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[QUOTE=tontoz]They don't have to block his shot to force him to miss or prevent a shot. And if the lane gets cut off he isn't going to suddenly become a pg and consistently find an open man.[/QUOTE]
He finds cutting big men on the regular for OKC, but now that he's playing with better big men he wont?
With the way you guys talk about him, I wonder how he gets assists.
[QUOTE=Callystarr]I don't see how 1992 vs. 2012 is even a comparison. From a statistical standpoint its absolutely NO comparison....these are the seasons these men were coming off of...
So lets make some comparisons really the only way that we can, statistics....
Because I sincerely doubt, this team will be beating these international teams by nearly 50 points per game :lol
David Robinson 23.2points - 12.2reb - 2.3stl, 4.5blk, .551FG%
VS.
Kevin Love 26.0points - 13.3reb - .448FG% (pathetic)
***David Robinson is a much better overall player, add on his defensive presence.
Patrick Ewing 24.0points - 11.2reb - 1.0stl, 3.0blk, .522FG%
VS.
Blake Griffin 20.7points - 10.9reb - 3.2ast, .549FG%
***Pretty nice even matchup, Patrick had the edge on the defensive end.
Larry Bird 20.2points - 9.6reb - 6.8ast - .406/3PT
VS.
Lebron James 27.1points - 7.9reb - 6.2ast - 1.9stl - .531FG%
***This is actually a good matchup up of individuals who can work both ends of the floor. Larry the better shooter, and puts up equally impressive overall stats. What is crazy, is Larry put those stats up in his FINAL year in the NBA. I doubt that many players will be able to put up stats like that after 12 plus years...
Scottie Pippen 21.0points - 7.7reb - 7.0ast - 1.9stl
VS.
James Harden 16.8points - 4.1reb - 3.7ast
***HAHA joking right? Scottie in a landslide...
Michael Jordan 30.1points - 6.4reb - 6.1ast - 2.3stl, .519FG%
VS.
Kobe Bryant 27.9points - 5.4reb - 4.6ast - 1.2stl, .430FG% (Pathetic)
***No comparison, Kobe's shooting percentage is below the NBA average..
Clyde Drexler 25.0points - 6.6reb - 6.7ast - 1.8stl
vs.
Kevin Durant 28.0points - 8.0reb - 3.5ast - 1.3stl
***Kevin Durant, solid player...he is going into his own.
Karl Malone 28.0points - 11.2reb - 1.3stl - .526FG%
VS.
Tyson Chandler 11.3points - 9.0reb - .679FG%
***Mailman takes this one easy
John Stockton 15.8points - 13.7ast - 3.0stl - .407/3PT
VS
Deron Williams 21.0points - 8.7ast - 1.2stl - .407FG% (pathetic)
***Deron could never live up to Stockton's presence, even when in Utah...turnover city!
Chris Mullin 25.6points - 5.6reb - 2.1stl - .524FG%
VS.
Carmello Anthony 22.6points - 6.3ast - .430FG% (pathetic)
***Chris Mullin, in his prime was a better shooting version of Scottie Pippen, without the athleticism. The man could flat out shoot....
Charles Barkley 23.1points - 11.1reb - 4.1ast - 1.8stl - .552FG%
VS.
Andre Igoudala 12.4points - 6.1reb - 5.5ast - 1.7stl
***LAUGHS AGAIN!!!!!
Magic Johnson - 19.4points - 7.0reb - 12.5ast
VS.
Chris Paul - 19.8points - 9.1ast - 2.5stl
***again no comment
Russell Westbrook - 23.6points - 4.6reb - 5.6ast - 1.7stl
VS.
Christean Laettner
***well finally this years team wins...
Jordan had it right on the money, basketball back then folks had a higher IQ. Today's game is full of individuals forcing shots and settling for 3pointers....1992 Dream Team would smash any other US Olympic team ever assembled. HANDS DOWN!!!![/QUOTE]
did you just said ewing & blake is nice even match up? and has an 'edge' on defensive end? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
that's the funniest thing i've ever heard!!! blake couldn't do a damn thing about 50 year old tim duncan!!!!
ewing would make blake cry like a little baby! i mean we are talking about 29 year old ewing here!! what's going on in this board! ewing was a filthy animal!!
[QUOTE=RaininTwos]MJ is wrong and he knows it. I would love to see these teams play a series against each other. Kobe and MJ would really be the best match up ever.[/QUOTE]
Prime Jordan vs 2012 Kobe? Best match up ever? MJ would murder Kobe.
[QUOTE=guy]:oldlol: Thats your argument? Why don't you actually say what Kobe is better at instead of dismissing it as impossible, which it isn't.[/QUOTE]
Kobe is a better shooter, better off ball defender and just as good in one on one situations, plus his post game is all time nasty.
[QUOTE=GOBB]There is a gap between 29yr old MJ and 34yr old Kobe. Dream Team was full of cerebral players where the competition level was unreal. And documented. Todays players are more friendly with one another. Who complained about hard fouls on the Dream Team? I know some cried over D.Cousins hard fouling.
The size of the Dream Team trumps them so much. Come down the lane Bron.[/QUOTE]
Exactly!!!!!
Lebron isn't coming down the lane with Patrick and David in the lane at any given time.
[QUOTE=Take Your Lumps]Gotta side with MJ on this one but not necessarily based on pure talent and athleticism.
Players today are just mentally softer. Too many mental giants on that '92 squad.[/QUOTE]
This is just one of many responses in this thread solely going off the 'old man mentality'. It's like you cant beat your dad up even when you grow bigger than him..
except these are all grown men were talking about and aint nobody anybodys daddy.
[QUOTE=eliteballer]You guys are complete morons. Jordans own teamates and coaches say Kobe is comparable/close to Jordan. Yet you act like Jordan is going against some D-Leaguer.[/QUOTE]
To be within 10% of Jordan in terms of impact prime vs. prime doesn't make you a D-Leaguer, it makes you one of the best players of all time. It just doesn't make you Jordan.
[QUOTE=RaininTwos]Kobe is a better shooter, better off ball defender and just as good in one on one situations, plus his post game is all time nasty.[/QUOTE]
Kobe is the better man defender, not help defender, and Kobe is better in the post and in pure 1v1 situations like you said.
[QUOTE=SilkkTheShocker][B]I don't think the gap between Jordan/Kobe is as big as some believe[/B]. But at the same time, there is a gap. Kobe is a beast, 2nd best SG ever. But Jordan was the lead-dog for every team he played on in the NBA. Kobe was a sidekick for like 8 seasons.[/QUOTE]
People constantly overdue it to extremes.
Some act as if Jordan is a god and Kobe is just barely better than Joe Johnson. Others act as if Kobe is equal to MJ or just slightly under him.
The truth is, there is quite a gap, but not to some untouchable mythical degree.
If Jordan is a perfect 10, Kobe is like an 8.5 or a 9.
If it wasn't for Patrick Ewing and David Robinson, 2012 might have a chance.
[QUOTE=RaininTwos]Kobe is a better shooter, better off ball defender and just as good in one on one situations, plus his post game is all time nasty.[/QUOTE]
:biggums:
you do know kobe shot .43%, right? 40 year old MJ shot .445%!!!!!
and i'm not even gonna comment on 'better off ball defender' nonsense.
1 on 1 situation? lol :coleman:
post game is all time nasty? that's it. i've heard enough!!
[QUOTE=Rake2204]To be fair, oftentimes actual blocked shots are just a small part of what makes having a Hall of Fame center in the middle so effective. Even from my lame basketball playing history of going against relatively unathletic 6'9'' guys, sometimes just having them there is enough to at least make a player think twice about both when they're going to choose to attack and how they're going to attack.
For instance, if Joel Anthony was waiting in the paint for Westbrook, I think a relentless attack would be at the forefront of Russell's mind. However, placing a 7'1'' Patrick Ewing or David Robinson back there (big men who actually had significant skills) would surely have to alter how Westbrook was going to attack. If he attempted to challenge those two just as he would a 6'9'' scrub, I feel as though his wild shot attempts would spike significantly. That's not to say he'd be shut down 100% of the time, but it's just not as simple as "Westbrook blow by Stockton, Westbrook dunk, get fouled, or get blocked". The big thing missing is, "Westbrook must pull up, change shot, retain dribble and escape elsewhere, or force bad shot into contact." Elite big man effects go well beyond block or foul.[/QUOTE]
It can't be both ways. You guys cant paint the picture of Westbrook being a me first, shoot everything, drive no matter what PG and then turn around and say that he'll be afraid of D-Rob and Ewing. This is basketball and he's an athletic freak, he isn't afraid of any big man. They will alter some shots but lets be real, they will also foul, get caught in between two guys with no help and maybe even embarrassed.
Westbrook has never been timid or not aggressive. His decision making is suspect at times, but that's about it. He will find people and can destroy a defense with his penetration.
[QUOTE=RaininTwos]Bolded= trolling. There is no way that Jordan is better in every facet of the damn game in comparison to Kobe.[/quote]
Where did I say that? Kobe is a better 3 point shooter and has better isolation handles simply due to his generation's upbringing (i.e., Jordan would have similar handles if he was born in '79-'82), though Jordan had better functional handles in a game setting for various reason. That's about it for Kobe, yeah. Everything else is Jordan, in many cases by a significant margin (off the ball play, rebounding, and bball IQ in particular).
[QUOTE=RaininTwos]Westbrook, the most athletic PG ever, would do some unspeakable things to Magic and Stock.[/QUOTE]
You clearly didn't watch John Stockton in his prime...
1989-1992 The man led the league in assists and steals.....he had quickness, he played the passing lanes better than anyone in the NBA....
Against Westbrooks sloppy arse he would have averaged 10 steals a game....:lol
[QUOTE=tpols]Kobe is the better man defender, not help defender, and Kobe is better in the post and in pure 1v1 situations like you said.[/QUOTE]
off ball isnt help defense in my book. I meant like denying the ball from perimeter players and such.