[QUOTE=cteach111]that's not a travel. im surprised there is so much discussion over this. :eek:[/QUOTE]
Exactly. I fail to see what these goofs are looking at.
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[QUOTE=cteach111]that's not a travel. im surprised there is so much discussion over this. :eek:[/QUOTE]
Exactly. I fail to see what these goofs are looking at.
[QUOTE=cteach111]that's not a travel. im surprised there is so much discussion over this. :eek:[/QUOTE]Apparently you are supposed to jump off your pivot foot even though it's not clearly specified anywhere in the rule book. :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=Phong]Maybe you don't know your left from your right but he plants his left foot as he's picking up his dribble.
[img]http://nsa27.casimages.com/img/2011/06/25/110625033520883266.jpg[/img]
Then make a step with his right towards the baseline.
[img]http://nsa28.casimages.com/img/2011/06/25/110625033626927976.jpg[/img]
Then reverse spin on his left pivot and plant his right.
[img]http://nsa28.casimages.com/img/2011/06/25/110625033730846743.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
:lol who are you trying to fool with those pics?
He picked up the ball way earlier and even in that first pic you can tell that he already picked up the ball before his left foot was planted (yes that foot is actually still in the air).
Nice try.
I'm off to bed as these discussions tend to be pointless anyways.
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[QUOTE=catch24]Where in the rule book does it say that? Lifting your pivot foot meaning on your tippie toes or off the ground? If the former, you're incorrect.[/QUOTE]
lifting your pivot foot as in off the ground. Obviously you're allowed to go on tippie toes
[QUOTE=PistonsFan#21]lifting your pivot foot as in off the ground. Obviously you're allowed to go on tippie toes[/QUOTE]
Right, and where in that gif did Kobe lift his pivot (left foot)?
[QUOTE=Samurai Swoosh]:facepalm[/QUOTE]
It is a travel, though. Without question. It's not part of any "two steps" like you would get with a layup attempt because he declares his left foot his pivot foot but then the left foot leaves the ground before the right foot does. I'm not saying it would be called every time, but it's clearly a travel.
[quote=Samurai Swoosh]The Jordan move ... nicely done. This is one of the few moves I have trouble with. I simply don't have the length to sell it as well as these guys. I can do it with an approaching pick to fake a defender out. But on its own its a difficult move.[/quote]
It works best in isolation when your defender is pressing up on you tight. You can use a lead foot between the defender's legs or to one side of his to get some separation, and then when he recovers to close the distance and press up again, launch right into this move and you'll usually catch them. I used to use it to great effect in my younger days when I was blazing quick. They'd be left facing the other way. :oldlol:
People, that Kobe move is CLEARLY a travel. I've been playing ball my whole life. Once you declare a pivot foot (in this case his left foot), you must make sure that the pivot foot leaves the ground last or at the same time as the other foot - never first. If it does, that counts as a step, which, once you've stopped and established a pivot foot, you can't do.
[QUOTE=OldSchoolBBall]People, that Kobe move is CLEARLY a travel. I've been playing ball my whole life. Once you declare a pivot foot (in this case his left foot), you must make sure that the pivot foot leaves the ground last or at the same time as the other foot - never first. If it does, that counts as a step, which, once you've stopped and established a pivot foot, you can't do.[/QUOTE]
I know the rule, Loki ... I'm just saying it looks to me as if the attack foot and the pivot foot were leaving the ground at the same time. I might be wrong on this one. But I thought it was just deceiving to the eye, given he's rotating as he jumps but if you think its a travel ... I can buy your opinion more so than others in here. It's not bad foot work by any means, though. The pivot moves from Kobe in that Team USA clip and the one on Wilson Chandler aren't travels, though.
[quote=OldSchoolBball]It works best in isolation when your defender is pressing up on you tight. You can use a lead foot between the defender's legs or to one side of his to get some separation, and then when he recovers to close the distance and press up again, launch right into this move and you'll usually catch them. I used to use it to great effect in my younger days when I was blazing quick. They'd be left facing the other way[/quote]
Yea, it works best for me when I use it on a pick. I fake the direction of the pick and go the opposite way. It's a slick move, though. Maybe I just need to work on it more.
Damn, now I feel like playing some ball.
:oldlol:
I actually have a patented footwork move(s) that I do that I've never seen done by anyone (I invented it on the fly one game and then realized how well it worked and just perfected it). I've described it on the forum before, but it's hard to visualize. The options out of the fake also depend on how the defender's weight is shifted on the initial move(s). I've had dozens of people howling on the sidelines when I've busted that one out as the defender is turned the completely wrong way and looking for me in a place I'm not while I'm driving in for a layup. :oldlol:
PS - yeah, it's the fact that the feet don't come up together that make it a travel. He definitely lifts his left foot first, which you can't do.
[QUOTE=OldSchoolBBall]I actually have a patented footwork move(s) that I do that I've never seen done by anyone (I invented it on the fly one game and then realized how well it worked and just perfected it). I've described it on the forum before, but it's hard to visualize. The options out of the fake also depend on how the defender's weight is shifted on the initial move(s). I've had dozens of people howling on the sidelines when I've busted that one out as the defender is turned the completely wrong way and looking for me in a place I'm not while I'm driving in for a layup. :oldlol:
PS - yeah, it's the fact that the feet don't come up together that make it a travel. He definitely lifts his left foot first, which you can't do.[/QUOTE]
Can you do the reverse pivot crossover pull through while staying in place ... the one Jordan did on Starks when he went flying?
[QUOTE=OldSchoolBBall]People, that Kobe move is CLEARLY a travel. I've been playing ball my whole life. Once you declare a pivot foot (in this case his left foot), you must make sure that the pivot foot leaves the ground last or at the same time as the other foot - never first. If it does, that counts as a step, which, once you've stopped and established a pivot foot, you can't do.[/QUOTE]
Looked like both feet were in the air at the same time, but its close. I respect your opinion.
[QUOTE=Samurai Swoosh]Can you do the reverse pivot crossover pull through while staying in place ... the one Jordan did on Starks when he went flying?[/QUOTE]
I'll need more elaboration or a video of this move. Having a hard time visualizing it.
[QUOTE=OldSchoolBBall]I'll need more elaboration or a video of this move. Having a hard time visualizing it.[/QUOTE]
You posted it in a GIF form earlier in this thread ... albeit really shitty quality.
[QUOTE=OldSchoolBBall]People, that Kobe move is CLEARLY a travel. I've been playing ball my whole life. Once you declare a pivot foot (in this case his left foot), you must make sure that the pivot foot leaves the ground last or at the same time as the other foot - never first. If it does, that counts as a step, which, once you've stopped and established a pivot foot, you can't do.[/QUOTE]
I was under the impression that it isnt a travel under the foot comes back down. That is what the rule book says and how I was taught.
edit: that is not a travel. It is the same move that is very prevalent in the women's game. It is only a travel if the pivot comes back down to the ground.