.

[QUOTE=OldSchoolBBall]It's about 85% of MJ's in terms of overall efficacy. You can ask Kobe to recreate every move MJ ever did in the post and he'd probably be able to (though maybe not as adroitly), but that's not what ABILITY is about. Jordan was [B]significantly[/B] more intuitive in the post than Kobe imo, made quicker/better reads, established and held position better, and had just as many if not more moves.[/QUOTE]
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He was. That's actually the biggest difference between them in the post. Sorry you find it funny. Basketball intuitiveness is very important.

No. He wasn't. You're just pulling shit our of your ass like always. :oldlol:

[QUOTE=OldSchoolBBall]He was. That's actually the biggest difference between them in the post. Sorry you find it funny. Basketball intuitiveness is very important.[/QUOTE]

Man I'd hate to talk about Jordan in this thread, and it's ruining what I said in a post earlier in this thread, but here it goes:

You can say: Kobe has a lot of the same moves Jordan does, and there are differences in where Jordan was more athletic and finished around the hoop better. Arguing Kobe having more range than Jordan, etc.. Kobe/Jordan leg-kicking on his fadeaways, both have great footwork/postgames at sg, both ultra competitive, etc.. etc...

But their approach is extremely different.

Jordan moved without the ball better than Kobe, and found his spots better than Kobe. Jordan was more decisive, and moved quickly to not allow defenders to contest him. Jordan would never allow double teams to reach him in time to contest him. Every movement, with or without the ball was quick and decisive to avoid the defense.

Kobe loves to take the defense head-on, and believes that his confidence in his own one-on-one abilities will allow him to beat the defense straight up. It's worked for him, as he has had a successful career, but this is also the main reason why he's not as efficient as Jordan. Kobe "waits" on offense too much.

Where you notice this the most is how frequently Kobe uses his face-up triple threat position jumper with a direct contest by the defender. Jordan would never shoot these shots as frequently as Kobe. Jordan would receive the ball in triple threat, and then either pump fake-drive-layup, pass out-move to better spot-shoot more open jumper. Kobe doesn't work like Jordan, and often settles for his face-up jumper too much. A lot of these happen to be the :wtf: kind of shot was that Kobe category.

The closest comparison to Kobe in terms of skill-set and approach is actually Tracy McGrady in his prime, not Michael Jordan.

Jordan had to move quicker because he didn't have Kobe's isolation ability. He had to attack before a defense sets up because he lacked iso scoring creativity and ball-handling: everything was a drive or a pull-up mid-range jumper. Kobe, on the other hand, is the best/most creative ball-handler at the SG position ever and has a unparalleled array of shots. :applause:

I disagree with the Jordan Kobe Post comparisons. you put any defender that ever guarded MJ on Kobe and he will tear him up in the post. There is a reason that Kobe is so often guarded by 6'8 small forwards instead of speedy smaller guards.

Kobe fans: smoking that good stuff since 2000. :oldlol:

Jordan fans: smoking that good stuff since 1991 :oldlol:

Jordan fans: Delusional since 1984. :oldlol:

[QUOTE=Ne 1]Jordan fans: smoking that good stuff since 1991 :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jacks25]Jordan fans: Delusional since 1984. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

Has anybody suggested to Jeff that some kind of safety measures be put in effect where banned posters cannot come back under new usernames? Once time, you get a second chance. After that, you're done. I'm not sure what kind of stuff can be done but I'm sure we can come with suggestions. This is the kind of BS that pollutes this board and makes it unbearable. Ignore list doesn't work because someone inevitably ends up quoting them. When they're finally banned, they come back under yet another username and you have to update ignore list again. I don't care much for the rep system and I never comment on it, but it's quite telling when "brand new" posters such as these already are in the red.

What exactly are Jordan fans delusional about? He's widely considered the greatest player of all time. Does that mean he is? No, there other players who you can make a case for as well. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Bill Russell come to mind and, to a lesser extent, Wilt Chamberlain. Jordan isn't the best at everything. He doesn't need to be, his overall numbers/accolades/accomplishments speak for itself. It can be debatable whether or not he was a better scorer than Wilt. He wasn't as good a passer as Magic. Wasn't as good a shooter as Bird. What people like myself, OldSchoolBball, Glide2keva, Calabis, Sin Jackal, etc. take issue with is when people try and place Kobe in the same stratosphere as these guys when it's clear he doesn't belong there. He has never approached Jordan's career and never will. He's fallen short in everything. No he doesn't have a "higher scoring ceiling"(whatever the hell that means) than Jordan. No his post game is not equal to Jordan's. He isn't as good and you need to accept that. And yes, KG5MVP, another troll account, DID ruin this thread to begin with. However it was only a matter of time that posters like the above were going to come in here with their "KOBE GOAT :bowdown:" garbage. You know that. This only accelerated their arrival.

As far as the OP's question? Either 2001 against the Spurs or 2008 against the Spurs.