Wade vs Kobe so far this year

[QUOTE=Samurai Swoosh]It's hard for either to be a leader when they are both too busy being best friend out there. No true pecking order creates problems.[/QUOTE]
Thats exactly what I'm talking about. Those two couldn't have a single honest word with each other. They tip toe around everything and think they'll just cruise through it all on talent alone. Sometimes you just have to be a d[I]i[/I]ck and tell it like it is.. it would have probably resulted in the Heat winning if Wade had just told Lebron to fvcking man up and start playing for real after one of his bullshit press conferences where he acted like he wasn't playing passive.

[QUOTE=ginobli2311]easily wade so far.

first year non injury since 05 its hasn't been close.

wade's defense has really separated him from kobe so far.[/QUOTE]

:oldlol: Ahh good times, good times

[QUOTE=Mr. I'm So Rad]:oldlol: Ahh good times, good times[/QUOTE]

lol

[QUOTE=catch24]Can't imagine Kobe in his prime losing with a prime LeBron/Bosh. That's just me though.[/QUOTE]

I feel the same way, but at the same time.... Can you imagine Kobe playing as well as Wade did for the majority of the finals this year?

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]I feel the same way, but at the same time.... Can you imagine Kobe playing as well as Wade did for the majority of the finals this year?[/QUOTE]

I believe Kobe played just as well during the 2002 and 2009 Finals. I don't think Kobe could ever play as well as Wade did in 2006, though.

Of course this all depends on the defenses they're playing.

[QUOTE=catch24]I believe Kobe played just as well during the 2002 and 2009 Finals. I don't think Kobe could ever play as well as Wade did in 2006, though.

Of course this all depends on the defenses they're playing.[/QUOTE]

Thats true. My point is that its easy to just assume they would never lose. Its not like Wade didn't really bring it in the finals. Yea, he struggled in game 6 no doubt.

But up to that point he had been pretty damn good on both ends.

I'd be more inclined to knock Wade for his leadership than his play this year. Then again, I have no idea what Wade did behind closed doors. He might have done and said all the right things and that bitch Bosh and weird Lebron just might not have been able to step up.

I have no idea. I think we get into a dangerous area on the intangible stuff because we have no idea the exact specifics and its almost always total speculation on our part.

[QUOTE=kaiiu]Wade cant even win with Lebrick as his sidekick[/QUOTE]

A sidekick that chokes. Kobe would take 35 shots a game if his second option aka. Gasol, was struggling this bad.

[QUOTE=catch24]Can't imagine Kobe in his prime losing with a prime LeBron/Bosh. That's just me though.[/QUOTE]

Point taken, but I also can't imagine Kobe carrying an old Shaq (who averaged 13ppg in the Finals) and old roleplayers to a title either.

There's too many factors in play, we also don't know how Kobe would play with Lebron and Bosh either.

[QUOTE=tpols]Thats exactly what I'm talking about. Those two couldn't have a single honest word with each other. They tip toe around everything and think they'll just cruise through it all on talent alone. Sometimes you just have to be a d[I]i[/I]ck and tell it like it is.. it would have probably resulted in the Heat winning if Wade had just told Lebron to fvcking man up and start playing for real after one of his bullshit press conferences where he acted like he wasn't playing passive.[/QUOTE]
I know. But it's funny because that must be "new school" friendship. If I was messing up, or my buddy was messing up. I could pull them aside and lay into him with words, us bothing knowing we're friends besides the point and will be after the exchange is done, but like ... LISTEN, you're messing up.

Wade tried it in game 3. And LeBron played like he was pouting after that, though ... so maybe Wade tried, but knowing LeBron's been enabled his whole life, he probably wasn't used to be called out.

[QUOTE=catch24]I don't think Kobe could ever play as well as Wade did in 2006, though.[/QUOTE]
Kobe is as entertaining as they come. Enormous EXPLOSIONS in the regular season against ass quality defenses and sh1t box teams. He even plays fairly well in the playoffs when going against average to below average teams and defenses, IE Suns, Jazz, Nuggets, etc. With the few exceptions, like say his series against the Spurs in 2008 (which while very good, wasn't totally dominating either) ... his game is so jump shot happy, there is no way he can produce and impact the game all around long enough to be as good of a playoff and Finals perforer that Wade has become. Kobe always shoots his wad in like meaningless regular season games. He's had some good playoff runs, but he is by no means someone who takes his game to another level in the playoffs. Wade is that guy. Because Wade doesn't settle for jumpers 24/7. It's funny, his best playoff run, and some argue even his best season was 2008. Where he let the game come to him, attacked, and didn't TRY and put up huge scoring numbers all the time.

lol @ old Shaq. Yeah, the guy only put up 20/10 while drawing a huge amount of tremendous attention.

And lol @ the Wade overrating. Kobe has [B]4[/B] post-seasons (2001, 2008, 2009, 2010) as good or better than Wade's best (2006). :facepalm

lol @ prime Wade losing with prime LeBron/Bosh against a one-man team.

Prime Kobe with LeBron/Bosh would have been a championship easily, especially against one of the weakest Finals defenses ever in the 2011 Mavs.

[QUOTE=Jacks3]lol @ prime Wade losing with prime LeBron/Bosh against a one-man team.

Prime Kobe with LeBron/Bosh would have been a championship easily, especially against one of the weakest Finals defenses ever in the 2011 Mavs.[/QUOTE]

1.) The Mavs weren't a one-man team.
2.) There is no such thing as an easy championship.
3.) The Mavs were a great defensive team. Why do you think Lebron sucked so much? A lot of it had to do with the Mavs' stellar defense (and Lebron being afraid of the moment).

[QUOTE=Jacks3]lol @ prime Wade losing with prime LeBron/Bosh against a one-man team.

Prime Kobe with LeBron/Bosh would have been a championship easily, especially against one of the weakest Finals defenses ever in the 2011 Mavs.[/QUOTE]

Lol @ What wade is gonna look like when he loses his first step.

[QUOTE=Heavincent]1.) The Mavs weren't a one-man team.[/QUOTE]
Compared to most champs? They were.
[QUOTE]2.) There is no such thing as an easy championship.[/QUOTE]
You're kidding yourself if you think prime Kobe isn't winning it all with prime LeBron/Bosh...
[QUOTE]3.) The Mavs were a great defensive team. Why do you think Lebron sucked so much? A lot of it had to do with the Mavs' stellar defense (and Lebron being afraid of the moment).[/QUOTE]
No, they weren't "great" defensively at all.

Among the last 20 years, they're among the the worst Finals teams defensively.

On the season they were a solid 8th in DRTG. They were nothing more than solid. LBJ torched MUCH, MUCH better defensive teams in the Bulls Celtics in earlier rounds. His struggles had more to do with his mentality/passiveness than anything the Mavs did.