ESPN article blasts "has-been" Jordan for Kobe comments

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[COLOR="Cyan"]Blue[/COLOR]: Isolation era+Handchecking
[COLOR="Red"]Red[/COLOR]: Zone era+Handchecking (Best defensive era in NBA history)
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[B]Conclusion[/B]: Clearly stats from the 80s and 90s - both PPG+FG%- are inflated, due to faster run-and-gun pace (think 2005 Suns, 2007 Warriors), inferior defense, and inferior players.[/QUOTE]

LMAO... how about, players ran their offense much more efficiently and shot higher percentage shots....again Bird was a premier 3 pt shooter and he only shot 270+ once...Kobe no where near the 3 point shooter Bird was and has 300+ more attempts 7 times...also why do you morons keep ignoring the AND 1/One on One crap, most players play today, they dribble the entire shot clock out, before jacking ill advised shots, maybe that has something to do with it. Or how about the fact that Offensive Rebounds have declined???

In '84-85, offenses grabbed the board on 32.9 percent of missed shots, but by '03-04 that had declined to 28.7 percent. That difference has cost offenses 2.0 points per game, and it probably results from 3-point shooters being spaced too far away from the basket to have a prayer of getting an offensive board.


NBA Offense: Then and Now 1984-85 2003-04 Change

Points per game 110.8 to 93.4= -17.4
Possessions/game 104.8 to 92.0= -12.8
Points/possession 1.05 to 1.01= -.04
Field-goal pct. 49.1 to 43.9= -5.2
Free-throw pct. 76.4 to 75.2= -1.2
3-point pct. 28.1 to 34.7= +6.6
Off. Rebound pct. 32.9 to 28.7= -4.2
FTA/FGA .330 to .303= -.207
Turnovers/possession .169 to .154= -.015

Since '84-85, field-goal percentages have sunk roughly in proportion to Billy Squier's albums sales, from 49.1 percent to 43.9 percent last season. Sharp minds in the audience will quickly note that the 3-pointer is a much more prevalent part of modern offenses (teams try more than five times as many as they did two decades ago), so we should expect field-goal percentages to be lower in return for the greater payoff. Yet even allowing for the rise of the 3-pointer, shooting is still in the dumpster. Teams averaged 0.99 points for each field-goal attempt in 1984-85, but just 0.94 last season. That five-hundreths of a percentage point difference is enough to subtract 2.9 points a game from offenses.

That goes to underscore that the 3-pointer has, on balance, not had much of an effect. On the one hand, players shoot the long bomb much more accurately than twenty years ago -- improving from 28.1 percent to 34.7 percent -- which has added 1.9 points per game to scoring.

But there's a hidden cost to all of those 3s. Because they're bombing away instead of going to the rim, teams are getting to the line much less often. Teams took 0.33 free-throws per field-goal attempt back then, but only 0.30 last season, a change that cost teams about 1.7 points a game -- giving back nearly all of the difference from the increase in 3-point accuracy.

[QUOTE=G-Funk]IMO opinion Kobe is the better scorer- Jordan is the better All-around player[/QUOTE]

Yet nothing in Kobe's scoring avg's prove this theory

[QUOTE=tpols]If you want to make excuses, jordan scored 69 against a team with a losing record and needed two OTs to do so.[/QUOTE]

And he took only 37 shots last time I chk'd

[QUOTE=Glide2keva]No, that logic only counts when it favors Kobe.[/QUOTE]

Seems that way. "He didn't, therefore he couldn't have" only works against Jordan. :facepalm Jordan never scored 81 but it wasn't because he couldn't. It was because to score that many points, you have to let other stuff slide. You're not distributing, you're not rebounding, you're not playing defense. You're ONLY concerned with scoring. Jordan scored a lot but wasn't willing to give up everything in a mercenary attempt to score as many points as possible.

[QUOTE=Da_Realist]Seems that way. "He didn't, therefore he couldn't have" only works against Jordan. :facepalm Jordan never scored 81 but it wasn't because he couldn't. It was because to score that many points, you have to let other stuff slide. You're not distributing, you're not rebounding, you're not playing defense. You're ONLY concerned with scoring. Jordan scored a lot but wasn't willing to give up everything in a mercenary attempt to score as many points as possible.[/QUOTE]
We have a winner!!!

[QUOTE=Calabis]And he took only 37 shots last time I chk'd[/QUOTE]

Something that keeps eluding them and something they can't comprehend.

I mean... if Kobe managed to shoot 46 times in only 41 minutes, doesn't a red light go on at some point in which some sort of logic starts to kick in?

I agree that Kobe was hot, and other players in the history of the game (including Kobe himself) have been as hot if not hotter. But they didn't manage to shoot that many shots in that time span.

Doesn't that say anything about the defense?

Kobe also managed to take almost the same amount of fts in less time (Mj shot 23 in 50 minutes of play and Kobe shot 20 in 41.56 minutes of play) that's near 8 minutes.

I'm not a mathematician so can somebody calculate what the shot and ft attempts per minute are?

Again.... this represents the type of defense that Kobe was going up against.

And let us not forget that Melo the very next night, against the same team was on pace to score over 100 pts as well.

[QUOTE=andgar923]Something that keeps eluding them and something they can't comprehend.

I mean... if Kobe managed to shoot 46 times in only 41 minutes, doesn't a red light go on at some point in which some sort of logic starts to kick in?

I agree that Kobe was hot, and other players in the history of the game (including Kobe himself) have been as hot if not hotter. But they didn't manage to shoot that many shots in that time span.

Doesn't that say anything about the defense?

Kobe also managed to take almost the same amount of fts in less time (Mj shot 23 in 50 minutes of play and Kobe shot 20 in 41.56 minutes of play) that's near 8 minutes.

I'm not a mathematician so can somebody calculate what the shot and ft attempts per minute are?

Again.... this represents the type of defense that Kobe was going up against.

And let us not forget that Melo the very next night, against the same team was on pace to score over 100 pts as well.[/QUOTE]

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Since they love charts, here is one for you 14 of top 27

[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_top_individual_game_scores"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_top_individual_game_scores[/URL]

[QUOTE=Da_Realist]Seems that way. "He didn't, therefore he couldn't have" only works against Jordan. :facepalm Jordan never scored 81 but it wasn't because he couldn't. It was because to score that many points, you have to let other stuff slide. You're not distributing, you're not rebounding, you're not playing defense. You're ONLY concerned with scoring. Jordan scored a lot but wasn't willing to give up everything in a mercenary attempt to score as many points as possible.[/QUOTE]

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Are jordan fans all seriously all sucking each other's ***** after losing the initial debate?:oldlol: Haha typical response:roll: :bowdown:

Kobe had no problems with MJ's comments. Much ado about nothing.

[QUOTE=Kujo]Kobe had no problems with MJ's comments. Much ado about nothing.[/QUOTE]

I think deep down it probably burns him bad, but if I'm Phil Jackson, I'm loving this, lol. :lol

It's obvious Kobe idolizes/worships Jordan to an extent that is a borderline obsession.

[QUOTE=tpols]Are jordan fans all seriously all sucking each other's ***** after losing the initial debate?:oldlol: Haha typical response:roll: :bowdown:[/QUOTE]

Losing what, you have been shut down so many times its pointless to argue with you...you bring nothing factual, just hypothetical garbage like most Kobestans bring to the table

Just posted a chart, go ahead and disprove that with more hypothetical bullshit

[QUOTE=Da_Realist]Seems that way. "He didn't, therefore he couldn't have" only works against Jordan. :facepalm Jordan never scored 81 but it wasn't because he couldn't. It was because to score that many points, you have to let other stuff slide. You're not distributing, you're not rebounding, you're not playing defense. You're ONLY concerned with scoring. Jordan scored a lot but wasn't willing to give up everything in a mercenary attempt to score as many points as possible.[/QUOTE]

Jordan didn't have the range nor the shot variety to score 81.....period!!!!
What's most impressive about Kobe's 81 is that he didit to lead the Lakers back from a 19 point deficit....if he doesn't go off they lose that game.
Toronto was trying to win, this was not a case of them rolling over.
Kobe before that had 62 in 3 quarters outscoring the Mavs all by himself.
Maybe he gets 90-100 if he played the 4th.
MJ is still the GOAT but he's acting like an ASS.....lol.

[QUOTE=DKLaker]Jordan didn't have the range nor the shot variety to score 81.....period!!!!
What's most impressive about Kobe's 81 is that he didit to lead the Lakers back from a 19 point deficit....if he doesn't go off they lose that game.
Toronto was trying to win, this was not a case of them rolling over.
Kobe before that had 62 in 3 quarters outscoring the Mavs all by himself.
Maybe he gets 90-100 if he played the 4th.
MJ is still the GOAT but he's acting like an ASS.....lol.[/QUOTE]

Kobe --> GOAT explosive regular season scorer :bowdown: :bowdown:

[QUOTE=Da_Realist]Kobe --> GOAT explosive regular season scorer :bowdown: :bowdown:[/QUOTE]
lol you do realize winning games is not gonna happen if a guy if putting up 40+ shots a game right? You can go off in the regular season but in the playoffs phil jackson would've lopped his balls off if he threw the team's chemistry off by doing that. His 81 and other games are excuses because he had terrible teams that weren't going very far in the playoffs regardless.