Wade's Historical Rank Among SGs

[QUOTE=red1]You are seriously underrating lebron. Lebron >>> west or baylor. That miami team was struggling at the start of the season because the coaches couldn't decide who should handle the ball more since lbj/wade are clones. They ended up taking turns going ISO, if lebron is paired with those guys then he instantly becomes the #1 option on the team and does whatever the f*ck he wants with the ball.[/QUOTE]

LeBron > Wade too, but I'm saying that West could certainly be considered 1b, that's what I was trying to get at.

I also forgot to mention that West was 1b to Wilt Chamberlain in later career too. LeBron vs Wilt more comparable ?

And they still struggle today because of LeBron and Wade playing similar.

[QUOTE=kNicKz]SUREEEE wade is better than pistol was

:facepalm :rolleyes: :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

You're trying way to hard.

More like :oldlol: @ Pistol Pete being in the same conversation as Wade.

[QUOTE=kNicKz]Wade over Gervin, Iverson, Havlicek?!?!?[/QUOTE]

Yup. Perhaps not Hondo because of his team success and he played longer, but I could certainly see that.

[QUOTE=kNicKz]Apparently he's already the third greatest shooting guard of ALL TIME

:roll: :roll:[/QUOTE]

Maybe he won't be the 3rd greatest, but nothing wrong with being 4th either.

[QUOTE=EnoughSaid]I just get so ****ing mad when thinking back to the 2011 Finals. Wade would be a Top 20 player right now, 3rd greatest SG, and people wouldn't be able to say shit. I just hope he can get on fire in the Playoffs one of these years and pull one out.[/QUOTE]

You do realize if we are playing the "what if ?" game...

West could have won more rings if Wilt Chamberlain, Elgin Baylor, and other key players made big shots or contributed better in certain finals. And he would certainly would get more praise for being a Top 2 SG and people wouldn't be able to say shit either, right ? :confusedshrug:

So, what ever did happen in the past happened, but the main thing is to keep track of level of play FIRST and Wade played very well.

[QUOTE=Money 23]LMAO @ Gervin, Pistol Pete, and especially Havlicek being better players[/QUOTE]

Why especially Hondo ?

Hondo > Gervin > Pete, all-time.

[QUOTE=Money 23]George Gervin and Pistol Pete were Gilbert Arenas caliber players.

Amazing volume shooters / scorers, did little else, certainly played no defense and were stat padding losers (Gervin specifically)[/QUOTE]

Pete was a great passer too, though. Infact, I believe that was his best attribute.

[QUOTE=onhcetum]Lol'd @ "hard time putting him over jerry west"

Unless you are at least 50 years old (which I highly doubt you are), shut the **** up. How could u ever make a comparison one way or the other if u didn't even see the other guy play. Stats could only tell so much.[/QUOTE]

What do statements like this even mean ?

It's all relative to era. Do I discredit Wilt Chamberlain, Bill Russell, and all the legends from the 50's and so on because "I didn't watch them play" and just totally disregard what they did in the league and how they changed the game ?

Jerry West deserves the respect of his peers, fans, and what he did for the game. He's the logo for a reason.

Havlicek is a SF.

He's #26.

[QUOTE=Whoah10115]Havlicek is a SF.[/QUOTE]

I think he was talking about all-time ranking in general, not just SG ranking.

[QUOTE=Whoah10115]Havlicek is a SF.[/QUOTE]

Hondo was a swing man, played a lot of games at what today would be called the 2. There wasn't really a shooting guard like it's called today, and there wasn't a point guard either. Not by the names. Today those guards would be called combo guards.

Point guard was a name used in college for a long time before anybody started using that in the pros, and it's false to say the name started with Magic Johnson, as I have seen around on boards. People were using that name around the NBA as early as maybe '75 or '77. No question that it really caught on with Magic though, maybe you could say he popularized it.

But anyhow, Havlicek was a swing man by any name of any era. He played a lot of frontcourt and he played a lot of backcourt.

In many ways, today's NBA is based on the John Havlicek model of player, more than any other single player, except maybe the sort of "cult of the next Mike Jordan" that's out there. Not because Havlicek is necessarily a guy the players or the fans respect or emulate or even heard of, but because that's the most effective way to play basketball. And the coaches and GMs all know it and look for that type of player.

[QUOTE=Whoah10115]Havlicek is a SF.[/QUOTE]

Gervin too...

[QUOTE=fpliii]Gervin too...[/QUOTE]



I've wondered about this...but looking at that Spurs roster, it seems he played a lot more at SG than he did at SF.


[QUOTE=Legends66NBA7]I think he was talking about all-time ranking in general, not just SG ranking.[/QUOTE]


:hammerhead:

[QUOTE=La Frescobaldi]Hondo was a swing man, played a lot of games at what today would be called the 2. There wasn't really a shooting guard like it's called today, and there wasn't a point guard either. Not by the names. Today those guards would be called combo guards.

Point guard was a name used in college for a long time before anybody started using that in the pros, and it's false to say the name started with Magic Johnson, as I have seen around on boards. People were using that name around the NBA as early as maybe '75 or '77. No question that it really caught on with Magic though, maybe you could say he popularized it.

But anyhow, Havlicek was a swing man by any name of any era. He played a lot of frontcourt and he played a lot of backcourt.

In many ways, today's NBA is based on the John Havlicek model of player, more than any other single player, except maybe the sort of "cult of the next Mike Jordan" that's out there. Not because Havlicek is necessarily a guy the players or the fans respect or emulate or even heard of, but because that's the most effective way to play basketball. And the coaches and GMs all know it and look for that type of player.[/QUOTE]



I did not know that about the PG position. I know guys were often referred to as lead guards but I didn't know the name had caught on so late.


Interesting on Havlicek. I've heard this before, him as a swingman. From what I've seen, I'd certainly consider him a SF tho. But about him being, essentially, the model for the prototypical swingman or wing player..that's certainly interesting.

[QUOTE=Whoah10115]I've wondered about this...but looking at that Spurs roster, it seems he played a lot more at SG than he did at SF.





:hammerhead:[/QUOTE]

Not sure that I agree, but I suppose that's a defensible position. Then again, there really hasn't been much differentiation between the two wing positions in quite some time (since the 50s/60s, when teams would typically line up one offensive player and one defensive player at each of G/F), so I guess the distinction's not terribly important.

[QUOTE=fpliii]Not sure that I agree, but I suppose that's a defensible position. Then again, there really hasn't been much differentiation between the two wing positions in quite some time (since the 50s/60s, when teams would typically line up one offensive player and one defensive player at each of G/F), so I guess the distinction's not terribly important.[/QUOTE]



It's not always hugely important, but I certainly there is a difference. I think someone like Thabo could play SF just fine, as he doesn't do much off screens or anything. He's obviously not a scorer and tho his handles don't suck he doesn't create anything. He can just run to a corner and spot up and he'll guard 1-3, depending on where the best player is. He could do what Bowen did, but I think Bowen was a terrible fit at SG, as there was no spacing there or a partner for Parker.


Hell, look how Iguodala looks playing the 2 so far...that's not the only thing wrong with him, but I think I don't think it helps.

[QUOTE=kNicKz]SUREEEE wade is better than pistol was

:facepalm :rolleyes: :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Did people miss this? How can you take this retard seriously :facepalm


Has to still be butthurt from the way wade would rape them the past decade.

[QUOTE=Pacers4ever]Did people miss this? How can you take this retard seriously :facepalm[/QUOTE]

I responded on the first post, this page. Can't let shit like that slide by, even if it was trolling. But after reading this whole thread, I really don't think that guy is trolling rather it's baffling how much he's disrespecting Wade by think Pete freaking Maravich is in the same breath.

So no, I don't think anybody will take him seriously with some of the comments he made in this thread.

:oldlol:

Insidehoops: Where it's an accepted belief that pistol pete= gilbert arenas

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Pistol Pete? :oldlol: Other than stat-padding, what did he ever accomplished in the playoffs?

He was the original T-Mac; 4 playoff appearances (three 1st round exit when he was a star, 2nd Round exit when he was a benchwarmer)

EDIT: ...the guy has a T-Mac avatar too. LMAO.

[QUOTE=Legends66NBA7]I responded on the first post, this page. Can't let shit like that slide by, even if it was trolling. But after reading this whole thread, I really don't think that guy is trolling rather it's baffling how much he's disrespecting Wade by think Pete freaking Maravich is in the same breath.

So no, I don't think anybody will take him seriously with some of the comments he made in this thread.

:oldlol:[/QUOTE]
I think him being knicks fans and the post I've read in the past he's pretty much in general a heat hater, which makes sense if you take that rivalry seriously.


But when hate ****s up your logic into thinking pete > wade then it is time to pop them pills.